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Post by amfox1 on Sept 1, 2013 9:18:47 GMT -5
to make room for Quintin Berry on the 40-man roster and on the major league roster. Lavarnway, De La Rosa and Snyder (activated from DL) also called up.
There are 30 men on the major league roster as of now.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 1, 2013 9:35:04 GMT -5
Too bad ... I'd say the odds of him getting claimed are north of 90%. Some team with fluff on the 40-man will take him since he has an option remaining. Good luck to him, seems like a good guy.
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Post by ikonos on Sept 1, 2013 10:12:21 GMT -5
Is it more likely that no one claims him today as every one is trying to get their roster call up's on to 40-man? I hope he stays with Sox.
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Post by wcp3 on Sept 1, 2013 10:23:21 GMT -5
I'm obviously rooting for Bard, but there's a pretty good chance his baseball career is over. Hopefully he proves me wrong.
As has been mentioned on this board, though, Bard is a really bright dude. He'll have a successful future, whether that's as a baseball player or not.
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Post by ikonos on Sept 1, 2013 10:32:56 GMT -5
I'm obviously rooting for Bard, but there's a pretty good chance his baseball career is over. Hopefully he proves me wrong. As has been mentioned on this board, though, Bard is a really bright dude. He'll have a successful future, whether that's as a baseball player or not. Might be a little too early for that. Such pitchers change couple of organizations before getting better again.
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 1, 2013 10:41:07 GMT -5
Good for us and good for him. A new team is exactly what he needs. And we can't keep throwing him out there letting him do these....well unless he is at Greenville with all the rest of our meh prospects
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Post by larrycook on Sept 1, 2013 10:45:20 GMT -5
I wish him the best. Kind of hoping he winds up in Cleveland where maybe tito can work some magic on him.
The Cards have a lot of good instructors in their minor league system,maybe one of them can fix his mechanics.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 1, 2013 11:39:35 GMT -5
I wish him the best. Kind of hoping he winds up in Cleveland where maybe tito can work some magic on him. The Cards have a lot of good instructors in their minor league system,maybe one of them can fix his mechanics. The Padres have Mike Cather, the guy who fixed Bard the first time, as their roving pitching coordinator.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2013 11:55:46 GMT -5
I wish him the best. I feel bad for him because his MLB career was basically ruined by an attempt to become a starter. I hope that he can figure it out, either here, or somewhere else.
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Post by jimoh on Sept 1, 2013 12:36:01 GMT -5
I wish him the best. I feel bad for him because his MLB career was basically ruined by an attempt to become a starter. I hope that he can figure it out, either here, or somewhere else. Daniel Bard Sep 7 to Sep 28, 2011: 9g W-L:0-4, BSv:2, 8.2ip 9h 12er ****9bb 8k ERA***12.46 BABIP .346
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Post by wcsoxfan on Sept 1, 2013 12:50:02 GMT -5
Daniel Bard Sep 7 to Sep 28, 2011: 9g W-L:0-4, BSv:2, 8.2ip 9h 12er ****9bb 8k ERA***12.46 BABIP .346 Agreed. He was broken before they attempted to convert him into a starter - which makes that decision even MORE stupid (that and his dreadful control in the minors as a starter).
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 1, 2013 13:36:45 GMT -5
I wish him the best. Kind of hoping he winds up in Cleveland where maybe tito can work some magic on him. The Cards have a lot of good instructors in their minor league system,maybe one of them can fix his mechanics. The Padres have Mike Cather, the guy who fixed Bard the first time, as their roving pitching coordinator. Great point. Would be a nice landing spot for him.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 1, 2013 13:40:02 GMT -5
Daniel Bard Sep 7 to Sep 28, 2011: 9g W-L:0-4, BSv:2, 8.2ip 9h 12er ****9bb 8k ERA***12.46 BABIP .346 Agreed. He was broken before they attempted to convert him into a starter - which makes that decision even MORE stupid (that and his dreadful control in the minors as a starter). We can argue whether Bard's move to the rotation broke him or merely compounded problems that had become evident the previous season, but either way, trying to convert him into a starter was an indefensibly stupid move.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 1, 2013 14:04:00 GMT -5
The rehashing of the wisdom of the move to starter is one thing, but the more interesting/important question raised by the fact that he lost it in September the year before is ... why? Why did Daniel Bard suddenly go south? This isn't a fringe guy who dropped off the radar but possibly the most dominant set-up man in the game who just lost it. Is it just psychological/confidence? That's the pat answer, but it just leads to pablum like "getting him back on track" and "getting his confidence back" and other meaningless phrases ...
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Post by pedroelgrande on Sept 1, 2013 14:05:40 GMT -5
He probably signs with the Rays and become good again.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 1, 2013 19:04:28 GMT -5
He probably signs with the Rays and become good again. Hummph... you would bring up that possibility.
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Post by sammo420 on Sept 1, 2013 19:12:22 GMT -5
He probably signs with the Rays and become good again. Hummph... you would bring up that possibility. Hey, I thought of it too, I just didn't say anything this time.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 1, 2013 20:14:58 GMT -5
Or he'll go to the White Sox and actually become a starter, as Don Cooper seems to be able to transform anything with four working limbs into a league-average starter.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 1, 2013 22:07:44 GMT -5
Or he'll continue to be unable to throw strikes at all. At this point I doubt he could throw strikes in a high school game.
Sometimes pitchers break and that's all there is, especially a guy like Bard. He cannot throw strikes. Period. And when he's missing he's missing by miles as the HBP and WP indicate.
I'd say he's in the same class as Steve Blass, Kevin Saucier, Joe Cowley, Rick Ankiel, Mark Wohlers...guys who for whatever reason totally lose whatever ability they have to throw strikes - and they never come back.
It's sad. I'll remember Bard fondly - circa 2010, but the Bard I knew left in September 2011 and contributed greatly to the Sox September 2011 collapse - as a reliever.
I honestly don't think it matters if he was converted to a starter or not. If he had remained in the pen in 2012, I have no doubt we'd still be witnessing the same thing.
It's too bad - because Daniel Bard version 2010 is exactly what the 2013 team needs more than anything - a dominant setup guy to help out Tazawa so the Sox don't have to mix and match in the 8th inning.
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Post by bluechip on Sept 2, 2013 1:03:22 GMT -5
It's always a shame when a dominant pitcher just loses it. Good luck, I expect he will find a home in a different organization.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 2, 2013 2:02:02 GMT -5
I don't think they'd DFA him if they thought he'd be claimed on waivers. Any claiming team would be non-tendering him in a couple of months, so there would be only a small point to it: a way of expressing long-term interest in him, as a way of persuading him to sign a minor league deal there instead of here. I wonder if there's a gentleman's agreement not to do that, as there apparently is for not claiming guys on optional assignment waivers who have earned their option through ineffectiveness.
And I wonder how many teams have come to the same conclusion I have, that a still-unadressed physical injury must have preceded the Blass Disease. (His fastball movement by seasons: 12.0, 11.3, 8.0, 7.0, 5.9.) That would further deter a claim.
OTOH, if some team were so convinced they could fix his psyche and mechanics and steal him from us that they were willing to tender him a contract, you would certainly negotiate a minor trade. That seems very unlikely, though.
They are talking like they expect him to clear waivers and continue his career in our minors.
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Post by Gwell55 on Sept 2, 2013 19:40:38 GMT -5
He probably signs with the Rays and become good again. Right I'm sure the rays are going to arbitration with him and offer him 1.5 million plus the 250,000 to end this year.
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Post by amfox1 on Sept 4, 2013 12:43:58 GMT -5
They are talking like they expect him to clear waivers and continue his career in our minors. Nope. Claimed by CHC (and probably a half dozen other clubs).
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Post by ikonos on Sept 4, 2013 12:53:50 GMT -5
Nope. Claimed by CHC (and probably a half dozen other clubs). I hope Sox will workout a trade with Cubs instead of letting him go for nothing.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 4, 2013 12:57:18 GMT -5
They are talking like they expect him to clear waivers and continue his career in our minors. Nope. Claimed by CHC (and probably a half dozen other clubs). Don't understand all the "probably become good again" stuff here, like it's a bad thing, cause I really hope he can regain his old self and think he will once he changes organizations and gets a chance to clear his head, return to his original mechanics if he will. Good luck to him and ALL UNC players. Shame both he and Miller couldn't form the tandem was envisioning when Miller came over and got "fixed" that had dreamed of while Miller was floundering with the Marlins.
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