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2014 Official Spring Training Thread
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Post by chavopepe2 on Feb 23, 2014 11:33:05 GMT -5
I believe it.
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Post by godot on Feb 23, 2014 11:45:49 GMT -5
Baseball is notorious for exaggerated heights for those actually below 5'11' and sometimes cutting off a few pounds. At one time several decade ago I had passes that allowed me to watch batting practice and warm-ups at old Mariner dome. I recall seeing Jerry Reed who was listed at 5"10" or so. I thought he was the bat boy. As a rule the heights and weights were fairly correct for those who were actually six feet or over, but guys who were actually about 5"6" grew some and added weight on the roster stuff. Back then many players were not actually physical specimens, and many looked like bookkeepers who were about to play a softball game for a keg of beer.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 23, 2014 12:18:17 GMT -5
Baseball is notorious for exaggerated heights for those actually below 5'11' and sometimes cutting off a few pounds. At one time several decade ago I had passes that allowed me to watch batting practice and warm-ups at old Mariner dome. I recall seeing Jerry Reed Jeremy Reed who was listed at 5"10" or so. I thought he was the bat boy. As a rule the heights and weights were fairly correct for those who were actually six feet or over, but guys who were actually about 5"6" grew some and added weight on the roster stuff. Back then many players were not actually physical specimens, and many looked like bookkeepers who were about to play a softball game for a keg of beer. Fixed...
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Post by charliezink16 on Feb 23, 2014 13:08:53 GMT -5
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 23, 2014 13:30:22 GMT -5
Prospect fans rejoice!:
Tim Britton ?@timbritton 30 min. Your Red Sox starting pitchers this week: Workman v. Northeastern, De La Rosa v. BC, Ranaudo v. MIN, Webster v. MIN.
Also:
Tim Britton ?@timbritton 18 min. Mike Carp told Red Sox staff when he got to camp he was open to playing third. Not a lot of experience there, but excited for challenge.
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Post by sarasoxer on Feb 23, 2014 13:44:11 GMT -5
Prospect fans rejoice!: Tim Britton ?@timbritton 30 min. Your Red Sox starting pitchers this week: Workman v. Northeastern, De La Rosa v. BC, Ranaudo v. MIN, Webster v. MIN. Also: Tim Britton ?@timbritton 18 min. Mike Carp told Red Sox staff when he got to camp he was open to playing third. Not a lot of experience there, but excited for challenge. Saw Carp at first fielding groundballs with Napoli recently. Obviously they were of the routine variety and non-pressure, but he looked pretty nimble. I did notice that on grounders to his right he did not move very much and tended to field them back-handed. On grounders toward the first base line he moved laterally more to field them head on. I hope that we do not let this guy go. I love his potential power bat from the left side. That is a nice asset to have. He is IMO, way unsung.
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Post by jdb on Feb 23, 2014 14:05:19 GMT -5
Didn't X measure 6'1 this week?
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Post by jimoh on Feb 23, 2014 14:36:23 GMT -5
Prospect fans rejoice!: Tim Britton ?@timbritton 30 min. Your Red Sox starting pitchers this week: Workman v. Northeastern, De La Rosa v. BC, Ranaudo v. MIN, Webster v. MIN. Also: Tim Britton ?@timbritton 18 min. Mike Carp told Red Sox staff when he got to camp he was open to playing third. Not a lot of experience there, but excited for challenge. 11 games at 3b in rookie league at 18 in 200-4, one game the next year.
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Post by azblue on Feb 23, 2014 16:19:20 GMT -5
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Post by brianthetaoist on Feb 23, 2014 16:35:32 GMT -5
This is why I've gone from very excited about Bogaerts to completely convinced he's going to be a star for a long time to come. If the big concerns scouts/execs can come up with are power and his makeup, two things I think are actually major strengths of Bogaerts ... I just haven't heard a credible reason for caution about him, beyond generic "rookies take time, there's an adjustment period, etc, etc."
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Post by godot on Feb 23, 2014 17:09:53 GMT -5
Interesting comments by Farrell on Clay B's nutrition habits, suggesting Clay needed to take "better" care of himself better to pitch a full season. I am surprised that it has taken them this long to "crack down'. At 29 he is not a kid anymore, and one would think that he would be more concerned about his eating and conditioning habits before this year, especially after brake down so much. Fried chicken and beer anyone?
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Post by beasleyrockah on Feb 23, 2014 17:45:46 GMT -5
Yeah it's tough to take Lauber's sources too seriously when they cite Xander's makeup as a potential issue. Take a lap and find new sources.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 23, 2014 18:19:45 GMT -5
Yeah it's tough to take Lauber's sources too seriously when they cite Xander's makeup as a potential issue. Take a lap and find new sources. This. Anyone who has any experience with Bogaerts talks about his 80 makeup. That's easily the most absurd thing I've read about a Sox prospect this winter. (Runner-up, if you're wondering, is seeing one purported prospect ranker give JBJ a 60 grade for his defense and grading Henry Owens' (non-existent) slider in the same piece.)
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 23, 2014 18:36:30 GMT -5
Oh boy oh boy oh boy Thursday vs Northeastern: Brandon Workman (2), Henry Owens (2), Noe Ramirez, Burke Badenhop. Thursday vs. Boston College: Rubby De La Rosa (2), Matt Barnes (2), Miguel Celestino, Tommy Layne, Alex Wilson. Friday vs. Twins: Anthony Ranaudo (2), Dalier Hinojosa (2), Francisco Cordero, Andrew Miller. Saturday at Twins: Allen Webster (2), Drake Britton (2), Brayan Villarreal, Jose Mijares. www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2014/02/red_sox_pitching_plans_for_later_this_week.html
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Post by chavopepe2 on Feb 23, 2014 18:44:24 GMT -5
Oh boy oh boy oh boy Thursday vs Northeastern: Brandon Workman (2), Henry Owens (2), Noe Ramirez, Burke Badenhop. Thursday vs. Boston College: Rubby De La Rosa (2), Matt Barnes (2), Miguel Celestino, Tommy Layne, Alex Wilson. Friday vs. Twins: Anthony Ranaudo (2), Dalier Hinojosa (2), Francisco Cordero, Andrew Miller. Saturday at Twins: Allen Webster (2), Drake Britton (2), Brayan Villarreal, Jose Mijares. www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2014/02/red_sox_pitching_plans_for_later_this_week.htmlAwesome. Does anyone know if the BC/Northeastern games will be on TV? They aren't listed on the Broadcast schedule.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 23, 2014 18:47:18 GMT -5
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Post by sarasoxer on Feb 23, 2014 20:15:45 GMT -5
Interesting comments by Farrell on Clay B's nutrition habits, suggesting Clay needed to take "better" care of himself better to pitch a full season. I am surprised that it has taken them this long to "crack down'. At 29 he is not a kid anymore, and one would think that he would be more concerned about his eating and conditioning habits before this year, especially after brake down so much. Fried chicken and beer anyone? I did not read those referenced comments but seeing Clay in the flesh......he looks pretty 'slim'....Certainly he has not put on muscle or substance. It is hard to imagine him surviving the rigors unscathed given his physique....but then.
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Post by godot on Feb 23, 2014 20:33:25 GMT -5
Sarasoxer, love your first hand comments. The Farrell comments can be found on todays' WEEI website.
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Post by ericmvan on Feb 23, 2014 21:30:12 GMT -5
If the big concerns scouts/execs can come up with are power and his makeup, two things I think are actually major strengths of Bogaerts ... I just haven't heard a credible reason for caution about him, beyond generic "rookies take time, there's an adjustment period, etc, etc." People have chimed in already about the makeup. Hey, who led all of MLB in average length of HR hit? Bogaerts, of course. And admittedly that's a bogus Bogaerts stat. But there were 95 guys in MLB who only homered once, and Bogaerts' went the furthest. And here's what's quite interesting. When you try to predict HR / Contact, and look at both average length of home runs hit, and maximum length of homers hit (minimum 12 HRs, which is the empirically determined point at which the correlation of the former with HRC starts to weaken), the average length of homers doesn't tell you anything at all. You get the best possible prediction by just using longest HR length. (And the correlation of maximum HR length to HRC holds all the way down to a minimum of 2 HR.) Furthermore, as you'd expect, you can refine the prediction by adding in times made contact. The fewer opportunities to hit a long bomb, the more impressive hitting one of a given length becomes. A guy with a 443 HR max in only 32 times making contact corresponds to a .091 HRC. Note well that this is not predictive. In a SSS, it could obviously be a fluke. What it does is translate the mammoth HR in Yankee stadium into a "how impressive is that" number that we can make more sense of. An .091 HRC would have ranked 8th in MLB (minimum 12 HR), after Davis, Dunn, Brandon Moss, Chris Carter, Pedro Alvarez, Miguel Cabrera, and Carlos Gonzalez. By the way, the only guy with a better correspondence is behemoth former Mariners prospect Carlos Peguero, who hit a 440 foot bomb while making contact just 4 times. We also all saw Bogaerts hit the top of a billboard for his first PawSox homer. He has silly power for a SS.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 23, 2014 23:35:42 GMT -5
Adding something to the Bogaerts HR at the toilet. I noticed a long time ago, when seeing a chart of the longest HRs in old Yankee stadium, that every single HR cited was pretty much dead right field by a left handed hitter or dead left field for a right handed hitter, ie, they were pull shots. Xander's HR went over the center of the Red Sox Bullpen which is left center field, not dead left. I'm guessing that won't be his longest career HR by a long shot.
I'm pretty sure that if HR angle was added to the equations, the impressiveness of that shot would be magnified.
A comment,a 1 HR sample size is not too small when you are measuring minimum concepts (known pre-emptive straw man statement).
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Post by jimoh on Feb 24, 2014 6:26:00 GMT -5
Adding something to the Bogaerts HR at the toilet. I noticed a long time ago, when seeing a chart of the longest HRs in old Yankee stadium, that every single HR cited was pretty much dead right field by a left handed hitter or dead left field for a right handed hitter, ie, they were pull shots. Xander's HR went over the center of the Red Sox Bullpen which is left center field, not dead left. I'm guessing that won't be his longest career HR by a long shot. I'm pretty sure that if HR angle was added to the equations, the impressiveness of that shot would be magnified. A comment,a 1 HR sample size is not too small when you are measuring minimum concepts (known pre-emptive straw man statement). Old Yankee Stadium as most people know was about 460 to LCF and 520 then in 1937 460 to CF, so Xander's 443-yard blast would not have left the park. Amazing that Dimaggio hit 46 hrs in 1937, 19 of them at home, and amazing to think what their totals would have been if he had been traded for Williams.
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Post by jmei on Feb 24, 2014 11:55:28 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 25, 2014 7:54:45 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 25, 2014 12:22:29 GMT -5
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Post by okin15 on Feb 25, 2014 13:42:27 GMT -5
Always nice to have a LHH on the infield, as it allows some platoon matchups.
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