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Post by ramireja on Feb 19, 2015 11:48:48 GMT -5
I'm putting my money on the Aruban...
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 19, 2015 11:53:11 GMT -5
I'm putting my money on the Aruban... When in doubt, always put the money on the Aruban.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 19, 2015 12:48:30 GMT -5
At this point, you have to wonder if they have eyes for fielding 2 DSL teams. That's a lot of guys and only one guy got released (Samir El Halaby).
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Post by lennsakata on Feb 19, 2015 13:13:56 GMT -5
I'm assuming these are all or mostly sub $100k guys (don't count against bonus pool/overage tax). Do we only find out about those over $100k typically? I feel like there are a lot of unknown bonuses when looking through profiles of international free agents on this site. I guess that would make sense in way of being public record towards the bonus pool.
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 19, 2015 13:30:36 GMT -5
At this point, you have to wonder if they have eyes for fielding 2 DSL teams. That's a lot of guys and only one guy got released (Samir El Halaby). Had the same exact thought. They now have the 17 players Jon mentioned (minus one really since Cubillan is supended already) + 5 more players I mentioned above. On top of that, Soxprospects projects 33 players that already were in the system to play in the DSL in 2015. Sure, some of those 33 will be released or be playing in GCL or XST. But in total you've 55 players for one team. That seems like a lot. Maybe we'll see a VSL team again?
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Feb 19, 2015 14:46:17 GMT -5
No on a VSL team. That is definitely not happening.
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 19, 2015 14:48:29 GMT -5
No on a VSL team. That is definitely not happening. That was more of a joke. I probably should've put it in italics. Serious question: What do you think about the chances of a second DSL team?
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Feb 19, 2015 21:58:27 GMT -5
Chances are very good
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Post by ramireja on Feb 20, 2015 1:26:19 GMT -5
I've never understood why the number of DSL teams isn't held constant across organizations. Is this not viewed as an advantage? Or is it just a negligible advantage for a farm system in the eyes of MLB? If these guys are viewed as lottery tickets, I'd much rather have 50 lottery tickets than 25...
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Feb 20, 2015 6:18:17 GMT -5
Some organizations cannot afford the costs of a second team. However it stuns me the Red Sox with their resources haven't had a second team.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 20, 2015 10:26:05 GMT -5
Bob Nightengale ?@bnightengale 57m57 minutes ago This is the 1st time since 1997, Japanese reporters note, that there will be no rookie Japanese player coming to an #MLB spring camp.
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Post by Smittyw on Feb 21, 2015 14:52:44 GMT -5
Ben Badler ?@benbadler 7m7 minutes ago Due to an MLB rule, Cuban pitchers Vladimir Gutierrez and Yadier Alvares will not be able to sign until July 2: bit.ly/1Byy1wrBen Badler ?@benbadler 6m6 minutes ago So you can count out the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Rays and D-Backs when it comes to signing Gutierrez or Alvares: bit.ly/1Byy1wr
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Post by nomar on Feb 22, 2015 8:18:59 GMT -5
@benbadler: Due to an MLB rule, Cuban pitchers Vladimir Gutierrez and Yadier Alvares will not be able to sign until July 2: t.co/4DKX825LvV
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Post by gerry on Feb 22, 2015 10:24:44 GMT -5
@benbadler: Due to an MLB rule, Cuban pitchers Vladimir Gutierrez and Yadier Alvares will not be able to sign until July 2: t.co/4DKX825LvVNew rule? ?
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Post by alnipper on Feb 22, 2015 12:55:47 GMT -5
It isn't new, but it is the first in which Cuban's are affected. I think it is because of where they defected to. The Dominican Republic and several other countries are under the rule. I may be wrong though.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Feb 22, 2015 12:59:49 GMT -5
Before posting make sure it's in the appropriate thread so you don't miss that it has been posted already.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Feb 23, 2015 12:17:12 GMT -5
Some organizations cannot afford the costs of a second team. However it stuns me the Red Sox with their resources haven't had a second team. With the bonus restriction for the next two years, it makes a lot of sense to go quantity over quality: get two DSL teams and just sign as many 300K and under guys as they can, build a big base of talent and hope for some guys to pop up out of it.
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Post by borisman on Feb 23, 2015 14:01:16 GMT -5
Some organizations cannot afford the costs of a second team. However it stuns me the Red Sox with their resources haven't had a second team. With the bonus restriction for the next two years, it makes a lot of sense to go quantity over quality: get two DSL teams and just sign as many 300K and under guys as they can, build a big base of talent and hope for some guys to pop up out of it. Sounds good brainthetoast. Do the Sox have the necessary resources in place to field a second team? We should be able to start one at least next year if not this year. It only makes sense.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Feb 25, 2015 15:40:29 GMT -5
Soooo I pretty much came running in here to say what the last 2 guys said.
I believe we will have a much bigger pool next year, so I'm sure the Sox are going to sign as many guys they can for around 300K
FWIW the following guys have signed for below $300,000 in recent years:
Javier Guerra $250K Victor Acosta $50K Heri Quevedo $150K Kevin Heras $110K
and if we go back a little further a few other notables are:
Stolmy Pimentel $25K Yamaico Navarro $20K Felix Doubront $150K Hanley Ramirez $20K
Without much insight I would speculate that the international landscape is a little different today than it was when we signed Hanely Ramirez for twenty thousand dollars. But still, the Sox seem to have a decent track record at finding talent in the international market at bargain prices.
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Post by ramireja on Feb 25, 2015 16:24:49 GMT -5
Good call. I'll just add on that guys like Frank Montas, Jonathon Aro, Cleuluis Rondon, Roman Mendez, Gerson Bautista, German Taveras, Luis Diaz, Keury De La Cruz, and good friend Felix Doubront were all signed for <300k. I like the idea of getting as many guys into the system as possible (spread across 2 DSL teams), as I'm sure we would hit on a couple as prospects.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 25, 2015 21:31:19 GMT -5
It isn't new, but it is the first in which Cuban's are affected. I think it is because of where they defected to. The Dominican Republic and several other countries are under the rule. I may be wrong though. It was because they filed after the time limit for pre-Jun 2 availability. Nobody new can come into the picture now. In a way, that might have worked out good for the Sox. According to rumors, the Dodgers would have gone past $35m if they were going to pursue Moncada. If that's the case, maybe Alvarez not being available was the difference between the Dodgers going for both and the Dodgers holding out for next year. ADD: I will bet both the Dodgers and Cubs will do what the Yankees did this year and hope to be in a position to do what the Yankees could have done had they signed Moncada. Although it would have surprised me if Moncada held out until after Jul 2, it wouldn't surprise me if Ibanez does.
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Post by moonstone2 on Feb 25, 2015 22:00:26 GMT -5
Some organizations cannot afford the costs of a second team. However it stuns me the Red Sox with their resources haven't had a second team. With the bonus restriction for the next two years, it makes a lot of sense to go quantity over quality: get two DSL teams and just sign as many 300K and under guys as they can, build a big base of talent and hope for some guys to pop up out of it. I suspect that they will be making trades involving bonus slots. They likely won't get up to their bonus pool amount.
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Post by mredsox89 on Feb 26, 2015 18:57:36 GMT -5
Baseball America posted the pools for the next year of International signings today. Sox at 6th overall, $3.681M
Certainly plenty of opportunity to throw $300k at a lot of guys and hope one or two turn into "steals" at that price.
But it also wouldn't be a surprise at all for them to move some of the bonus slot money to sweeten other deals
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Post by greatscottcooper on Feb 27, 2015 12:16:25 GMT -5
Question here. I know in the rule 4 draft that bonus below 100K (I believe it is 100K) do not count towards a teams bonus pool; is there a similar threshold in the international market?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Feb 27, 2015 12:23:08 GMT -5
Badler answered this question on Twitter the other day. 10k is the number that does not count towards the pool.
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