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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2012 22:12:43 GMT -5
i don't see why vazquez was added. he is 22 and has only played 20 games in his career in AA and only hit .205 in that span. I'd rather the sox add hazelbaker or josh fields who are already at high levels and could make a big league impact soon. josh fields could be a very good reliever, and hazelbaker has close to 20/20 capabilties. but now, they have the risk of losing them both. despite vazquez's very good defense, i'd classify this as a bad move.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2012 22:17:16 GMT -5
the DeJesus fan club here does not understand why Sox called him up on 9-1 and gave him 8 AB all month. He can play LF but the opportunity went to Podsednick, even against the bad teams in meaningless games. And we are still annoyed that Aaron Cook got so much action in September. We are also Mortensen fans and don't want him on waivers. i agree with this. mortensen has the ability to start and they should have given him a chance. no idea why podsednik was playing every day. better off given the bat to kalish or nava.
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Post by wskeleton76 on Nov 22, 2012 22:22:01 GMT -5
i don't see why vazquez was added. he is 22 and has only played 20 games in his career in AA and only hit .205 in that span. I'd rather the sox add hazelbaker or josh fields who are already at high levels and could make a big league impact soon. josh fields could be a very good reliever, and hazelbaker has close to 20/20 capabilties. but now, they have the risk of losing them both. despite vazquez's very good defense, i'd classify this as a bad move. I like vazquez more than josh fields and hazelbaker but I agree with you. vazquez is two years away from big league. had better add him to 40 roster next season. It's too early.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 24, 2012 12:17:37 GMT -5
Vazquez is good enough defensively that a bad team could have stashed him for a year and had him catch 40 games with bad offense without losing anything on the defensive end. I think that his distance from being a true major leaguer made him less of a certainty to be added than others thought, but I wouldn't classify adding him as a mistake by any stretch, especially considering the Hassan addition.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 24, 2012 12:47:34 GMT -5
There's also the consideration moving forward. Whether a player will stick on the 40-man roster all season isn't the only consideration. Drake Britton was unlikely to stick with a team in 2012, of course. Vazquez has a good chance to be a valuable player in 2015. Not Allen Webster valuable, but with enough upside that you tighten the roster enough so that you don't risk losing him.
Additionally, Vazquez could probably be called upon if there are a couple injuries and provide a capable major league defensive catcher, even though he's likely to be overmatched offensively at this point. Those qualities are enough to make protection warranted.
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Post by bluechip on Dec 6, 2012 10:14:13 GMT -5
Thoughts?
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Post by soxfanatic on Dec 6, 2012 10:17:29 GMT -5
Alex Speier @alexspeier Tigers will get Kobernus
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Post by soxfanatic on Dec 6, 2012 10:21:00 GMT -5
Alex Speier @alexspeier Tigers will give Sox a non-roster player for Kobernus. Not final who yet...
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Post by bluechip on Dec 6, 2012 10:22:49 GMT -5
Haha. He really does not offer much besides being a pinch runner anyway.
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Post by amfox1 on Dec 6, 2012 10:35:44 GMT -5
Red Sox lose Fields and Pressly. Fields will likely stick; Pressly is less certain.
Red Sox select (but will trade to DET) Kobernus.
Red Sox select McGeary and Bachanov in minor league phase. Not really excited about either player.
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Post by bluechip on Dec 6, 2012 11:04:40 GMT -5
The extra year really kind of removed all of the impact from this draft.
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Post by soxfanatic on Dec 6, 2012 11:05:08 GMT -5
Sox get IF/OF Justin Henry from Tigers- Speier
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Post by bluechip on Dec 6, 2012 11:09:13 GMT -5
Sox get IF/OF Justin Henry from Tigers- Speier Old minor leaguer. Absolutely no power. Walks some.
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Post by elguapo on Dec 6, 2012 11:12:57 GMT -5
Has played every position except C - mostly 2B / CF. Plausible superutility depth.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2012 11:29:26 GMT -5
i can't believe the red sox didn't protect josh fields. he is a potential impact bullpen arm. instead of adding him, the red sox added a 22 year old catcher (christian vazquez) who has only played 20 games in AA and hit .205 in those games. the sox need bullpen help, and not protecting josh fields was a HUGE mistake.
i really like the kobernus pickup. he hits for well above average contact in the minors and that should translate well to the majors if the red sox hang on to him. he does have poor plate discipline though. i wouldn't trade him even though he would be blocked by pedroia. he could be a utility infielder and the sox can take a shot at converting him to shortstop. (that is a long shot though) i really like kobernus and i have been wanting the red sox to get him. some of my previous posts had the proposal of trading for jeff kobernus. good pickup getting him.
if only they had held on to fields...
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 6, 2012 11:48:47 GMT -5
i can't believe the red sox didn't protect josh fields. he is a potential impact bullpen arm. instead of adding him, the red sox added a 22 year old catcher (christian vazquez) who has only played 20 games in AA and hit .205 in those games. the sox need bullpen help, and not protecting josh fields was a HUGE mistake. i really like the kobernus pickup. he hits for well above average contact in the minors and that should translate well to the majors if the red sox hang on to him. he does have poor plate discipline though. i wouldn't trade him even though he would be blocked by pedroia. he could be a utility infielder and the sox can take a shot at converting him to shortstop. (that is a long shot though) i really like kobernus and i have been wanting the red sox to get him. some of my previous posts had the proposal of trading for jeff kobernus. good pickup getting him. if only they had held on to fields... a) Since when do the Sox need bullpen help? b) Kobernus was traded.
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Post by kindasweaty on Dec 6, 2012 12:00:45 GMT -5
Has played every position except C - mostly 2B / CF. Plausible superutility depth. Gets on base, plays all over the place, has a little speed. Not bad for the 50k (right?) the pick cost.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 6, 2012 12:02:36 GMT -5
Has played every position except C - mostly 2B / CF. Plausible superutility depth. Gets on base, plays all over the place, has a little speed. Not bad for the 50k (right?) the pick cost. I'd assume that the Tigers are paying the Sox the money.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 6, 2012 12:10:44 GMT -5
Henry: He's essentially a replacement for Spears as the Triple-A utility guy.
McGeary and Bachanov are your typical lottery ticket, no-control arms. McGeary's been jacked by injuries for the last three seasons. Bachanov reportedly had attitude issues in the Angels org which helped lead to his release. Low risk acquisitions.
Fields will stick, but he's a guy who could get hit around in the majors when he's not able to get away with a straight fastball the way he did in the minors. Pressly has live stuff, but he'll probably come back. Nice thing for him is he'll be in Fort Myers anyway. Wonder if he'll still live with Sox guys - I know some guys who've gone from the Sox to the Twins have done that in the past.
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Post by sibbysisti on Dec 6, 2012 15:00:52 GMT -5
Disappointed about Fields, but I understand, RP is a strong suit in this organization.
Glad we didn't lose Hazelbaker. While he didn't show great improvement this year in AA, his power and base stealing prowess are good traits to have. I'm looking forward to following him this year at Pawtucket.
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 6, 2012 17:50:29 GMT -5
Henry: He's essentially a replacement for Spears as the Triple-A utility guy. McGeary and Bachanov are your typical lottery ticket, no-control arms. McGeary's been jacked by injuries for the last three seasons. Bachanov reportedly had attitude issues in the Angels org which helped lead to his release. Low risk acquisitions. Fields will stick, but he's a guy who could get hit around in the majors when he's not able to get away with a straight fastball the way he did in the minors. Pressly has live stuff, but he'll probably come back. Nice thing for him is he'll be in Fort Myers anyway. Wonder if he'll still live with Sox guys - I know some guys who've gone from the Sox to the Twins have done that in the past. Well I hope that is true re Pressly. His development has been surprising in a good sense. I talked with him a few years ago in the GCL and he told me he threw 90, 91. Last year I saw him pitch in Portland and the board had him at 96.
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Post by sdl on Dec 6, 2012 23:39:40 GMT -5
i can't believe the red sox didn't protect josh fields. he is a potential impact bullpen arm. instead of adding him, the red sox added a 22 year old catcher (christian vazquez) who has only played 20 games in AA and hit .205 in those games. the sox need bullpen help, and not protecting josh fields was a HUGE mistake. i really like the kobernus pickup. he hits for well above average contact in the minors and that should translate well to the majors if the red sox hang on to him. he does have poor plate discipline though. i wouldn't trade him even though he would be blocked by pedroia. he could be a utility infielder and the sox can take a shot at converting him to shortstop. (that is a long shot though) i really like kobernus and i have been wanting the red sox to get him. some of my previous posts had the proposal of trading for jeff kobernus. good pickup getting him. if only they had held on to fields... I concur. i am NOT happy about losing Fields
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Dec 6, 2012 23:49:32 GMT -5
i like to say I T y s, so here goes: CHRIS HATFIELD, I TOLD YOU SO!!!
Sox traded Stewart to PITT, I said PTBNL would be someone who survived Rule 5 and player would arrive after Rule 5 was complete. Hatfield scoffed at my amateur musing.
Kyle Kaminska survives draft .... Sox got him tonight. Yee Haa!!! A ptnl worth the bus ticket.
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Post by charliezink16 on Dec 7, 2012 10:18:58 GMT -5
I understand the frustration over Fields, hard throwing righty who's knocking on the big league door, etc etc. But 40 man space was obviously an issue, and maybe it just wasn't worth adding him. Once Victorino, Napoli, and Uehara are added to the 40-man, it will be at 41.
People will argue that Hasaan shouldn't have been added, and that's fair to say, but after Victorino signs, they'll have 7 total OF's on the 40-man, a fairly average # in comparison to the rest of the MLB's 40-man's. Even if it wasn't Hasaan, maybe Linares would have been added, because clearly OF depth is something Cherington wants to address after going through 13th and 14th string outfielders last season. And what do we know, maybe Ben sees something in Hasaan that we don't.
So the 40-man will be at 41 following the singing of Napoli, Victorino, and Uehara. Assuming they trade one of their catchers, and sign 2 more free agents (atleast 1 SP), that leaves their 40-man at approximately 42. Hypothetically, if you all could add Josh Fields to the 40-man, what 3 players do you get rid of (assuming a catcher has been traded for a non-40 man asset)?
Hasaan? See above. Beato? I'd take Fields over Beato anyday. He has 2 options and is only 25, thats his only appeal. I don't know why they kept him over Fields. Aceves? Can log important innings, pitch in relief, and may see a lot of starts this year...no. Britton/Pimentel/Wright? All have starter potential, not worth it.
Then you look at relief pitcher depth on the 40-man. Already 10 RH relievers (plus DLR, Aceves, Pimentel). Bard (2), DLR (3), Tazawa (1), Wilson (3), Carpenter (1), Beato (3), Pimentel (1) all have options left, and guys like Huntzinger and Kurcz would be emergency options.
It hurts to see one of our guys getting picked #1 overall, if I were GM I probably would have protected him too. Unfortunately, 40-man space is limited, and a 27 year old who's currently struggling in the AFL, has just 26 inning pitched above AA, has been stalled at AA since '09, and has the ceiling of a 7th-8th inning reliever may not be worth the roster spot. With that being said, best of luck to him in Houston, gotta love seeing fringe players getting a chance there...
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Post by bluechip on Dec 7, 2012 10:47:13 GMT -5
I understand the frustration over Fields, hard throwing righty who's knocking on the big league door, etc etc. But 40 man space was obviously an issue, and maybe it just wasn't worth adding him. Once Victorino, Napoli, and Uehara are added to the 40-man, it will be at 41. People will argue that Hasaan shouldn't have been added, and that's fair to say, but after Victorino signs, they'll have 7 total OF's on the 40-man, a fairly average # in comparison to the rest of the MLB's 40-man's. Even if it wasn't Hasaan, maybe Linares would have been added, because clearly OF depth is something Cherington wants to address after going through 13th and 14th string outfielders last season. And what do we know, maybe Ben sees something in Hasaan that we don't. So the 40-man will be at 41 following the singing of Napoli, Victorino, and Uehara. Assuming they trade one of their catchers, and sign 2 more free agents (atleast 1 SP), that leaves their 40-man at approximately 42. Hypothetically, if you all could add Josh Fields to the 40-man, what 3 players do you get rid of (assuming a catcher has been traded for a non-40 man asset)? Hasaan? See above. Beato? I'd take Fields over Beato anyday. He has 2 options and is only 25, thats his only appeal. I don't know why they kept him over Fields. Aceves? Can log important innings, pitch in relief, and may see a lot of starts this year...no. Britton/Pimentel/Wright? All have starter potential, not worth it. Then you look at relief pitcher depth on the 40-man. Already 10 RH relievers (plus DLR, Aceves, Pimentel). Bard (2), DLR (3), Tazawa (1), Wilson (3), Carpenter (1), Beato (3), Pimentel (1) all have options left, and guys like Huntzinger and Kurcz would be emergency options. It hurts to see one of our guys getting picked #1 overall, if I were GM I probably would have protected him too. Unfortunately, 40-man space is limited, and a 27 year old who's currently struggling in the AFL, has just 26 inning pitched above AA, has been stalled at AA since '09, and has the ceiling of a 7th-8th inning reliever may not be worth the roster spot. With that being said, best of luck to him in Houston, gotta love seeing fringe players getting a chance there... Relief pitchers are the most fungible of all baseball positions. Fields will likely stick in Houston. Even if he locks down the 8th inning job (i.e. everything breaks right for him), the Red Sox will not lose too much sleep. Its not like Johan Santana, Josh Hamilton, or Roberto Clemente (who the Branch Rickey reportedly drafted from the Dodgers to spite Walter O'Malley).
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