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6/8 ML Gameday Thread: 3 left-handers pitching today
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Jun 7, 2014 21:21:08 GMT -5
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Post by templeusox on Jun 8, 2014 9:06:13 GMT -5
I can absolutely guarantee Trey Ball will have more than 4 strikeouts today.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jun 8, 2014 10:57:42 GMT -5
Fans are get getting restless. That Pawsox .235 team BA ain't getting it done.
Around this time of year, we hear talk of roster crunches and Rule 5. Some even mention the mysterious "Rule-V". In July, Barnes et al can go to Boston for the duration without burning an option. Et al includes Ramos, Coyle, Swihart, Shaw. The Rule 5 quintet. Hope we get a nice prospect when Breslow is dealt.
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Post by larrycook on Jun 8, 2014 11:23:05 GMT -5
Fans are get getting restless. That Pawsox .235 team BA ain't getting it done. Around this time of year, we hear talk of roster crunches and Rule 5. Some even mention the mysterious "Rule-V". In July, Barnes et al can go to Boston for the duration without burning an option. Et al includes Ramos, Coyle, Swihart, Shaw. The Rule 5 quintet. Hope we get a nice prospect when Breslow is dealt. The wheels have fallen off the Cheek-Key-Knee singles machine. Betts and Shaw have actually done a decent job since their promotions. Seems like when pitching is on, hitting is off and vice versa. I wouldn't mind the Sox trading Breslow and giving Layne a shot in Boston. Seems like the Sox have to solve the Butler/Vasquez catching situation before Swilhart can get as shot at Pawtucket. We need to move a starting pitcher or two (Workman needs to be that dependable righty in the pen) and give Renauldo and/or Webster/Barnes a chance to show their stuff. Plus Owens and Couch have already proven they need a promotion, I'm guessing Johnson will too by late July.
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Post by huskies15 on Jun 8, 2014 12:40:09 GMT -5
MiLB.com has Gunkel pitching today instead of Ball
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 8, 2014 13:05:10 GMT -5
MiLB.com has Gunkel pitching today instead of Ball Awesome.
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Post by kman22 on Jun 8, 2014 13:16:26 GMT -5
MiLB.com has Gunkel pitching today instead of Ball Hmmm, I thought Gunkel pitched yesterday.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 8, 2014 13:49:44 GMT -5
PawSox lead 2-0, end 6th
Hernandez is having a very good day. Leaning on the cutter.
edit: no hitter broken up by Votto to lead off the 7th
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 8, 2014 13:52:11 GMT -5
Salem with a seven-spot in the first inning.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 8, 2014 14:39:58 GMT -5
LOL, then I was watching McGrath yesterday not Gunkel. Then McGrath is the widebody. Had the sound off because I was listening to other games. Gunkel pitched great today according to the box but now I missed it and haven't seen Gunkel . Coyle with another day, 2/4 with a 2B & HR. Game tied 4-4 in the ninth. Got to see 3 batters by Gunkel. He's also a big guy. He was likely tired, his longest outing. Flyout to left on a 3-2 pitch, 3-2 walk then a bloop single to right. For the very short time I watched, his FB was well located but his slider was not commanded well but has a ton of movement. Looking at the box, I doubt if the command was the case for the game. The two runners he left on base scored. PawSox won. Great line for Hernandez. Mookie 1/3 with 2 BB. Portland won on a 10th inning walkoff single by Gibson. Marrero and Coyle 2/4. Kendrick Perkins makes everyone else look like little people. LOL, Weems has long stride wheels. Just saw they gave Rider the error last inning on the throw but it was an easy one hop throw to Witte, no way he shouldn't have had that easy. Was a brain fart error, he seems decent enough in the few games I've seen. Drive lost on a walkoff HR.
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 8, 2014 16:09:42 GMT -5
edit: no hitter broken up by Votto to lead off the 7th I've heard about him. One of their better prospects I think.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 8, 2014 16:16:14 GMT -5
MiLB.com has Gunkel pitching today instead of Ball What's wrong with Ball? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 8, 2014 16:23:50 GMT -5
Nothing, probably. Gunkel was scheduled to pitch yesterday and got pushed back for some reason. Might see Ball tomorrow.
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Post by michaelgelbwasser on Jun 8, 2014 17:10:51 GMT -5
Add Rich Hill to the worthy promotions list: 3.09 ERA and a .191 BA.
I like Breslow, but could see him getting moved.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 8, 2014 19:18:35 GMT -5
Add Rich Hill to the worthy promotions list: 3.09 ERA and a .191 BA. I like Breslow, but could see him getting moved. Keep seeing this and it's got a lot of negatives. Miller is a FA, will probably cost around, if not more than the 4m AAV over 2-3 guaranteed years that Breslow has a team option for next season. If the team is going to move a lefty? Make it miller, as much as I'd rather have him back.
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Post by jmei on Jun 8, 2014 20:29:43 GMT -5
Miller's just much, much better than Breslow. I'm just not confident that Breslow can maintain his shiny ERA, while Miller has elite swing-and-miss stuff combined with an above-average ground ball rate. Miller's the kind of guy you want to re-sign, if possible-- a dominant lefty reliever who also gets righties out, is relatively young (only 30 next year), and has closer/set-up man potential.
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Post by mredsox89 on Jun 8, 2014 21:11:51 GMT -5
Hernandez continues to get results at every level. If not for the potential pitching riches just ahead of him, all who profile as better starters, he'd have his shot in the bigs already.
Have to imagine he will get his chance to start somewhere. There are so many miserable starters, in the NL in particular, that he's got to be worth of an opportunity
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 8, 2014 21:52:40 GMT -5
You don't have to point out all the positives on Miller to me Jmei, am well aware of his transformation and have been a fan of his since his UNC days. I also have little faith in the team extending/resigning him with how they approached the resign last season when Miller was looking for 2.1m and the team wouldn't budge past think it was 1.8m. The FO should have gone after a LT deal then, a somewhat minor foot injury wasn't going to hurt him and the timing was perfect for a discount.
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Didn't intend for that post to sound grouchy, but after coming back after a few hours and reading it here it looks kind of that way that way.
No intention of offending you Jmei. Only attempting to point out that Cherrington had his best chance last offseason, or over last summer of getting a deal on Miller and spent the winter low balling him instead.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 8, 2014 23:37:28 GMT -5
Add Rich Hill to the worthy promotions list: 3.09 ERA and a .191 BA. Rich Hill is better than at least 1/3 of the relievers in the majors.
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Post by jchang on Jun 8, 2014 23:50:42 GMT -5
sorry if this is the wrong thread, but the listed started on Portland's MILB website for the next 3 games are Johnson, Couch and Pena - skipping Owens. Is this just a turn off? Johnson was skipped last turn for Doubront. I was planning on driving up to Altoona.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 8, 2014 23:58:02 GMT -5
Hernandez continues to get results at every level. If not for the potential pitching riches just ahead of him, all who profile as better starters, he'd have his shot in the bigs already. Have to imagine he will get his chance to start somewhere. There are so many miserable starters, in the NL in particular, that he's got to be worth of an opportunity Until three starts ago: 31.2 IP, 12 SO, 14 BB; 39 H. Last three starts: 19.2 IP, 21 SO, 6 BB; 8 H. Previous K rate: .083 Last 3 starts: .292 Odds of this happening at random in a simulation using his overall K rate of .153: 1 in 16,603. He is unquestionably doing something different. Any word on what it is? (He's also lowered his BABIP, .339 versus .186, which has a 6% chance of happening randomly -- but we know that high K rates correlate to lower BABIP rates.)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 0:06:24 GMT -5
Miller's just much, much better than Breslow. I'm just not confident that Breslow can maintain his shiny ERA, while Miller has elite swing-and-miss stuff combined with an above-average ground ball rate. Miller's the kind of guy you want to re-sign, if possible-- a dominant lefty reliever who also gets righties out, is relatively young (only 30 next year), and has closer/set-up man potential. The issue isn't who's better, Miller or Breslow. The issue is how much it would cost to resign Miller versus the fact that Breslow is cost controlled with a team option of $4 million for 2015. The way salaries have exploded for left handed middle relievers combined with the fact that Miller has been relatively reliable for three seasons now, it's not out of the realm of possibility that he receives an offer approaching 3 years / $20 million. Miller's rep will probably comp him to Boone Logan who got 3 years / $16.5 million from the Rockies this last offseason. John Henry's player valuation algorithm will spit out a resounding "Does not compute" in response to that reality.
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Post by jmei on Jun 9, 2014 0:14:06 GMT -5
Miller's just much, much better than Breslow. I'm just not confident that Breslow can maintain his shiny ERA, while Miller has elite swing-and-miss stuff combined with an above-average ground ball rate. Miller's the kind of guy you want to re-sign, if possible-- a dominant lefty reliever who also gets righties out, is relatively young (only 30 next year), and has closer/set-up man potential. The issue isn't who's better, Miller or Breslow. The issue is how much it would cost to resign Miller versus the fact that Breslow is cost controlled with a team option of $4 million for 2015. The way salaries have exploded for left handed middle relievers combined with the fact that Miller has been relatively reliable for three seasons now, it's not out of the realm of possibility that he receives an offer approaching 3 years / $20 million. Miller's rep will probably comp him to Boone Logan who got 3 years / $16.5 million from the Rockies this last offseason. John Henry's player valuation algorithm will spit out a resounding "Does not compute" in response to that reality. I would gladly re-sign Andrew Miller for 3/$16.5m, and I think the front office would, too. Remember, they added Mujica for 2/$9.5m, and Miller has been a fair bit better than Mujica of late. I'd definitely also rather have Miller at 3/$16.5m than Breslow at 1/$4m, especially since Breslow turns 35 next year and his fastball velocity has declined four years in a row.
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Post by mredsox89 on Jun 9, 2014 0:23:31 GMT -5
Hernandez continues to get results at every level. If not for the potential pitching riches just ahead of him, all who profile as better starters, he'd have his shot in the bigs already. Have to imagine he will get his chance to start somewhere. There are so many miserable starters, in the NL in particular, that he's got to be worth of an opportunity Until three starts ago: 31.2 IP, 12 SO, 14 BB; 39 H. Last three starts: 19.2 IP, 21 SO, 6 BB; 8 H. Previous K rate: .083 Last 3 starts: .292 Odds of this happening at random in a simulation using his overall K rate of .153: 1 in 16,603. He is unquestionably doing something different. Any word on what it is? (He's also lowered his BABIP, .339 versus .186, which has a 6% chance of happening randomly -- but we know that high K rates correlate to lower BABIP rates.) Well I think it helps that his last two outings have been starts. Started all three years in college, and pretty much every level since. Though his overall numbers out of the pen this season aren't bad. He will never be a big K guy, but if he does get strikeouts, he becomes a very good pitcher on the mound. But I do expect his K-rate to drop back down, unless they changed something specifically when he was moved back to the rotation after Rubby's promotion. Unfortunately for him, he will prob head right back to the bullpen whenever Pawtucket needs another rotation spot, and he will be stuck there until he ends up in another organization. If he continues to pitch well as a starter, I still contend he could get snagged by another club in the Rule 5 if they don't have much to lose
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 9, 2014 0:36:29 GMT -5
Hernandez continues to get results at every level. If not for the potential pitching riches just ahead of him, all who profile as better starters, he'd have his shot in the bigs already. Have to imagine he will get his chance to start somewhere. There are so many miserable starters, in the NL in particular, that he's got to be worth of an opportunity Until three starts ago: 31.2 IP, 12 SO, 14 BB; 39 H. Last three starts: 19.2 IP, 21 SO, 6 BB; 8 H. Previous K rate: .083 Last 3 starts: .292 Odds of this happening at random in a simulation using his overall K rate of .153: 1 in 16,603. He is unquestionably doing something different. Any word on what it is? (He's also lowered his BABIP, .339 versus .186, which has a 6% chance of happening randomly -- but we know that high K rates correlate to lower BABIP rates.) He's picked up a cutter.
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