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Lackey/Peavy Trade
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Post by bmitchsox on Nov 12, 2013 12:53:52 GMT -5
I think we have a ton of pitching depth on the verge of coming up, and letting go of Peavy or Lackey could make sense, depending what they bring back. What do you guys think a potential trade could look like/what are they worth?
I would think Lackey's value would be pretty high considering his performance, especially in the playoffs, and the fact he's only making 500k in '15. I would strongly consider dealing him if we could get a reasonably high prospect. (Say Tillman or Morin from LAA? Braves interested as well)
Peavy netted us a top prospects last yr, and may hopefully be able to get us a somewhat decent prospect again, especially if we eat some of the money.
I was going to mention Dempster in this, but we wouldn't get anything of value for him.
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Post by mattpicard on Nov 12, 2013 15:06:00 GMT -5
I'm hesitant to trade Lackey - it'd really have to be a great trade. Aside from Lester, he's the only starter we have that you count on to pitch deep into games effectively. The guy is a horse. Having him around for half a mil in 2015 is pretty damn valuable to us as well.
Peavy is a different story.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 12, 2013 16:29:39 GMT -5
Also it would be a kick to the nuts for the guys in the club house. After everything that has happened the guy came back and pitch very well for this team. He also seems to be the leader of the staff as guys like Buchholz and Lester seem to look up to him somewhat.
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Post by elguapo on Nov 13, 2013 11:46:51 GMT -5
Also it would be a kick to the nuts for the guys in the club house. After everything that has happened the guy came back and pitch very well for this team. He also seems to be the leader of the staff as guys like Buchholz and Lester seem to look up to him somewhat. This is hilarious after the idiotic chicken-and-beer "scandal".
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 13, 2013 12:30:26 GMT -5
Yeah. I bet you they still stuff like eat chicken and drink beer but they win so nobody gives a ****.
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Post by jdb on Dec 5, 2013 9:28:41 GMT -5
I guess these talks will heat up next week at the GM meetings. Given the Fister trade it will be interesting to follow. I know the Braves have shown interest in Lackey but I'm not sure how much money they can add. They've got Uggla making 13 million and baseball reference projects their payroll at $85 and on top of that BJ Upton is looking like an albatross.
Purely hypothetical but would you trade Lackey for Justin Upton and eat Ugglas $26 million?
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Post by jrffam05 on Dec 5, 2013 11:58:11 GMT -5
You know what I just thought might make sense. What about Lackey for Encarnacion? He can start at 1st for us and if Middlebrooks struggles we can move him to third?
I honestly don't know if that is an even trade, just popped into my head.
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Post by jmei on Dec 5, 2013 14:23:39 GMT -5
Nah, that wouldn't work for Toronto. Encarnacion is signed for dirt-cheap dollars ($9m in 2014, $10m in 2015, $10m club option in 2016) and has become an elite hitter (two four-win seasons in a row despite awful defensive numbers; in 2012-13, he's hit about as well as Papi did in 2013). The artist formerly known as E5 might have one of the highest trade values in the league; Lackey isn't going to come close to cutting it.
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Post by soxfan94 on Dec 5, 2013 15:02:35 GMT -5
Could we do some sort of Lackey for Kemp deal? Maybe put morales or miller in and a prospect.
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Post by bmitchsox on Dec 6, 2013 0:34:40 GMT -5
Could we do some sort of Lackey for Kemp deal? Maybe put morales or miller in and a prospect. I wouldn't do either of the Tor or Atl deals, but this could definitely work. Maybe Lackey, Morales, Brentz, Johnson for Kemp w 30 million eaten towards the end of the deal. The rotation could be Lester/Bucholz/Peavy/Doubront/Workman, Barnes or Webster. RF Victorino 1B Nava 2B Pedroia DH Ortiz LF Kemp 3B Middlebrooks SS Bogaerts C Pierzynski CF Bradley Jr
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 6, 2013 9:55:27 GMT -5
The idea that the Red Sox should trade their reliable #3 starter coming off a strong year with a team friendly contract for an extremely expensive lottery ticket like Kemp who hasn't been good since 2011 is kind of crazy. It's like Arroyo for Pena, if Pena was owed nine figures. With the position the Red Sox are in, they shouldn't trade Lackey for Kemp if money wasn't an issue at all. It makes the current team worse.
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Post by sibbysisti on Dec 6, 2013 10:35:24 GMT -5
Some would say crazy, and there's ample evidence of Lackey's rebound this past season. Others may say that now is the time to move him since his value is close to an all time high for him and he would bring back a better return.
Either way, the team is in a favorable position. Pitching is a strength in this organization, particularly young starters. It all depends, of course, on who's coming this way. Lackey is not untouchable, though you didn't imply this.
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Post by soxfan94 on Dec 6, 2013 11:07:37 GMT -5
The idea that the Red Sox should trade their reliable #3 starter coming off a strong year with a team friendly contract for an extremely expensive lottery ticket like Kemp who hasn't been good since 2011 is kind of crazy. It's like Arroyo for Pena, if Pena was owed nine figures. With the position the Red Sox are in, they shouldn't trade Lackey for Kemp if money wasn't an issue at all. It makes the current team worse. 15 million? I say we have overpayed for Lackey in every year but 2013. And do you see him repeating this season?
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 6, 2013 13:08:43 GMT -5
Lackey's 2015 option makes his deal extremely team friendly. And yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if he repeats his 2013 season. It's roughly the pitcher he was from 2008 to 2010 before he hurt his arm and lost two years. It's much, much more likely that Lackey repeats his 2013 than Kemp ever has his 2011 again.
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Post by pedey on Dec 6, 2013 14:51:52 GMT -5
Peavy, Brentz, and Bradley to SF for Brandon Belt. Sign Shin-Soo Choo to play RF. Victorino moves to CF.
Victorino Choo Pedroia Ortiz Belt Bogaerts Pierzynski Middlebrooks Nava
Lester Buchholz Lackey Doubront TBD (Webster, Ranaudo, Barnes, Workman, RDLR, Dempster)
That is a very good line-up and rotation if you ask me.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 6, 2013 20:24:05 GMT -5
You'd bat Choo leadoff
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Post by jdb on Jun 19, 2014 12:09:24 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 19, 2014 12:28:00 GMT -5
Have no problem dealing Peavy but I can't imagine he'd fetch much. The Sox, to get anything of value, would need to heavily subsidize his salary for this year, which I don't think they would or should do. And I'm sure a team like Oakland is quite aware of his FIP numbers and wouldn't pay heavily for them. I think it's more likely that Peavy is tradeable despite his salary and declining performance than the Sox would actually get anything back of value.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jun 19, 2014 13:39:41 GMT -5
Peavy will most likely be more expendable now given the logjam at #4 and 5 with Doubront, Workman and Rubby. I wouldn't expect a top prospect or even a serviceable ML outfielder in return, though.
The Lackey situation is more complicated. True, his value has increased immeasurably in the last year and he would command a solid return. His 2015 option, however, is a problem. If he's moved to, say KC or PIT, post season condensers, for example, John might just decide to retire or sit out the year since he's made his fortune.
He may inform Cherington that he'd consider to continue playing if traded, let's say to LA or Texas. So he has some leverage. Then again, if the Sox can't re-sign Lester it might be wise to hang on to Lackey.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 19, 2014 22:04:13 GMT -5
I'd take one or two of does welfare picks and/or international slots for Peavy.
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 20, 2014 8:52:09 GMT -5
The idea that the Red Sox should trade their reliable #3 starter Reliable #3 starter? Who are you talking about? Lackey would be #1 on most teams and is only #2 on the Sox because Lester is pitching his socks off. Peavy is more like a #5. Buchholz is not reliable. Is this thread about Rubby de la Rosa?
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Post by Guidas on Jul 9, 2014 11:49:31 GMT -5
Not sure where to put this, but given Lackey's performance and practically free year next year via his contract, one would think the Sox could get near Samardjiza return for him. If this is true and that kind of return (a top 10 player for 1.5 years of a #2 starter who could be a #1 in some parks of the NL) is possible, Cherrington must be very tempted:
?@nickcafardo 1h Peavy is he guy Red Sox would deal but lots of interest in Lackey
Such a move, however, would almost certainly necessitate resigning Lester or going all in on Scherzer (which I don't believe they would do). Some GMs are getting creative, that's for sure.
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Post by alnipper on Jul 9, 2014 12:20:45 GMT -5
Do not overlook the Brewers trying for one of our starters. Peavy or Lackey would be appealing. All our veteran pitchers would be ideal for Milwaukee.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 9, 2014 12:22:21 GMT -5
Not sure where to put this, but given Lackey's performance and practically free year next year via his contract, one would think the Sox could get near Samardjiza return for him. If this is true and that kind of return (a top 10 player for 1.5 years of a #2 starter who could be a #1 in some parks of the NL) is possible, Cherrington must be very tempted: ? @nickcafardo 1h Peavy is he guy Red Sox would deal but lots of interest in Lackey
Such a move, however, would almost certainly necessitate resigning Lester or going all in on Scherzer (which I don't believe they would do). Some GMs are getting creative, that's for sure. This actually makes the most sense. I could see packaging Peavy with Lackey, and getting a very good return. If you're the receiving team, you sit Lackey down, tear up the $500,000 contract, and give him a nice upgrade to say $12 million all of which he's worth. You've got a dependable 2-3 starter for this year and next year, and a 4-5 for the rest of this season also. If you're St. Louis, that probably seals the deal for the playoffs. That, I believe, would net you some prospect gold. At that point the team needs to make a very serious offer to Lester.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 9, 2014 12:54:08 GMT -5
Not sure where to put this, but given Lackey's performance and practically free year next year via his contract, one would think the Sox could get near Samardjiza return for him. If this is true and that kind of return (a top 10 player for 1.5 years of a #2 starter who could be a #1 in some parks of the NL) is possible, Cherrington must be very tempted: ? @nickcafardo 1h Peavy is he guy Red Sox would deal but lots of interest in Lackey
Such a move, however, would almost certainly necessitate resigning Lester or going all in on Scherzer (which I don't believe they would do). Some GMs are getting creative, that's for sure. This actually makes the most sense. I could see packaging Peavy with Lackey, and getting a very good return. If you're the receiving team, you sit Lackey down, tear up the $500,000 contract, and give him a nice upgrade to say $12 million all of which he's worth. You've got a dependable 2-3 starter for this year and next year, and a 4-5 for the rest of this season also. If you're St. Louis, that probably seals the deal for the playoffs. That, I believe, would net you some prospect gold. At that point the team needs to make a very serious offer to Lester. Or just before you make that deal, otherwise, though I didn't think it was possible, Lester would have even more leverage over the Sox.
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