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Post by dmaineah on Nov 15, 2013 13:48:06 GMT -5
who do you think should be added to the 40 man roster and avoid the rule 5 draft? I voted for Brentz, Cecchini & Renaudo
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Post by soxfan06 on Nov 15, 2013 13:54:20 GMT -5
Cecchini and Ranaudo are the only ones that I look at and say we can't lose those guys. I'd like to keep them all, but I wouldn't lose sleep if we lost anyone else.
I voted for De La Cruz along with those two.
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Post by bmitchsox on Nov 15, 2013 14:12:58 GMT -5
Cecchini and Ranaudo are the only ones that I look at and say we can't lose those guys. I'd like to keep them all, but I wouldn't lose sleep if we lost anyone else. I voted for De La Cruz along with those two. Completely agree, Cecchini and Ranaudo are no-brainers. I voted for Brentz and Diaz as well, but they're not of dire importance.
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Post by raftsox on Nov 15, 2013 15:01:38 GMT -5
Brentz, Cecchini and RAnaudo.
No reasons beyond the obvious.
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Post by jmei on Nov 15, 2013 15:18:28 GMT -5
Cecchini and Ranaudo are the only ones that I look at and say we can't lose those guys. I'd like to keep them all, but I wouldn't lose sleep if we lost anyone else. I voted for De La Cruz along with those two. This might just be an oversight, but why would you protect De La Cruz but not Brentz?
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Post by steveofbradenton on Nov 15, 2013 16:00:55 GMT -5
Brentz, Cecchini and R Anaudo. No reasons beyond the obvious. The ONLY other possible player I would consider is Diaz. BUT, lets face it.....several positions will be in play after we re-sign or sign free agents. For that reason, it is probably not even necessary to add someone like Diaz, who will lose his spot on the 40 anyway. For some reason I thought it may be more difficult, but then I remembered all of the additions we made of some of our young talent during the season. As always it will be interesting who finally left off. by the way....I'm pretty sure I'm going to need a NEW picture!!
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Post by GyIantosca on Nov 15, 2013 17:07:07 GMT -5
I am high on Brentz, I really hope he has a great spring training because he has power along with Wmb that is the closest to the Majors.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 15, 2013 18:05:11 GMT -5
Well if he can avoid shooting himself he'll have a leg up on last year.
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Post by mainesox on Nov 15, 2013 19:32:56 GMT -5
Well if he can avoid shooting himself he'll have a leg up on last year. He really needs to aim high this year. If he doesn't make something of himself soon he'll have guys gunning for his roster spot, and they might just pull the trigger and trade him.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 15, 2013 19:57:44 GMT -5
Puns, puns everywhere.
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Post by njsox on Nov 15, 2013 21:44:44 GMT -5
Drop Bailey
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Post by TheCerebral1 on Nov 15, 2013 21:47:35 GMT -5
The obvious three, and Luis Diaz.
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Post by taftreign on Nov 15, 2013 21:59:28 GMT -5
Do you guys think Luis Diaz would stick on a Major League roster for the entire season as a bullpen arm? I definitely like protecting his talent but he hasn't pitched above High A with only 2 total games started at Salem.
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Post by jmei on Nov 15, 2013 22:29:17 GMT -5
I'm willing to take my chances with Diaz. He ended last season with a handful of innings in Salem and so almost certainly won't stick on a major-league roster all season (barring a major injury). Adding him also starts his option clock at least two years before he projects to be MLB ready, which means he'll be out of options by the time he's 24 and realistically knocking on the door. Remember, that happened with Stolmy Pimentel, and it usually means you'll have to lose him anyways.
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Post by chieeef00 on Nov 16, 2013 0:09:04 GMT -5
Andrew Bailey needs to be non-tendered. MLBTradeRumors.com projects him to make $4.3MM through arbitration. I think that salary wiggle room plus the 40-man roster slot wiggle room (ability to protect one more prospect) is worth more than keeping Bailey around and MAYBE he pitches effectively at some point this season. (Plus he can be offered less on a minor league contract, maybe he would take it and stick around. Who's going to offer him a major league deal right now?)
Also, the Red Sox are going to sign another catcher. They don't need 5 catchers on the 40-man roster, so either Butler or Lavarnway should be traded.
Ranaudo, Cecchini, and Brentz need to be protected. Cases can be made for Almanzar, Linares, Diaz, and Kurcz. (I see the 40-man flush with OF as well so I don't see De La Cruz protected.)
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Post by taftreign on Nov 16, 2013 0:20:32 GMT -5
That's what I thought as well on Diaz. That's why I selected Almanzar as the 4th choice. He seems like the most obvious candidate after Cecchini, Ranaudo and Brentz with an outside chance to stick on a roster as a bench bat. At 23 still has some upside potential, can play a position of need in 1B and offers value as a tradeable commodity.
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Post by ericmvan on Nov 16, 2013 0:31:40 GMT -5
Adding a 4th player like Almanzar or Diaz means the roster is at 39 after you non-tender Bailey.
Now, you need to add a catcher, at least one position player (e.g., Napoli), probably a RHR, and probably a backup SS. Now you're up to 43.
You're probably trading Jake Peavy (or Demspter or Morales) and Dan Butler (or Lavarnway), but if you add a 4th guy, it likely means DFA'ing Villareal, or trading Wilson, or doing something else counter-productive.
Oh, and who opted not to protect Cechhini?
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Post by taftreign on Nov 16, 2013 0:49:14 GMT -5
Yes I get that signings change things but for this exercise I was working with the premise there are 4 openings. I wasn't attempting to project forward.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 16, 2013 1:24:15 GMT -5
This winter's version of Tejada, who wasted roster space for 2 seasons and can add KDLC as same future talent level pretty much as Almanzar. Neither are going to make it with Boston and if the Sox had anything at 1b, then people wouldn't be thinking of wasting a spot with Almanzar now.
Beyond the only 3 that are really considered locks (and I really don't want Brentz anyway and would like to see him moved over the winter in a deal) to be protected are 2 guys nobody will take, in Kurcz and Matty Price, then Luis Diaz that is pretty safe, only because he's not LH and only thrown at A Ball makes him unlikely.
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Post by bjb406 on Nov 16, 2013 1:27:13 GMT -5
Ranaudo, Brentz, and Cecchini are obvious; they could all reasonably make our opening day roster if things broke right for them, certainly a lot of teams would take them if unprotected. I would also protect Almanzar because I think you could find a team willing to stash him as will to take him in rule 5 and stash him as a bench guy they could potentially groom for a corner. That would put the roster at 40, while not having figured out starting 1b, starting C, and backup middle infielder, but I figure one way or another 1 or two guys are likely to be traded away, and we could end up filling any of those spots in house. The first guy I would push of the 40 man is Steven Wright.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 16, 2013 9:55:36 GMT -5
I really think it's the big three and no one else. To me you protect guys for a couple reasons and if they don't fall there you kept them go unprotected.
1. Can they help the big club potentially in 2014 2. Are they really important prospects to the system (can mean a bunch of things)
Cecchini, Ranaudo and Brentz hit both. Almanzar hits none. A couple arms you could argue could possibly help the big clubby year end, but then you look at who's in front and what they need to do its not worth protecting them.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 16, 2013 10:41:23 GMT -5
Keith Couch. That's it.
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Post by larrycook on Nov 17, 2013 9:36:06 GMT -5
If we added Ranaldo, Cecchini and Brentz, then we need a list of guys to take off the 40 man when we sign some free agents?
We all love prospects, however how many non Boston MLB team players can we realistically hope to have on our 40 man roster before the product we put on the field in April starts to suffer?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 17, 2013 14:58:24 GMT -5
For one thing, I think there's nearly no chance the Sox fill the 40-man. If there are four spots open, they won't use more than three when the options for the fourth are all super-fringy. They RARELY use every available spot like that at this point of the offseason. Don't pick four guys just because you think they're going to use all four spots. They'll only protect guys if A) they think the player will stick on a major league roster and B) the player is actually in danger of being selected. I think Cecchini and Ranaudo are obvious. I think Brentz gets protected. I don't think they'll be worried about Almanzar getting picked (seriously, go look at his final Double-A line, and keep in mind he's a poor fielder). I have begun to wonder about Diaz, even if only b/c he's a LHP. But that said, I think teams would be wary of picking a guy with so little experience above Low A. That said, could be a situation like Jose Capellan in 2007-08 the more I think about it. Would he stick? De La Cruz was bad in High A this year and has a poor plate approach. No chance there I think. Andrew Bailey needs to be non-tendered. MLBTradeRumors.com projects him to make $4.3MM through arbitration. I think that salary wiggle room plus the 40-man roster slot wiggle room (ability to protect one more prospect) is worth more than keeping Bailey around and MAYBE he pitches effectively at some point this season. (Plus he can be offered less on a minor league contract, maybe he would take it and stick around. Who's going to offer him a major league deal right now?) Also, the Red Sox are going to sign another catcher. They don't need 5 catchers on the 40-man roster, so either Butler or Lavarnway should be traded. Ranaudo, Cecchini, and Brentz need to be protected. Cases can be made for Almanzar, Linares, Diaz, and Kurcz. (I see the 40-man flush with OF as well so I don't see De La Cruz protected.) Welcome to the site. I think you're mostly spot on, but disagree that cases can be made for Linares and Kurcz. Linares was demoted from Pawtucket to Portland last year and spent much of the previous season in Portland. He also doesn't play center field anymore really. He's an org guy. As for Kurcz, I can't see a team taking a guy after he missed the entire previous season when he would've been fringy even if he weren't coming off of Tommy John.
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Post by patrmac04 on Nov 20, 2013 11:56:36 GMT -5
w ho do you think should be added to the 40 man roster and avoid the rule 5 draft? I voted for Brentz, Cecchini & Renaudo I'm not sure what happened to my last post. I hope this doesn't double post, but I am surprised that there isn't more action in this thread as it is the day the 40 man rosters must be set for the Rule 5 draft. Read on the twitter that Sox are adding Ranaudo, Cecchini, and Brentz only and also heard it on WEEI... with 4 spots open and only 3 players protected does that mean that the Sox might have signed a player that we have not heard of yet? I'm hoping it is Corey Hart personally as I think there is a great fit there... but what does everyone else feel about them only protecting three kids?
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