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Ranking Changes - 5/2/14 - Mookie!
dd
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Post by dd on May 2, 2014 16:25:07 GMT -5
The Betts era has begun (well, for SP nerds anyhow). DetailsSummary:- Mookie Betts is # 1. He was at # 10 to start the spring.
- Blake Swihart moved up from 4 to 3. Blake ties . . . guess who for SP's highest ranked catcher ever? Answer below
- Matt Barnes up 3 to 5th this week.
- Christian Vazauez at # 9, up from 13.
- Manuel Margot hit a new high at # 12, up 3 for the week.
- Drake Britton dropped 3 to 14.
- Alex Wilson up from 29 to 26.
- Kieth Couch rose from 34 to 30.
- Miguel Celestiono is at 32. That's up 3 for the week and up 18 since his January ranking.
- Micky Pena is at 33. He's also up 3 and up 11 in the past 2 weeks.
- Carlos Asuaje is now 36. That's up 10 since last week. He was unranked just 3 weeks ago.
- Tzu-Wei Lin went the other way, dropping 6 spots to # 37.
- Justin Haley is another guy on a pretty good roll. He's 41st, a new high, up 3 for the week, and up 11 since March.
- Heiker Menesses fell 6 positions to 54.
- Aaron Kurcz is down 7 at # 57.
- Ranked for the first time is Jantzen Witte, # 59.
- Jonathon Aro finishes the top 60. He was last ranked at # 53 on 4/11.
- William Cuevas fell out of the rankings from # 59.
Answer: Kelly Shoppach
That was easy. How many other catchers can you name who have ever been ranked in the top 10 by SP? Don't look at the next post if you don't want the answers.
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dd
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Post by dd on May 2, 2014 16:26:21 GMT -5
Other top 10 catchers:
George Kottaras - # 5 - 4/6/7
Louis Exposito - # 9 - 6/19/10
Ryan Lavarnway - # 4 - 8/11/12
Christian Vasquez - # 9 - 5/2/14
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Post by dd on May 2, 2014 16:32:11 GMT -5
Can the mods edit the thread title to give the impression I know what year it is? I don't know how to do that.
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Post by ericmvan on May 3, 2014 0:13:50 GMT -5
Longest overdue change (this week or maybe last) was Christian Vazquez from the ridiculous 4 scouting scale to 5.
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Post by wskeleton76 on May 3, 2014 23:05:56 GMT -5
Time to notice Travis Shaw's resurgence.
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Post by jchang on May 4, 2014 10:42:41 GMT -5
Time to notice Travis Shaw's resurgence. second this, I am willing to be patient on exactly where Shaw should be ranked, and would settle for the temporary up arrow placeholder |
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Post by Mike Andrews on May 4, 2014 10:56:55 GMT -5
Shaw will probably get an up arrow and move up on Friday. At the same time, remember the "resurgence" is ~14 games after 168 games of mediocrity at the Double-A level. On the other hand, he also looked good in the AFL and there are some tools to like there.
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Post by jchang on May 4, 2014 11:37:10 GMT -5
Even during Shaw's mediocre 2013 + 2012 AA, both his OBP and SLG were above average. So the question is whether his recent surge just SSS, or is it because if of his new batting technique (leg kick?) and whether his recent performance projects to the MLB level. I would say that Shaw is good enough to warrant grade 3 - up and down player, with an upside of 4.
The big question is going forward, will he have above average BA or the Mookie-esque BA of his last 14 games?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 4, 2014 14:39:20 GMT -5
The leg kick isn't new. At least that's my understanding.
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Post by okin15 on May 5, 2014 13:27:11 GMT -5
I'd caution against going overboard on Asuaje. He's worth noticing, but is super old for his league (as you all know already). Continuing to hit well at A- doesn't tell us anything more than we already know.
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Post by jmei on May 5, 2014 13:52:09 GMT -5
Eh, Asuaje is definitely old for his level, but he's only something like a year older than he should be, and this is his first full year in the system. This isn't like a 24-year-old David Chester dominating Greenville. Asuaje is only 22, and it's not uncommon to see a three-year college guy start his career in Low-A. His success has also come with excellent peripherals, solid scouting reports, and at positions relatively high on the defensive spectrum. I agree that we shouldn't extrapolate too much based solely on his Greenville stats, but in my mind, he's definitely made himself into a legit prospect with major league potential (albeit probably with the ceiling of a utility option), whereas I would have thought of him more like a org guy before the season. |
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Post by Mike Andrews on May 5, 2014 16:47:44 GMT -5
I'd caution against going overboard on Asuaje. He's worth noticing, but is super old for his league (as you all know already). Continuing to hit well at A- doesn't tell us anything more than we already know. Serious question, not trying to be a jerk - do you think we've gone overboard? As jmei noted, our scouting department really liked Asuaje in spring training. And as you noted, we are well aware of age advancement and SSS issues. Personally, I think hitting like he has at any level for a month tells you something, especially when coupled with scouting observations. While it's always good to take things with a grain of salt, I don't think it's a great practice to discount everything based solely on age advancement and SSS. A player can only play at the level he's been assigned to, and nobody can accumulate 500 plate appearances in a month. |
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Post by jimed14 on May 5, 2014 16:49:10 GMT -5
How outrageous can picking anyone at 36 be?
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 5, 2014 17:54:53 GMT -5
Kinda funny, we've gotten a little jaded about the system. The Bogaerts, Betts, Rijos, and Owens of the world will do that.
Asuaje is only one level below age appropriate. I mentioned this in another thread: when he moves to Salem, which should happen shortly, and if he maintains any semblance of what he's shown in A ball, then the discussion gets serious. As it is he's probably the best position player on that Greenville team. That has to count for something as Mike points out.
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Post by okin15 on May 6, 2014 9:06:04 GMT -5
I'd caution against going overboard on Asuaje. He's worth noticing, but is super old for his league (as you all know already). Continuing to hit well at A- doesn't tell us anything more than we already know. Serious question, not trying to be a jerk - do you think we've gone overboard? As jmei noted, our scouting department really liked Asuaje in spring training. And as you noted, we are well aware of age advancement and SSS issues. Personally, I think hitting like he has at any level for a month tells you something, especially when coupled with scouting observations. While it's always good to take things with a grain of salt, I don't think it's a great practice to discount everything based solely on age advancement and SSS. A player can only play at the level he's been assigned to, and nobody can accumulate 500 plate appearances in a month. I was reacting to his steady rise the last few weeks. I don't know that I feel any better about him today than I did two weeks ago. If you look back, I was one of the first people to get excited (I think even last year), and then also one of the first to temper that excitement based on his age. I think 36 might be a little high, not much, but I'm mostly saying let's be cautious about continuing that rise. It's just, what else can he tell us right now other than "I'm ready for high-A guys"? Anyway, it's my opinion, and it's based on his results this year and last (he hit well in August and September last year), but of course I don't have the scouting info you have. Didin't mean to come off as negative, just putting my opinion on the table about an interesting player. |
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Post by Mike Andrews on May 6, 2014 9:25:37 GMT -5
Thanks okin - will keep that in mind. Always appreciate opinions on the rankings here, especially when people are willing to go out on a limb and post counter-opinions. We are not always right by any stretch of the imagination. I did not take your post as negative, just not sure I agree with it in this particular case, and it does seem like you get that we understand age advancement and SSS, so I might also question whether a caution was warranted in this case. In my opinion, it also seems contrary to be excited about a player on the one hand and on the other hand think that ranking him at 36 is high. To me, his performance bolsters the scouting reports we got from the spring.
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Post by soxfanatic on May 9, 2014 5:42:28 GMT -5
Kinda funny, we've gotten a little jaded about the system. The Bogaerts, Betts, Rijos, and Owens of the world will do that. Asuaje is only one level below age appropriate. I mentioned this in another thread: when he moves to Salem, which should happen shortly, and if he maintains any semblance of what he's shown in A ball, then the discussion gets serious. As it is he's probably the best position player on that Greenville team. That has to count for something as Mike points out. Wendell Rijo? |
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