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Post by bmitchsox on Dec 10, 2013 0:14:19 GMT -5
I really hope Ben can pull of a myers/shields type of move. The Cubs are looking for pitching, and maybe/hopefully they're willing to let go of one of their prospects. I was thinking something like Doubront, Middlebrooks and Britton for Baez. Or Lackey, Brentz and Lava for Soler. Im guessing Baez is untouchable, but i'd love to see him in a sox uni. Maybe Theo is still in love with some of our guys and willing to make a move.
Maybe someone buys high on Buchholz' Cy-Young type of start last year. Maybe Buchholz, Owens, Middlebrooks, Dempster and Carp for CarGo and Tulo.
Maybe Peavy, Dempster and Butler to the Braves for Maurcio Cabrera (#6 Atl Prosp)
Lackey, Owens, Carp, Brentz and Lava for Stanton? (PLEASE BEN)
Just random thoughts. Hopefully Ben can turn some of our veteran pitching into high-upside prospects. After Lackey's amazing season, i'd rather sell high on him now and give someone like Workman, Webster or Ruby a shot.
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Post by charliezink16 on Dec 10, 2013 4:53:27 GMT -5
I don't mean to single you out brother (because I see it every day) but all of those trades are unreasonable. No team is going to trade for Demp unless we pick up salary and get a C-level prospect in return. Additionally, Brentz & Butler are fringe prospects who add little value. I even see Morales included in a lot of proposed packages, when he's a borderline DFA candidate.
Regarding the Cubs, no way they trade from the farm to address an immediate need. Theo has a plan intact.
If we're going to propose trades for guys like Tulo, CarGo, Stanton, etc. I'd say you've gotta start w/ 2 of Cecchini/Bradley/Owens/Swihart plus 2 of Ranaudo/Webster/Workman/RDLR/Barnes and a high ceiling flyer such as Rijo or Margot. That would be hard to swallow, but acquiring a 6+WAR player comes at a cost. No prospect is a sure thing, just look at the package Detroit send to Florida when acquiring Miggy. Cameron Maybin & Andrew Miller were consensus top 15 prospect in all of baseball (I believe) and look how that worked out. Guys like Britton & Brentz are descent prospects, no doubt about it, but they don't project to be impact players.
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Post by bmitchsox on Dec 10, 2013 11:42:18 GMT -5
Yeah I hear ya, I wouldnt mind them trading Bradley, Middlebrooks, Owens, Rijo and Lava for Stanton. Would that be a fair return? I think Cecchini is a stud, and Barnes could be something really special. What do you think Lackey and Peavy could net us?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 10, 2013 13:55:10 GMT -5
Yeah I hear ya, I wouldnt mind them trading Bradley, Middlebrooks, Owens, Rijo and Lava for Stanton. Would that be a fair return? I think Cecchini is a stud, and Barnes could be something really special. What do you think Lackey and Peavy could net us? If not Bogaerts, Stanton would cost the Sox Cecchini, Bradley, Owens, and Swihart most likely. That's a lot more than I'd like to see the Red Sox give up for a guy who was injured last year and didn't play that well. I agree that Stanton should be a target, but it's not like he's Babe Ruth and the Sox need to gut their system to go get him. The Sox did fine last year without Stanton playing in RF for them. The Sox need to keep their best prospects, trade surplus to fill needs, keep the payroll low as these kids graduate and save the big $ for when guys like Stanton reach free agency.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 10, 2013 15:13:00 GMT -5
Yeah I hear ya, I wouldnt mind them trading Bradley, Middlebrooks, Owens, Rijo and Lava for Stanton. Would that be a fair return? I think Cecchini is a stud, and Barnes could be something really special. What do you think Lackey and Peavy could net us? If not Bogaerts, Stanton would cost the Sox Cecchini, Bradley, Owens, and Swihart most likely. That's a lot more than I'd like to see the Red Sox give up for a guy who was injured last year and didn't play that well. I agree that Stanton should be a target, but it's not like he's Babe Ruth and the Sox need to gut their system to go get him. The Sox did fine last year without Stanton playing in RF for them. The Sox need to keep their best prospects, trade surplus to fill needs, keep the payroll low as these kids graduate and save the big $ for when guys like Stanton reach free agency. I don't think Stanton would cost that much. That's 4 top 100 prospects. I'm sure you'd have to give up a couple of them and some other good prospects like Webster, Betts, Brantz, etc. The Red Sox would be fools to trade those four players for Stanton. That's why I'd go after Kemp, would cost much less in terms of Prospects. If the Dodgers eat 30 million i'm all for it, if it doesn't require our elite prospects. I'd trade a Betts, Brentz, Britton, Wilson, even Webster, but I'm not trading Cecchini, Bradley, Owens or Swihart for him!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 10, 2013 15:19:34 GMT -5
Yeah I hear ya, I wouldnt mind them trading Bradley, Middlebrooks, Owens, Rijo and Lava for Stanton. Would that be a fair return? I think Cecchini is a stud, and Barnes could be something really special. What do you think Lackey and Peavy could net us? That is an ok trade and one in which the Marlins would have to really consider it. That being said, that's a lot of talent, a good young power hitting 3b, a major league ready CF, our best overall pitching prospect and a couple of young high end prospects. We are better off just keeping our players, Stanton didn't have a great year.
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Post by bmitchsox on Dec 10, 2013 16:41:54 GMT -5
I agree, it's a lot to unload. I hope some how Cherington can pull off a three team deal where we center our part around Lackey or Peavy, and don't give up X, Cecchini or Swihart. Maybe we send Lackey and Carp to a contender, they send a couple high prospects to MIA, and we add in say Webster, Betts and Rijo. Thats the type of deal im hoping Ben is plotting as we speak.
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Post by michael on Jan 7, 2014 13:48:29 GMT -5
I realize that this a "trade" thread but I'd suggest that before posting to it we should relisten to George Carlin's "Your junk; my stuff" monologue.
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Post by bmitchsox on Jan 16, 2014 20:34:13 GMT -5
With the Cubs making a huge push for Tanaka, maybe they're interested in another top pitcher to shape out their rotation. With Lester likely seeking a huge contract that BC might not want to get tied into, maybe Theo would be interested. How would you guys feel about this deal for both teams if the Cubs get Tanaka?
Cubs: Jon Lester, Brian Johnson
Sox: Albert Almora, Jorge Soler, Possible C Grade Prosp
Cubs would still have a solid amount of young hitters with Baez, Bryant, Rizzo, Castro, Alcantara, Jimenez, Candelario etc.
Lester, Tanaka, Samardzija and Jackson would be a nice start with their young core of hitters, plus Edwards and P. Johnson could be up in the near future.
In a couple years, an OF of Bradley, Almora and Soler could be pretty special.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 16, 2014 23:44:28 GMT -5
With the Cubs making a huge push for Tanaka, maybe they're interested in another top pitcher to shape out their rotation. With Lester likely seeking a huge contract that BC might not want to get tied into, maybe Theo would be interested. How would you guys feel about this deal for both teams if the Cubs get Tanaka? Cubs: Jon Lester, Brian Johnson Sox: Albert Almora, Jorge Soler, Possible C Grade Prosp Cubs would still have a solid amount of young hitters with Baez, Bryant, Rizzo, Castro, Alcantara, Jimenez, Candelario etc. Lester, Tanaka, Samardzija and Jackson would be a nice start with their young core of hitters, plus Edwards and P. Johnson could be up in the near future. In a couple years, an OF of Bradley, Almora and Soler could be pretty special. It makes no sense for the Sox to deal Lester in 2014 or for the Cubs to obtain Lester in 2014. Nor does it make sense for them to deal those two young outfielders. If they want Lester they'll have to pay more huge money for him as a free agent for the 2015 season. They're not going to deal their minor league talent. Winning in 2014 for the Cubs isn't a big deal. Stockpiling for 2016 for the Cubs certainly is and Tanaka at his young age plays into that. The Sox are trying to repeat as World Champs in 2014. Dumping Lester, their most reliable pitcher, does nothing to help that. Theo would say no to the deal and Ben would say no to the deal. They're two teams on two different paths. The Sox are trying to get young but are still trying to compete. The Cubs aren't as interested in competing in 2014 as they are in building a kick-butt young team in 2015 and 2016 that would feature Almora and Soler in the OF, Bryant at 3b, Olt somewhere in the picture - perhaps in the OF, Rizzo at 1b, Baez at SS and Castro perhaps moving to 2b with Tanaka perhaps leading the staff.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 17, 2014 11:29:57 GMT -5
Yeah, if the Cubs wanted anything from the Sox, it would be pitcher prospects. Since prospect for prospect deals never happen, no point in thinking about it.
I'd do an Owens for Soler deal though as long as we're dreaming up possible trades.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 17, 2014 12:06:11 GMT -5
Yeah, if the Cubs wanted anything from the Sox, it would be pitcher prospects. Since prospect for prospect deals never happen, no point in thinking about it. I'd do an Owens for Soler deal though as long as we're dreaming up possible trades. Soler is good, but the injury history and attitude scare me a little.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 17, 2014 12:38:20 GMT -5
Yeah, if the Cubs wanted anything from the Sox, it would be pitcher prospects. Since prospect for prospect deals never happen, no point in thinking about it. I'd do an Owens for Soler deal though as long as we're dreaming up possible trades. Soler is good, but the injury history and attitude scare me a little. I don't know. I'm just thinking of something they would take. I don't see the point for either team in reality other than we have tons of pitching prospects and not much for the OF.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jan 17, 2014 14:15:31 GMT -5
Don't try to razionalize something that's not rational.
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