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9/13-9/15 Red Sox vs. Yankees Series
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Sept 13, 2013 9:12:54 GMT -5
9/13 Red Sox (RHP John Lackey 9-12 3.48) vs. Yankees (RHP Hiroki Kuroda 11-10 2.99) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/MLBN/WEEI9/14 Red Sox (LHP Jon Lester 13-8 3.86) vs. Yankees (LHP CC Sabathia 13-12 4.82) 1:05 pm ET, FOX/WEEI9/15 Red Sox (RHP Clay Buchholz 10-0 1.61) vs. Yankees (RHP Ivan Nova 8-4 3.17) 8:05 pm ET, ESPN/WEEIMLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsWeatherSeries Thread Disclaimer: The SoxProspects Moderators will be somewhat liberal in policing the Red Sox "Series" Threads. Some of the Ground Rules are applied loosely in here, as we understand that there is a tendency to want to react (or overreact) to every play of a Sox game with one line reactionary posts. Those posts are okay in the Red Sox Series threads to a point - we certainly appreciate the passion. Just try not to overdo it, and try to maintain some semblance of reason. In addition, please don't let those type of posts spill over to other more substantive threads, where they may be deleted. -The Management
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Sept 13, 2013 10:07:29 GMT -5
The Yankees won two games of their last 5 games on wild pitches. It's disgusting watching A-Rod pimping around helping them battle for the playoffs. He's going to win his appeal and get either 50 or 100 games as a 1st or 2nd offender. Selig should have just suspended him for the rest of this year. Sounds like he'd have accepted that. Pound these bums.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 13, 2013 10:20:19 GMT -5
Correct me if i'm wrong, but as long as A-rod doesn't get suspended for all of next season, his contracr is still on the books for the Yankees, as far as luxury tax purposes go?
Also I was thinking the other day of how Dempster kind of reminds me of Wakefield... High ERA, good clubhouse guy, innings eater, might not make the playoff roster, team still wins a lot when he pitches, he can be really good sometimes or really bad sometimes, etc. I know he's not a knuckle baller but still.
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Post by jmei on Sept 13, 2013 10:33:13 GMT -5
Re: luxury tax, I think his contract would only count for the pro-rated portion where he's not suspended, but I could be wrong. Dempster is what he is: a #5 pitcher who gives you innings and usually doesn't poop the bed too fast. Say what you want about his slew of starts where he gives up 4-5 runs in six innings, but with this offense, that still gives the team a chance to win.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Sept 13, 2013 10:40:01 GMT -5
Re: luxury tax, I think his contract would only count for the pro-rated portion where he's not suspended, but I could be wrong. Dempster is what he is: a #5 pitcher who gives you innings and usually doesn't poop the bed too fast. Say what you want about his slew of starts where he gives up 4-5 runs in six innings, but with this offense, that still gives the team a chance to win. I don't think Selig has made a clear response to that. Let me show you my shocked face as the E-Trade baby says. Showalter brought that up. He's helping the Yankees by waiting to suspend him next year if that's the case.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 13, 2013 10:57:26 GMT -5
The Yankees won two games of their last 5 games on wild pitches. It's disgusting watching A-Rod pimping around helping them battle for the playoffs. He's going to win his appeal and get either 50 or 100 games as a 1st or 2nd offender. Selig should have just suspended him for the rest of this year. Sounds like he'd have accepted that. Pound these bums. It's worth noting that for all the "ZMOG HOW IS AROID STILL ON THE FIELD" nonsense, the whole situation is a direct result of Selig's ridiculous attempts to impose a lifetime ban (or effectively lifetime) on Rodriguez. It's just another example of Selig's remarkable ability to find the worst possible solution for every problem. By his overzealous attempt to rid the game of a notorious PED user, he's made said PED user the biggest story of the season and kept him on the field. They should have just negotiated some kind of acceptable suspension with Rodriguez and downplayed it as much as possible. "Well, it's unfortunate, but Rodriguez has been found in violation of the league's drug policy and will be accepting a suspension for X games in accordance with the penalties outlined in the CBA... now, how about those Pirates? And can you believe the season this Kershaw kid is having?" Do what the NFL does. Have a policy (if you want it to be a more effective policy than the NFL, fine), enforce it consistently and fairly, and outside of that just STFU. There's always going to be jerks and cheaters in the game. It's up to baseball to decide how much attention they want focused on those guys.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 13, 2013 11:07:27 GMT -5
The Yankees won two games of their last 5 games on wild pitches. It's disgusting watching A-Rod pimping around helping them battle for the playoffs. He's going to win his appeal and get either 50 or 100 games as a 1st or 2nd offender. Selig should have just suspended him for the rest of this year. Sounds like he'd have accepted that. Pound these bums. It's worth noting that for all the "ZMOG HOW IS AROID STILL ON THE FIELD" nonsense, the whole situation is a direct result of Selig's ridiculous attempts to impose a lifetime ban (or effectively lifetime) on Rodriguez. It's just another example of Selig's remarkable ability to find the worst possible solution for every problem. By his overzealous attempt to rid the game of a notorious PED user, he's made said PED user the biggest story of the season and kept him on the field. They should have just negotiated some kind of acceptable suspension with Rodriguez and downplayed it as much as possible. "Well, it's unfortunate, but Rodriguez has been found in violation of the league's drug policy and will be accepting a suspension for X games in accordance with the penalties outlined in the CBA... now, how about those Pirates? And can you believe the season this Kershaw kid is having?" Do what the NFL does. Have a policy (if you want it to be a more effective policy than the NFL, fine), enforce it consistently and fairly, and outside of that just STFU. There's always going to be jerks and cheaters in the game. It's up to baseball to decide how much attention they want focused on those guys. Yeah ESPN recently had a story that like 20% of fans polled considered A-Rod the "face of baseball."
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Post by okin15 on Sept 13, 2013 11:51:00 GMT -5
why hasn't the appeal been heard? It's ridiculous that multi-billion dollar industry with it's own set of internal rules can't find the time to hear a simple appeal about the biggest (negative) story line of the entire season
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Post by jmei on Sept 13, 2013 12:11:47 GMT -5
why hasn't the appeal been heard? It's ridiculous that multi-billion dollar industry with it's own set of internal rules can't find the time to hear a simple appeal about the biggest (negative) story line of the entire season Not a simple appeal by any stretch of the imagination. Think hundreds of documents, dozens of witnesses, etc.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 13, 2013 13:02:39 GMT -5
It's worth noting that for all the "ZMOG HOW IS AROID STILL ON THE FIELD" nonsense, the whole situation is a direct result of Selig's ridiculous attempts to impose a lifetime ban (or effectively lifetime) on Rodriguez. It's just another example of Selig's remarkable ability to find the worst possible solution for every problem. By his overzealous attempt to rid the game of a notorious PED user, he's made said PED user the biggest story of the season and kept him on the field. They should have just negotiated some kind of acceptable suspension with Rodriguez and downplayed it as much as possible. "Well, it's unfortunate, but Rodriguez has been found in violation of the league's drug policy and will be accepting a suspension for X games in accordance with the penalties outlined in the CBA... now, how about those Pirates? And can you believe the season this Kershaw kid is having?" Do what the NFL does. Have a policy (if you want it to be a more effective policy than the NFL, fine), enforce it consistently and fairly, and outside of that just STFU. There's always going to be jerks and cheaters in the game. It's up to baseball to decide how much attention they want focused on those guys. Yeah ESPN recently had a story that like 20% of fans polled considered A-Rod the "face of baseball." Right on, right on. But all of this is much, much too simple for the meatheads who run baseball. What is especially grating for those of us older than, say, 35, is the overbearing hypocrisy. These are the same jokers who loved that old-time revival music from McGuire, Sosa, Palmiero, Bonds, and everyone else who juiced. There was no coherent policy in place in the late 90s, none, and there were individuals working very hard to mask those drugs from what minimal testing did exist. So much money involved, no one wanted to kill the golden goose, the one stuffed full of steroids, and HGH. Now the Lords of the Realm need a visible target for all that righteous crap, and ARod is such an easy target. In a very twisted way, this is the flip side of the silly "superstar" nexus for the game, and a very dark star it is. Just as you point out, they've made it the biggest story of the season. A word of caution: if you run a business of any kind, you don't want MLB doing your public relations work for you.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Sept 13, 2013 13:34:40 GMT -5
Wanna know how phony the stats are from that era? Paul Goldschmidt leads the NL in home runs this year. All 31 of them.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 13, 2013 13:51:22 GMT -5
why hasn't the appeal been heard? It's ridiculous that multi-billion dollar industry with it's own set of internal rules can't find the time to hear a simple appeal about the biggest (negative) story line of the entire season Not a simple appeal by any stretch of the imagination. Think hundreds of documents, dozens of witnesses, etc. Think that he never failed a test and their primary witness is under federal investigation, reportedly in dire financial straits and was also reportedly paid by MLB for handing over information, and has already been cited for impersonating a physician in the state of Florida. I would think even a decent attorney will have a field day with this before an arbiter when trying to impugn the veracity of the information. Also, it will be tough to justify suspending ARod for more than 50 games on a 1st offense when that is the agreement signed by MLB and the Union, and because MLB didn't give Colon and Cabrera as second suspension but instead assumed that they flunked in 2012 because of what the got at Biogenesis last year - even though none of the other 18 Biogenesis "clients"named who ostensibly took the same supplements flunked (again, easy to cast doubt on whether they were violating a test or took something above and beyond what they got at biogenesis). This will be fascinating. And if ARod even sniffs that MLB's case will be very weak before a real judge, look for him to take this to court if he doesn't get what he wants. Meanwhile the Yankees will get off scott free, lux tax-wise for every day he's suspended. If anyone thinks Selig doesn't represent the interests of the owners and no one else, think again.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 13, 2013 13:55:07 GMT -5
Wanna know how phony the stats are from that era? Paul Goldschmidt leads the NL in home runs this year. All 31 of them. Right, and offensive levels have never varied at any other point in baseball's history for any reason. Nor has any pitcher ever used steroids. QED. God, I hate this argument.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Sept 13, 2013 14:09:59 GMT -5
Wanna know how phony the stats are from that era? Paul Goldschmidt leads the NL in home runs this year. All 31 of them. Right, and offensive levels have never varied at any other point in baseball's history for any reason. Nor has any pitcher ever used steroids. QED. God, I hate this argument. So, HR records were set because of changes in technique? Ok.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Sept 13, 2013 14:13:05 GMT -5
Here's a new lineup. Haven't seen this one before. Look who's batting cleanup!
Pedroia - 2B Victorino - RF Ortiz - DH Carp - 1b Nava - LF Salty - C Drew - SS WMB - 3B JBJ - CF
Lackey vs Kuroda. Gardner hurt his oblique last night for the MFY's. Could be out for the year.
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 13, 2013 14:35:45 GMT -5
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Post by bjb406 on Sept 13, 2013 14:52:24 GMT -5
Sweep or bust. Knock these guys back out of contention.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 13, 2013 15:03:32 GMT -5
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Post by iakovos11 on Sept 13, 2013 15:08:42 GMT -5
Yes it is. Where did find this?
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Post by jmei on Sept 13, 2013 15:12:36 GMT -5
If the Red Sox win the World Series, I'm gonna get a framed poster of that. Amazing.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 13, 2013 15:26:10 GMT -5
Right, and offensive levels have never varied at any other point in baseball's history for any reason. Nor has any pitcher ever used steroids. QED. God, I hate this argument. So, HR records were set because of changes in technique? Ok. They were set for any number of reasons. Notably the really insane home run numbers all came in the immediate wake of the Rays/Diamondbacks expansion.
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Post by soxfanatic on Sept 13, 2013 15:31:36 GMT -5
Tim Britton ?@timbritton 1m Ellsbury starts physical activities today. Still no timetable on him.
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Post by ramireja on Sept 13, 2013 16:36:58 GMT -5
So, HR records were set because of changes in technique? Ok. They were set for any number of reasons. Notably the really insane home run numbers all came in the immediate wake of the Rays/Diamondbacks expansion. Duh....why didn't we think of that?! One expansion team per league is a way better argument than you know....steroids.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 13, 2013 16:44:22 GMT -5
MLB has a dozen ways to manipulate offensive production, and they've done just that many times over the years. You need to familiarize yourself with the data. It creates a hall of mirrors for anyone trying to say anything about the causes. That's the reality.
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Post by okin15 on Sept 13, 2013 16:49:01 GMT -5
Not a simple appeal by any stretch of the imagination. Think hundreds of documents, dozens of witnesses, etc. Meanwhile the Yankees will get off scott free, lux tax-wise for every day he's suspended. If anyone thinks Selig doesn't represent the interests of the owners and no one else, think again. I mean, are they still gathering evidence, or just scared? And as for Selig, you're not wrong, but lowering the luxury tax charge on the Yanks could be seen as bad by some teams, and furthermore, could be seen as good by some players, as there would be more money to go around.
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