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9/10-9/12 Red Sox @ Rays Series Thread
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Sept 9, 2013 6:41:57 GMT -5
9/10 Red Sox (RHP Clay Buchholz 9-0 1.71) @ Rays (LHP David Price 8-7 3.51) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/MLBN/WEEI9/11 Red Sox (RHP Ryan Dempster 8-9 4.79) @ Rays (RHP Alex Cobb 8-3 2.99) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/ESPN/WEEI9/12 Red Sox (RHP Jake Peavy 11-5 4.01) @ Rays (RHP Jeremy Hellickson 11-8 5.04) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/MLBN/WEEIMLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsWeatherSeries Thread Disclaimer: The SoxProspects Moderators will be somewhat liberal in policing the Red Sox "Series" Threads. Some of the Ground Rules are applied loosely in here, as we understand that there is a tendency to want to react (or overreact) to every play of a Sox game with one line reactionary posts. Those posts are okay in the Red Sox Series threads to a point - we certainly appreciate the passion. Just try not to overdo it, and try to maintain some semblance of reason. In addition, please don't let those type of posts spill over to other more substantive threads, where they may be deleted. -The Management
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Post by Guidas on Sept 9, 2013 8:11:59 GMT -5
Win one, steal one.
(or steal three and knock Clearwater out of the Wild Card race).
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 9, 2013 8:36:05 GMT -5
Game two makes me nervous. I like our chances in the other two games but there is a serious mismatch there on the road.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 9, 2013 9:19:50 GMT -5
Since coming off the DL in early July, Price has a 2.52 ERA, .229 opponents batting average, and 0.934 WHIP. He has 73 strikeouts and eight walks in 96 1/3. For the season, he has the lowest BB/9 rate in the AL (.002 higher than Wainwright for the lowest in the majors).
I know it's a rough matchup for a rookie, but I'd like to see Bogaerts get the start tomorrow. Drew was 0 for 7 with 3 strikouts in his two starts against Price, and he looked really bad doing it. Getting Xander a start against a stud like Price doesn't really hurt their chances of winning that game, and it gives him an idea of what a frontline lefty looks like going into the offseason.
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Post by station13 on Sept 9, 2013 9:27:54 GMT -5
This is a playoff type game preview. Farrell has to push the right buttons. Match up (Drew sit). And no matter what no Matt Thornton please.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 9, 2013 9:28:10 GMT -5
It's kind of odd that they are starting Price Tues with no extra rest because of the off day today, instead of Weds which would be his regular spot in the rotation (Tues should be Hellboy's throw day). That puts Price on schedule to face the Twinkies on the weekend and miss their 4 game set with Texas, which, unless they believe they can win the division, may be very important to them. One would think any of their pitchers can handle Minn., and Price going Weds would still have him facing the Sox. Just odd.
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Post by bluechip on Sept 9, 2013 9:31:01 GMT -5
Since coming off the DL in early July, Price has a 2.52 ERA, .229 opponents batting average, and 0.934 WHIP. He has 73 strikeouts and eight walks in 96 1/3. For the season, he has the lowest BB/9 rate in the AL (.002 higher than Wainwright for the lowest in the majors). I know it's a rough matchup for a rookie, but I'd like to see Bogaerts get the start tomorrow. Drew was 0 for 7 with 3 strikouts in his two starts against Price, and he looked really bad doing it. Getting Xander a start against a stud like Price doesn't really hurt their chances of winning that game, and it gives him an idea of what a frontline lefty looks like going into the offseason. That's the exact kind of match up I want to see Bogaerts get. Xander needs to get experience against this guy sooner or later. |
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 9, 2013 9:33:51 GMT -5
Price gets game one of the Baltimore series instead, which is a much bigger matchup for the Rays. Realistically, they're not competing with the loser of Oakland/Texas. If the Rays can catch one of those teams they're in great shape. They're fighting off Baltimore/New York/Cleveland.
EDIT: I know that it rarely works out lining up the pitching staff this far in advance, but it also sets up Price to pitch the wild card game or a potential one-game playoff, and would enable him to pitch the season finale on short rest if that were necessary.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Sept 9, 2013 9:53:56 GMT -5
Heck, I'd be happy to take 1/3 here. We're 7 1/2 up on these guys. Have the tie-breaker. I kind of want them to make it if Cleveland doesn't and keep the MFY's out of it. I would rather enjoy seeing the team with the highest single season payroll in the history of baseball miss the playoffs.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 9, 2013 11:07:02 GMT -5
Bogaerts should be starting against all lefties unless Drew has a nice track record against a particular starter.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 9, 2013 11:08:55 GMT -5
Bogaerts should be starting against all lefties unless Drew has a nice track record against a particular starter. Completely agree, though I like Drew better than most here. |
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Post by Guidas on Sept 9, 2013 11:38:08 GMT -5
Price gets game one of the Baltimore series instead, which is a much bigger matchup for the Rays. Realistically, they're not competing with the loser of Oakland/Texas. If the Rays can catch one of those teams they're in great shape. They're fighting off Baltimore/New York/Cleveland. EDIT: I know that it rarely works out lining up the pitching staff this far in advance, but it also sets up Price to pitch the wild card game or a potential one-game playoff, and would enable him to pitch the season finale on short rest if that were necessary. He'd get game 2 vs. Os otherwise but I get your points. I agree, lining guys up this far out doesn't always work out. |
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 9, 2013 12:14:50 GMT -5
I want the Rays to lose most of all because I want no part of that pitching staff in the playoffs. They aren't a great team overall, but that pitching staff could get hot and run just about anyone out of a series ... so I want the Sox to win as many as possible here. But, realistically, as long as they don't get swept, they're fine. Even if they do, they still will likely be fine.
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Post by ramireja on Sept 9, 2013 12:30:02 GMT -5
I want the Rays to lose most of all because I want no part of that pitching staff in the playoffs. They aren't a great team overall, but that pitching staff could get hot and run just about anyone out of a series ... so I want the Sox to win as many as possible here. But, realistically, as long as they don't get swept, they're fine. Even if they do, they still will likely be fine. Agreed....although I'd absolutely love if the Yanks miss the playoffs....I'd much rather face them than the combination of Price, Moore, Cobb, and Archer in the playoffs. |
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Post by okin15 on Sept 9, 2013 12:43:24 GMT -5
But, realistically, as long as they don't get swept, they're fine. Even if they do, they still will likely be fine. Can everyone remember this in three days please? I want us to win the division first, but a very close second is watching the MFY miss the post-season. It's just too much fun to watch them lose. |
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Post by jmei on Sept 9, 2013 12:45:59 GMT -5
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Post by mantush on Sept 9, 2013 12:47:46 GMT -5
I'm going to try and make it to tomorrow's game.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 9, 2013 13:04:48 GMT -5
I'm still not comfortable with this lead until the Rays and Yankees series are over... I'd like to win 3 of these next 6 at least.
I remember I was living in Latin America in 2011... Didn't have access to the games and I remember looking at the gamecast wondering what the hell was going on every night...
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Post by Guidas on Sept 9, 2013 14:45:24 GMT -5
This. I am never comfortable until Sox are up 5 with 4 to play.
And I agree with ramireja about Tampa's staff. That is a rotation built for 5 and 7 game series. If Texas gets the WC playoff they presumably have to use Darvish in the playoff, which means you only see him once in a 5 game series. If Tampa gets in they use Price and still have Moore, Cobb, Archer and Hellboy to use.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 9, 2013 18:36:30 GMT -5
I'm going to try and make it to tomorrow's game. Ladies and gentlemen, St. Petersburg! Where you can decide a couple minutes before the game that you'd like to buy a bleacher ticket and sit in the first section of seats (Section 23 is the spot my fiancee's family always moves to, iirc). |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 9, 2013 18:44:31 GMT -5
Price gets game one of the Baltimore series instead, which is a much bigger matchup for the Rays. Realistically, they're not competing with the loser of Oakland/Texas. If the Rays can catch one of those teams they're in great shape. They're fighting off Baltimore/New York/Cleveland. EDIT: I know that it rarely works out lining up the pitching staff this far in advance, but it also sets up Price to pitch the wild card game or a potential one-game playoff, and would enable him to pitch the season finale on short rest if that were necessary. He'd get game 2 vs. Os otherwise but I get your points. I agree, lining guys up this far out doesn't always work out. He'd have been able to start the WC game regardless - there are two days between their season finale on 9/29 and the WC game on 10/2. I think it's just getting their best guy out there asap and having him potentially available on short rest, like James said. Probably just a matter of throw your best pitcher as often as possible. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 9, 2013 21:02:09 GMT -5
I'd be ok with 1 out of 3 although obviously I prefer they do better. I think the pitching matchups favor Tampa the first two games and Boston the last game, but I'd be a little nervous if Tampa took the first two and the pressure was on the Sox to win the last game.
I don't know how far Buchholz will go tomorrow or even how effective he'll be or if the guys coming in the 5th or 6th inning to relieve him will be effective. Price has been dominating against the Sox this year.
Cobb is a good pitcher and Dempster is Dempster, but I definitely like the Sox' chances in the Peavy/Hellickson matchup.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 9, 2013 21:22:11 GMT -5
I'm honestly a bit surprised they're throwing Dempster out there against the Rays on the road. He's been pretty bad for a while now.
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 9, 2013 21:28:30 GMT -5
I'm honestly a bit surprised they're throwing Dempster out there against the Rays on the road. He's been pretty bad for a while now. I can give you your answer in three words: SEVEN DOT FIVE. |
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Post by Guidas on Sept 10, 2013 11:00:34 GMT -5
I'd be ok with 1 out of 3 although obviously I prefer they do better. I think the pitching matchups favor Tampa the first two games and Boston the last game, but I'd be a little nervous if Tampa took the first two and the pressure was on the Sox to win the last game. I don't know how far Buchholz will go tomorrow or even how effective he'll be or if the guys coming in the 5th or 6th inning to relieve him will be effective. Price has been dominating against the Sox this year. Cobb is a good pitcher and Dempster is Dempster, but I definitely like the Sox' chances in the Peavy/Hellickson matchup. Agree here. this could get uncomfortable fast. Tampa has not been a good match-up for the Sox since Price came back and Myers got settled in. A lot of people - media foremost - seeming to forget this. Not saying a 4.5 game lead with 13 to go would be a bad thing, just saying nothing's a lock with this schedule, which has 6 vs. Orioles (who have given the Sox a hell of a time), and 3 with Toronto, or do we forget they took 2 of 3 from the Sox about 20 days ago? Races get close, some humans get hungry, some get tight. And BBIP can be a wonderful or awful thing. Nothing is over until it's done. Yours still permanently scarred and damaged from 1978, 2006, and 2011, Guidas |
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