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Dan Butler, the next Daniel Nava?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 27, 2013 16:17:31 GMT -5
Dan Butler, who is 27, signed with the Red Sox as a UDFA in 2009 for $10,000. He has since worked his way up through the organization and has hit fairly well at AAA with a slash line of .262/.350/.479/.829 14 HR and a K/BB of 59/34. According to the scouting report on this site, he is considered to be strong behind the dish.
Now, what I mean by "the next Daniel Nava" is that he appears to be a strong candidate to come out of no where and have a very positive impact on the team. Catchers, in general, are terrible which is illustrated by Russel Martin having a 4.3 WAR with a line of .226/.327/.377/.703.
Slow day at work.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 27, 2013 16:21:47 GMT -5
I'd say he's more likely the next AAAA catcher that winds up with a couple hundred major league games as a backup for some team someday. But probably not for us.
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Post by moonstone2 on Dec 27, 2013 20:55:31 GMT -5
A Quad A catcher is a guy like Kevin Cash who had defensive chops but was pretty much an automatic out. I think Butler is better than that. The Sox obviously really like him.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Dec 27, 2013 21:15:43 GMT -5
I'm thinking he's the next Mark Wagner, but I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Dec 27, 2013 21:29:58 GMT -5
Actually a pretty good comparison. I would be shocked if Lavarnway is around after spring training, and probably before. But, Mr. Butler is another story. The Red Sox have got to be very happy that Butler is going to be available for another year in Pawtucket with the boys in Fenway having TWO 37 year old catchers going north in 2014. Hopefully, we don't find out but an injury to one of those guys could happen, and I believe Dan Butler is capable of playing a couple of games a week for the parent club. With Vazquez and Swihart not ready, it is nice having such insurance.
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Post by jmei on Dec 27, 2013 22:21:41 GMT -5
A Quad A catcher is a guy like Kevin Cash who had defensive chops but was pretty much an automatic out. I think Butler is better than that. The Sox obviously really like him. Kevin Cash is actually a pretty good comp for Butler. Both were college catchers primarily known for their defensive acumen who went undrafted (think about how rare this is in a sport with 40 draft rounds). Neither wowed the scouts much at the plate, but both put together pretty good statistical performances as they slowly made their way up the ladder. Cash, for instance, hit .247/.339/.445/.785 in 518 PAs as a 24-year-old in AA/AAA in 2002 and .270/.331/.442/.772 in 360 PAs as a 25-year-old in AAA in 2003 before getting called up to the majors. For comparison's sake, Butler is coming off a .247/.342/.403/.746 season as a 25-year-old in AA/AAA in 2012 and a .262/.350/.479/.829 season as a 26-year-old in AAA in 2013. Cash, of course, was pretty terrible in the majors (career .183/.248/.278), and he could never make enough good contact to stick for any stretch of time (career 27.3% K). I'm slightly more optimistic with Butler, but not that much more so (I think he can be a backup guy, but is more likely an up-and-down type). Remember, like Cash, Butler has always been old for his league (or, at the very least, he's never been age-advanced), so you have to take his offensive stats with a grain of salt. Neither has ever flashed noteworthy tools, and Butler's scouting report is pretty bland. It's tough to rely much on MLE-type projections for a 26-year-old in AAA with mediocre scouting reports. In particular, I've anecdotally noticed that a lot of catchers with this profile see a pretty big jump in their strikeout rate in the majors. For instance, Cash's strikeout rate of 22.4% in 2002/03 jumped to 27.3% in the majors. Tim Federowicz's 20.3% career AAA strikeout rate jumped to 32.1% in the majors (albeit in only 193 PAs). That's the big trap I see with Butler-- can his average bat speed catch up to enough big-league-caliber fastballs to keep his strikeouts in check at the big league level? I'm not terribly optimistic. As you alluded to, the offensive bar at catcher is set really low, and Butler just needs to stay afloat at the plate to have the chance to stick as a backup type. His defensive reputation has always been positive, and he has some of the peripheral skills (a little patience and pop) to hold his own offensively if he can hit for average at the major league level. But his bat is still pretty fringy, and he's old enough that he's not really a prospect with much of a ceiling. He'll at a shot at the major leagues, and with two options left, he's the kind of up-and-down third catcher that front offices like to have in their organization to protect against injuries. It looks for now like he'll stay around the organization, but I'm glad he's more of a depth option than a core guy. I remember some posters arguing that he should be the de facto starting option in 2014, and I'm glad the front office decided not to go in that direction.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 27, 2013 23:05:51 GMT -5
What some of us were arguing for, at least I was, is exactly the role he'll likely play, as insurance and as a reliable fallback. That's something the team may need if anything happens to Ross. Both the incumbents are old enough that it's smart to have a third option in any case. Given his skillset and the options, he seems the logical choice. I believe they've cultivated him for exactly this role.
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Post by patrmac04 on Jan 3, 2014 21:45:55 GMT -5
I don't know about you guys, but I think that Alex Hassan is the most likely candidate for the Daniel Nava award. This award can go out to the guy who didn't have the best tools except the one that matters the most... the ability to hit. I think Hassan is making a good case to be the replacement for Gomes after next year. He has consistently shown an ability to get on base at all levels. I remember some discussions about why the Sox protected him before last year's rule 5 draft around here and there was some debate on it. I think he is the prototype of a player that they look for in a supporting role that can hit while cost controlled on a budget for many years to come.
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Post by ethanbein on Feb 3, 2014 0:32:32 GMT -5
Was just looking through the ZiPS projections for the Sox, and ZiPS is pretty high on Butler: a mediocre .231/.302/.374 line, but good for 1.4 WAR over 388 PA, not too shabby at all. I hope we get a good look at him if/when one of our catchers gets injured this year, as he looks like he could be a decent major league backup, www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2014-zips-projections-boston-red-sox/
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