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Lackey/Peavy Trade
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Post by jdb on Jul 9, 2014 18:06:17 GMT -5
Since I'm still holding out hope that Lester resigns before the deadline I think Lackey and Koji need to go. I don't know if I'd want Lackey on a multi year deal and I'm not sure he plays for $500k. With our money we could replace Lackey bc it seems every year somebody gets left at the alter and goes into Feb without a deal. I even think there's a Japanese pitcher. (Obviously not on Tanakas level). Every team in baseball could afford Lackey and maybe if you add Miller you can get a top prospect in return.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 9, 2014 22:48:01 GMT -5
Since I'm still holding out hope that Lester resigns before the deadline I think Lackey and Koji need to go. I don't know if I'd want Lackey on a multi year deal and I'm not sure he plays for $500k. With our money we could replace Lackey bc it seems every year somebody gets left at the alter and goes into Feb without a deal. I even think there's a Japanese pitcher. (Obviously not on Tanakas level). Every team in baseball could afford Lackey and maybe if you add Miller you can get a top prospect in return. I see is the other way around. If the Sox and Lester come to an agreement soon, I'd much prefer that the Sox find a way to hang onto Lackey and Uehara because the presence of Lester in 2015 means it's more likely that if the Sox improve drastically in other areas, they will be competitive and they'll need two top flight pitchers in Lester and Lackey and a top notch closer in Uehara. As bad as they are now, it's not inconceivable that these kids blossom in 2015 (I could definitely see Bogaerts improving great and Betts become an impact player and Bradley being a decent player and Vazquez being a gold glover and perhaps Marrero and/or Cecchini contributing along with Henry Owens) and we're now talking half the lineup. And somewhere else the Sox make an addition in LF and clear out the deadwood and then suddenly you have a competitive team. If the Sox know they can't bridge the gap with Lester this tells me that our odds of competing in 2015 decrease heavily. If that's the case get what you can for Lester and do the same with Lackey and Uehara because the Sox are in for another rebuilding year. |
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 28, 2014 16:14:00 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal ?@ken_Rosenthal 3m
Sources: #RedSox getting “hit hard” on both Lester and Lackey from most contenders, including AL East clubs.
Ken Rosenthal ?@ken_Rosenthal 3m
Lackey contract includes club option at minimum salary next season due to his Tommy John surgery. Adds to his value for both 2014 and ’15.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 29, 2014 19:47:53 GMT -5
Andy McCullough @mcculloughstar
The Royals have inquired on John Lackey, as @gordonedes reported. The Red Sox are said to be seeking a sizable return.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 29, 2014 19:52:39 GMT -5
Copying from Miller trade proposal thread:
Review of top KC prospects:
Mondesi (#1, #43 MLB, #22 BA, #56 Sickels) - just turned 19 (extremely young for level), struggling offensively in high-A ball, toolsy, with excellent bat speed, should stay at SS
Manaea (#3, #74 MLB, #69 Sickels) - 22YO in high-A, has performed well, albeit with some command issues, was consensus top 5 pick before late hip injury, profiles as #2 starter
Dozier (#4, #93 MLB, #39 BA, #68 Sickels) - turns 23 in a month, struggling in AA after performing very well in high-A ball, should stay at 3B, profiles as middle-of-the-order hitter assuming power continues to develop
Almonte (#5) - 21YO in high-A ball, has two above-average pitches and good command, if he develops a third pitch, could be a middle-of-the-rotation starter
Binford (#8) - 21YO in AA, groundball pitcher, excellent command, average fastball, needs to develop third pitch, profiles as middle-of-the-rotation starter if everything breaks right and a solid reliver otherwise
(Zimmer is hurt and is therefore not included)
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Post by rider on Jul 29, 2014 22:51:54 GMT -5
If Lester goes somewhere else besides STL, could we get Piscotty for Lackey?
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 29, 2014 23:47:52 GMT -5
If Lester goes somewhere else besides STL, could we get Piscotty for Lackey? If we ask nicely. Yes, absolutely. A Lackey package would be as big as a Lester package because of the additional (cheap) year. |
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Post by nomar on Jul 30, 2014 1:31:09 GMT -5
If Lester goes somewhere else besides STL, could we get Piscotty for Lackey? If we ask nicely. Yes, absolutely. A Lackey package would be as big as a Lester package because of the additional (cheap) year. I would think so too, but if you read rumors everything written is toned as if Lester would easily get more. I have to think this isn't the case. |
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Post by jdb on Jul 30, 2014 8:11:01 GMT -5
I really don't see Lackey playing anywhere at $500K and I don't want to do a two year $20 million extension to keep him here. I think he could still be very tradable this offseason (Justin Upton or Heyward) but if someone makes a desperate trade attempt you pounce and worry about the 2015 starting rotation next year.
Ive seen where the pitcher from Japan is probably getting posted, there could be some trade targets like Latos a few years ago who came out of the blue ( some think SD dangles Cashner, could AJ Cole or Giollito push someone out in DC) Shields could be in play to replace him at the top of the rotation and every year theres a player who doesn't have a seat when the free agent music stops. Anyway I just don't see if we trade both Lester and Lackey that means we aren't trying to be competitive in 2015.
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Post by kmann on Jul 30, 2014 9:32:30 GMT -5
I really do not see Lackey taking a year off. I am sure he wants another 3 years or so after next year. Taking a year off would see his value plummet. That said, I would trade him to a team that loses out on Lester ONLY if we get a top pitching prospect in return. While I like our young pitchers, I am not sure at this point that any one of them is ready to be a top of the rotation guy in 2015.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jul 30, 2014 10:33:01 GMT -5
My honest opinion on Lackey's contract, he signed the contract, he was paid while injured which is why we put that clause in, and he should honor his commitment. I do get it though, he has completely rebuilt his value, and now he has to play a year for basically free, and risk injury that could basically put an end to his earning potential. I think you add a mutual option to the end of the 500k. Give him 15M mutual option for 2016 with a decent sized buyout, 3-4M. I think that is fair for both sides. Other option would be to integrate the 500k into a 2-3 year extension, but that's based more on the clubs interest than his.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 30, 2014 11:05:24 GMT -5
I really do not see Lackey taking a year off. I am sure he wants another 3 years or so after next year. Taking a year off would see his value plummet. That said, I would trade him to a team that loses out on Lester ONLY if we get a top pitching prospect in return. While I like our young pitchers, I am not sure at this point that any one of them is ready to be a top of the rotation guy in 2015. I completely agree. I think he's a super competitive guy and isn't going to take a year off or retire while he's pitching like a #2. If he were pitching like Dempster or like before he had TJS, then it's easy to believe he'd retire. He's just not coming out and saying that because his agent probably told him not to so he has some leverage for an extension. |
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Post by jdb on Jul 30, 2014 11:13:33 GMT -5
Lackey at $500K is almost pitching for free after taxes, agent and clubhouse fee's. I just don't see that at all.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 30, 2014 11:14:50 GMT -5
Lackey at $500K is almost pitching for free after taxes, agent and clubhouse fee's. I just don't see that at all. Really? How does Nava and the rest of the guys making $500k eat? |
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jul 30, 2014 11:15:02 GMT -5
Lackey at $500K is almost pitching for free after taxes, agent and clubhouse fee's. I just don't see that at all. Neither does Lackey |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 30, 2014 11:24:25 GMT -5
I really do not see Lackey taking a year off. I am sure he wants another 3 years or so after next year. Taking a year off would see his value plummet. That said, I would trade him to a team that loses out on Lester ONLY if we get a top pitching prospect in return. While I like our young pitchers, I am not sure at this point that any one of them is ready to be a top of the rotation guy in 2015. I completely agree. I think he's a super competitive guy and isn't going to take a year off or retire while he's pitching like a #2. If he were pitching like Dempster or like before he had TJS, then it's easy to believe he'd retire. He's just not coming out and saying that because his agent probably told him not to so he has some leverage for an extension. If he sat out a year, wouldn't the Sox keep his rights at that contract figure until he played? I don't think he could just sit out like that... |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 30, 2014 11:27:00 GMT -5
I completely agree. I think he's a super competitive guy and isn't going to take a year off or retire while he's pitching like a #2. If he were pitching like Dempster or like before he had TJS, then it's easy to believe he'd retire. He's just not coming out and saying that because his agent probably told him not to so he has some leverage for an extension. If he sat out a year, wouldn't the Sox keep his rights at that contract figure until he played? I don't think he could just sit out like that... Supposedly, he'd be a free agent. I just don't see how he could do it and still be a good pitcher. |
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Post by taftreign on Jul 30, 2014 12:29:36 GMT -5
If he sat out a year, wouldn't the Sox keep his rights at that contract figure until he played? I don't think he could just sit out like that... Supposedly, he'd be a free agent. I just don't see how he could do it and still be a good pitcher. I think the Red Sox can take action to secure his rights if he chooses to sit out while healthy. You can't just choose to not play and become a free agent the next season. Someone with insight into the CBA can hopefully help us out. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 30, 2014 12:53:05 GMT -5
Supposedly, he'd be a free agent. I just don't see how he could do it and still be a good pitcher. I think the Red Sox can take action to secure his rights if he chooses to sit out while healthy. You can't just choose to not play and become a free agent the next season. Someone with insight into the CBA can hopefully help us out. We've already discussed this extensively. Someone even emailed MLB and was answered. Regardless, I don't think he'd ever sit out for any reason. |
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Post by sibbysisti on Jul 30, 2014 13:00:21 GMT -5
Lackey at $500K is almost pitching for free after taxes, agent and clubhouse fee's. I just don't see that at all. Funny, Gammons said the same thing yesterday on MLB radio. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 30, 2014 13:02:35 GMT -5
Lackey at $500K is almost pitching for free after taxes, agent and clubhouse fee's. I just don't see that at all. Funny, Gammons said the same thing yesterday on MLB radio. If he can't pitch for almost free, I guess he can't retire either. |
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Post by kmann on Jul 30, 2014 13:46:17 GMT -5
Funny, Gammons said the same thing yesterday on MLB radio. If he can't pitch for almost free, I guess he can't retire either. I would pitch for free in 2015 if I could potentially get a 3/$55M deal for 2016-2018. If I sit out in 2015, maybe at best some team gives me a one year deal for less than the AAV of the 3/$55M deal. |
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Post by pedroiaesque on Jul 30, 2014 13:48:34 GMT -5
My honest opinion on Lackey's contract, he signed the contract, he was paid while injured which is why we put that clause in, and he should honor his commitment. I do get it though, he has completely rebuilt his value, and now he has to play a year for basically free, and risk injury that could basically put an end to his earning potential. I think you add a mutual option to the end of the 500k. Give him 15M mutual option for 2016 with a decent sized buyout, 3-4M. I think that is fair for both sides. Other option would be to integrate the 500k into a 2-3 year extension, but that's based more on the clubs interest than his. I couldn't agree more. Of course he wants to get paid a salary that he feels is commensurate with his skills on the mound and the current market rate. But he was paid handsomely for pitching like crap in 2011 and then getting in "the best shape of his life" while rehabbing during the 2012 season. |
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Post by taftreign on Jul 30, 2014 13:58:01 GMT -5
I think the Red Sox can take action to secure his rights if he chooses to sit out while healthy. You can't just choose to not play and become a free agent the next season. Someone with insight into the CBA can hopefully help us out. We've already discussed this extensively. Someone even emailed MLB and was answered. Regardless, I don't think he'd ever sit out for any reason. Sorry, must have missed this. Any idea which thread and time frame? |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 30, 2014 13:59:40 GMT -5
We've already discussed this extensively. Someone even emailed MLB and was answered. Regardless, I don't think he'd ever sit out for any reason. Sorry, must have missed this. Any idea which thread and time frame? No idea, sorry. A month or two ago. |
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