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Post by stevedillard on Sept 24, 2013 18:51:44 GMT -5
BA is starting its yearly rankings of the minors. Today was the GCL, and Wendell Rijo came in 9th. Trey Ball did not rank because he did not pitch enough. For comparisons of the other picks who were potential Sox picks, Clint Frazier was first in the Arizona league, and Austin Meadows was first in the GCL. www.baseballamerica.com/minors/league-top-20-prospects-index-2/
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 24, 2013 19:04:59 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 25, 2013 10:39:15 GMT -5
Franklin Barreto was only #5? That seems silly. He's a shortstop (for now), was second in the league in doubles, fourth in slugging, was rated the #1 international signee last year, and doesn't turn 18 until February. I mean, Dominic Smith is cool and all, but that seems nuts.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 25, 2013 13:54:01 GMT -5
Damn... Hard not to think "we could've had him" whenever I see Meadows name.
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Post by sammo420 on Sept 25, 2013 14:31:12 GMT -5
Damn... Hard not to think "we could've had him" whenever I see Meadows name. The race ain't over yet.
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Post by jdb on Sept 25, 2013 16:56:14 GMT -5
Damn... Hard not to think "we could've had him" whenever I see Meadows name. Yep I will always follow Meadows pretty closely bc I liked him a lot. Totally fine with Ball though. You can never have enough top end pitching.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 25, 2013 20:37:41 GMT -5
10 GCL sleepers: www.baseballamerica.com/minors/ten-sleepers-from-the-gulf-coast-league/By the way, the Thorpe thing is funny. Not sure how many of you listen to Speier's weekend show/podcast, but McGrath and Thorpe grew up down the street from one another or something crazy. Them starting against each other on GCL opening day was a big deal back in Australia, per Jon Deeble.
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Post by stevedillard on Oct 1, 2013 10:00:19 GMT -5
NY-Penn league 7.Manuel Margot 10.Simon Mercedes 15.Jamie Callahan
This completes the rookie ball leagues, where we have sent our young bonus babies the past two years (Buttrey, Denney, Ball, Stankiewicz, Callahan).
Well, if the glass is half full, this suggests that our international signings have been good.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Oct 1, 2013 14:37:45 GMT -5
Chat responses:
The Chat is sub-only so I don't know if I can post more than that but here is what he said about other guys:
Buttrey got lukewarm reports, 86-91 FB, fringy secondary, projects as a reliever.
Sergio Gomez got the good organizational arm tag. Below avg FB velocity, below avg secondary stuff.
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Post by okin15 on Oct 2, 2013 10:33:36 GMT -5
Pretty cool that the Bruins 2nd line winger has become so interested his adopted city's minor league baseball affiliates.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Oct 2, 2013 15:34:17 GMT -5
Mookie came in at 8th in the Sally League. For other guys here is a chat answer:
I'm still very intrigued by Kukuk. Won't give up on my young Lester hopes.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 2, 2013 18:41:12 GMT -5
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Post by borisman on Oct 3, 2013 15:31:06 GMT -5
Mookie came in at 8th in the Sally League. For other guys here is a chat answer: I'm still very intrigued by Kukuk. Won't give up on my young Lester hopes. If he can repeat his delivery and cut down on his walks then he's a strong candidate to shoot up the prospect ladder, ala Mookie Betts. The power is there, as is his "developing" off-speed stuff.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 3, 2013 15:58:11 GMT -5
It's a big if, though. He had the highest walk rate in the South Atlantic League of anyone with 30+ innings. And it's not like he evened it out with a phenomenal K% - Justin Haley's, for example, was higher. Kukuk is a huge project.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Oct 3, 2013 17:19:54 GMT -5
Yeah I know its probably not gonna happen (I mean he had like 7 walks per 9 inning) but with his stuff if he improves just a little bit he could be a bullpen weapon. I refuse to give up.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Oct 3, 2013 21:05:32 GMT -5
Kukuk, Owens, they traded for Webster and RDLR ... do the Sox know something about "big arms with control problems" that the rest of us don't? Or is it just coincidence ... I mean, they did draft Brian Johnson high, as well, so maybe there's nothing to it. I just was struck by the number of Sox minor league pitchers that have the "if he can harness his stuff, he'll be great" vibe to them.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 3, 2013 21:33:32 GMT -5
It's a big if, though. He had the highest walk rate in the South Atlantic League of anyone with 30+ innings. And it's not like he evened it out with a phenomenal K% - Justin Haley's, for example, was higher. Kukuk is a huge project. I'm surprised that more teams don't have high upside low control guys like Kukuk pitch out of the stretch all the time, esp if it doesn't reduce velo. Fewer moving parts & easier to repeat = less to remember. And unless he's throwing a perfect game he's going to end up in the stretch anyway.
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Post by sammo420 on Oct 4, 2013 1:27:46 GMT -5
Kukuk, Owens, they traded for Webster and RDLR ... do the Sox know something about "big arms with control problems" that the rest of us don't? Or is it just coincidence ... I mean, they did draft Brian Johnson high, as well, so maybe there's nothing to it. I just was struck by the number of Sox minor league pitchers that have the "if he can harness his stuff, he'll be great" vibe to them. If they didn't have a wart of some kind they wouldn't be available to us.
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Post by larrycook on Oct 4, 2013 7:47:38 GMT -5
Kukuk, Owens, they traded for Webster and RDLR ... do the Sox know something about "big arms with control problems" that the rest of us don't? Or is it just coincidence ... I mean, they did draft Brian Johnson high, as well, so maybe there's nothing to it. I just was struck by the number of Sox minor league pitchers that have the "if he can harness his stuff, he'll be great" vibe to them. Don't all taller pitchers with big arms, need to learn to pitch instead of throw? Isn't this part of the learning curve? Randy Johnson used to have these problems early on in Montreal. It's all about who can figure it out and who never does.
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Post by azblue on Oct 4, 2013 9:40:38 GMT -5
Look at Sandy Koufax's record through his first four years in the majors. He evolved into having one of the best strikeout to walk ratios in the majors.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 4, 2013 10:51:28 GMT -5
By the time Koufax was Kukuk's age, he had over 100 major league innings and he'd walked 12.8% of major league hitters (again, Kukuk walked 16.8% of SAL batters). Also - he was Sandy Koufax, who all of those minor leaguers with better numbers and stuff than Kukuk also didn't turn into. For every Sandy Koufax, there are hundreds of Andrew Brackman.
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Post by jmei on Oct 4, 2013 10:55:25 GMT -5
Good stuff, bad command -> Randy Johnson, Sandy Koufax Bad stuff, good command -> Greg Maddux
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 4, 2013 11:13:42 GMT -5
Oooh, let's do hitters too!
Good batting averages, lacking power -> Wade Boggs, Ichiro Suzuki Advanced plate discipline, old for their level -> Kevin Youkilis, Edgar Martinez
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Post by ramireja on Oct 4, 2013 11:29:14 GMT -5
Good stuff, bad command -> Randy Johnson, Sandy Koufax, Cody KukukBad stuff, good command -> Greg Maddux fixed
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Post by edwardcc on Oct 4, 2013 11:45:28 GMT -5
Good stuff, bad command -> Randy Johnson, Sandy Koufax Bad stuff, good command -> Greg Maddux Greg Maddux not having "good stuff" is a myth.
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