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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 3, 2013 12:16:54 GMT -5
Kuroda is likely headed back to Japan FYI. Agreed. Everything he has stated, even before the season ended indicated that and he even reportedly took less money last year took less money to return to NY than Boston offered to sign there. Boston offering him 15-20m would be a mistake. They already have 1 too many SP, could theoretically move a SP to clear a space for Workman now and use that money to lock up either Lester/Peavy.
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Post by jmei on Nov 3, 2013 15:59:12 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal ?@ken_Rosenthal Sources: #RedSox’s Lovullo will indeed interview with #Cubs, most likely early this week.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 3, 2013 16:16:13 GMT -5
So who becomes the bench coach if Lovullo indeed gets the Cubs' job? I say Butterfield is the in-house leading candidate.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 3, 2013 18:18:55 GMT -5
Gary D
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Post by charliezink16 on Nov 3, 2013 23:09:01 GMT -5
Not that I know exactly how his role would change, but given Gary's background, he seems like a perfect fit as the AAA manager. Wish I had quotes from one of Speier's articles, but he always seems to be key to players' finishing pieces to their development. I assume his responsibilities would be less focused on player development in the Bench Coach role.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 3, 2013 23:49:25 GMT -5
Rodriguez is 100% going to be suspended. The real question is whether it's going to be 50 games, 150 games, 162 games, or the original 212. The fact that the arbitrator's ruling won't be out until December is going to hamper Yankee planning, though, and it'll be difficult for them to commit to multiple big dollar signings unless Rodriguez is gone for 150+ games. The NY Times has a very detailed look at the hardball being played by both sides in the Rodriguez case today. Words like seamy and sordid quickly come to mind. Given the amount of cash A-Rod has to throw around, and with MLB's investigators providing ample opportunities to question their behavior and motives, it's not a given that he's out of baseball next year. Personally, I'd bet against it with some eventual resolution at between 50 and 100 games, maybe. Among the "indiscretions": one of MLB's lead investigators got involved in a sexual relationship with one of the women he was, ahem, investigating. A-Rod's people paid $100K for the card that came with the flowers the gal got from that guy, for his business card which he gave her, and for her phone with his text messages, which takes us into the digital age and out of the realm of Dashiell Hammett. This, incidentally, is one of the investigators that Selig hired after MLB's official investigating team came up empty handed. He didn't bother telling anyone else in the office, including the team, that he'd done that. What a guy. Hang on, it gets weirder. They've also put themselves into a really bizarre position, it seems to me. But maybe I'm just naive about the logic behind legal proceedings and whether consistency scores you any points. They claim that one of their witnesses - someone they've subpoenaed and that they expect to testify as presumably a credible witness - is not to be believed when he claims he was pressured by them. So their credible witness is - wait for it - not very credible according to MLB! There are also rumors of death threats, cash thrown around as if it was... Major League Baseball, and an endless stream of high-pressure tactics being used by both sides. Anyone who doesn't think this is personal also believes that A-Rod is just a shy kid from Florida, and that Bud Selig is cut from the mold of our greatest leaders... sure.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 4, 2013 0:27:39 GMT -5
They should put Selig and Rodriquez in a steel cage with knives, let them fight it out, then forget to open the cage once the fight is over.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 4, 2013 11:14:08 GMT -5
One potential backup outfielder off the market - Rays picked up the 2014 option on DeJesus. EDIT: It looks like he's gotten a brand new two year deal instead, with an option for 2016.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 4, 2013 12:23:29 GMT -5
What's the over/under for the release date of the movie surrounding this fiasco. After Norms post, I home it's a Cinemax original.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 4, 2013 13:29:15 GMT -5
There are also rumors of death threats, cash thrown around as if it was... Major League Baseball, and an endless stream of high-pressure tactics being used by both sides. Anyone who doesn't think this is personal also believes that A-Rod is just a shy kid from Florida, and that Bud Selig is cut from the mold of our greatest leaders... sure. Oh yeah. How else do you explain the discrepancy between how MLB handled Braun and A-Rod? They basically handled the Braun suspension perfectly, in that both sides agreed to a suspension that was outside of the collectively bargained policies on PEDs but that allowed everyone involved to save face and move on. Whereas with A-Rod, Selig clearly wanted nothing more than to run A-Rod out of the game, and badly overplayed his hand in trying to do so. The end result of this is an embarrassing soap opera that will now be dragged out for literally a year longer than it should have been, and that will probably end up with MLB looking weak and stupid in the process.
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 4, 2013 14:02:03 GMT -5
Bob Nightengale ?@bnightengale 1m The #Yankees make qualifying offers to Robinson Cano, Curtis Granderson, Hiroki Kuroda.
That takes Granderson off my personal wishlist.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 4, 2013 16:23:31 GMT -5
There are also rumors of death threats, cash thrown around as if it was... Major League Baseball, and an endless stream of high-pressure tactics being used by both sides. Anyone who doesn't think this is personal also believes that A-Rod is just a shy kid from Florida, and that Bud Selig is cut from the mold of our greatest leaders... sure. Oh yeah. How else do you explain the discrepancy between how MLB handled Braun and A-Rod? They basically handled the Braun suspension perfectly, in that both sides agreed to a suspension that was outside of the collectively bargained policies on PEDs but that allowed everyone involved to save face and move on. Whereas with A-Rod, Selig clearly wanted nothing more than to run A-Rod out of the game, and badly overplayed his hand in trying to do so. The end result of this is an embarrassing soap opera that will now be dragged out for literally a year longer than it should have been, and that will probably end up with MLB looking weak and stupid in the process. But what turned it personal? That's the real question... I tend to believe it has more to do with Arod being a delusional douche than Selig having some vendetta against him from the start. Braun, I truly despise, but he was screwed and he knew the best way to handle it financially was to get it over with. If Braun wasn't due a huge salary spike next year, there is no telling what he would have done. He's proven to be a jerk in the past. edited: for going off on a speculative tangent.
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Post by sammo420 on Nov 4, 2013 17:50:54 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal ?@ken_Rosenthal Sources: #RedSox’s Lovullo will indeed interview with #Cubs, most likely early this week. As a part of the Theo agreement wasn't there something about him not poaching us any further? That could have been board speculation based on lack of compensation that I bought into but I thought we told him to keep his hands out of our cookie jar?
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Post by jmei on Nov 4, 2013 17:58:22 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal ?@ken_Rosenthal Sources: #RedSox’s Lovullo will indeed interview with #Cubs, most likely early this week. As a part of the Theo agreement wasn't there something about him not poaching us any further? That could have been board speculation based on lack of compensation that I bought into but I thought we told him to keep his hands out of our cookie jar? This is indeed happening: www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24186812/lovullo-remains-in-limbo-dispute-arises-between-cubs-and-bosoxAs noted in the article, the problem with blocking Lovullo from interviewing is that Lovullo might understandably be pretty mad if the Red Sox essentially blocked him from interviewing with one of the thirty most desirable jobs in his line of work.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 4, 2013 18:01:17 GMT -5
As a part of the Theo agreement wasn't there something about him not poaching us any further? That could have been board speculation based on lack of compensation that I bought into but I thought we told him to keep his hands out of our cookie jar? This is indeed happening: www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24186812/lovullo-remains-in-limbo-dispute-arises-between-cubs-and-bosoxAs noted in the article, the problem with blocking Lovullo from interviewing is that Lovullo might understandably be pretty mad if the Red Sox essentially blocked him from interviewing with one of the thirty most desirable jobs in his line of work. Well screw the cubs really…. Sox and cubs came to an agreement to not poach staff from each other. So sox should get something (again).
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Post by bentossaurus on Nov 4, 2013 18:44:35 GMT -5
Probably not the super-duper right place to post this. But what the heck.
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Post by nothingball on Nov 4, 2013 19:44:03 GMT -5
Well screw the cubs really…. Sox and cubs came to an agreement to not poach staff from each other. So sox should get something (again). Quick, start a new thread and let the hot stove simmer! I'll assign the over/under at Castro (again).
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 4, 2013 20:09:09 GMT -5
Well screw the cubs really…. Sox and cubs came to an agreement to not poach staff from each other. So sox should get something (again). Quick, start a new thread and let the hot stove simmer! I'll assign the over/under at Castro (again).After the way Castro played in 2013 the Cubs are probably wishing they'd shipped him out when they had the chance.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 4, 2013 20:19:35 GMT -5
They need to get over it. If Lovullo wants to interview let him, its a "promotion" and he deserves better. I know it wasn't the most amicable departure but thats in the past. The Red Sox just won the WS so its not like the team is missing Theo or anything, I actually think it was good to "move on" while the same process remained in place. They did take one of the cross checkers after this agreement so maybe there is more to this.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 4, 2013 20:42:43 GMT -5
Lovullo wasn't even in Boston when Theo left. Hard to see how he fits in the spirit of that agreement. Would be brutal if the Sox didn't let him interview and could hurt them down the road with potential hires if they know the Sox play hardball like that.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 4, 2013 21:06:54 GMT -5
Cherrington did say that nobody has contacted them yet so its hard to know right now. I can't see how they stand in the way in this one. The time to play hard ball was by no letting Theo assume his GM responsibilities for the Cubs before the compensation was hashed out. For whatever reason it didn't happen so its over, time to move on.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Nov 4, 2013 22:34:29 GMT -5
How do you get fired after two seasons in the middle of a long term rebuild? I've mostly ignored the Cubs but Sveum must have been really overmatched to get axed that fast given the situation of the franchise.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 4, 2013 22:43:33 GMT -5
How do you get fired after two seasons in the middle of a long term rebuild? I've mostly ignored the Cubs but Sveum must have been really overmatched to get axed that fast given the situation of the franchise. The young guys there regressed - Rizzo, Starlin, etc. - among other things. Made sense to can him now if they didn't think he was a fit before their wealth of minor league talent - Baez, Bryant, Almora, Soler, etc. - comes up. Apparently they met with him midseason and told him he needed to change how he was doing things, and it didn't happen.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Nov 4, 2013 23:13:57 GMT -5
How do you get fired after two seasons in the middle of a long term rebuild? I've mostly ignored the Cubs but Sveum must have been really overmatched to get axed that fast given the situation of the franchise. The young guys there regressed - Rizzo, Starlin, etc. - among other things. Made sense to can him now if they didn't think he was a fit before their wealth of minor league talent - Baez, Bryant, Almora, Soler, etc. - comes up. Apparently they met with him midseason and told him he needed to change how he was doing things, and it didn't happen.Thats actually really funny. I remember when people wanted him to be our manager...
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 5, 2013 9:19:00 GMT -5
Yea like our GM...
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