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2014 MLB Post-Draft Discussion Thread
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jun 8, 2014 6:58:04 GMT -5
Please use this thread for general draft discussion.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jun 8, 2014 7:04:57 GMT -5
So going by BA's rankings the Sox drafted the following top 500 players: #26 Michael Chavis #37 Michael Kopech #56 Sam Travis #88 Jeren Kendall #95 David Peterson #97 Jake Cosart #125 Jalen Beeks #180 J.J. Matijevich #181 Reed Reilly #194 Devon Fisher #226 Ryan Harris #290 Karsten Whitson #303 Ian Rice #315 Ben Moore #337 Trenton Kemp #338 Danny Mars #372 Chandler Shepherd #401 Josh Pennington #493 Luis Alvarado
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jun 8, 2014 7:29:49 GMT -5
Picks by position (as listed on BA):
C - 6 1B - 3 2B - 0 3B - 2 SS - 5 OF - 7
RHP - 15 LHP - 3
Picks by level:
High school - 16 JC/CC - 5 College - 20
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Post by stevedillard on Jun 8, 2014 7:58:00 GMT -5
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jun 8, 2014 8:06:06 GMT -5
Listening to Alex Speier's post draft show and he had Michael Kopech on. Kopech noted that he models his high leg kick Nolan Ryan, and he said that he tries to use uses his lower half of his body similar to Roger Clemons. He had four teams targeting him in the first round and he thought he was going to be picked by the Red Sox at #26.
Keith Law was also on. He considers Chavis as having a high floor, noted that he liked to pepper cars beyond the relatively short LF fence in his HS field. He thought other guys such as Harrison and Gatewood have such a high celing, high risk which may result in neither of them getting out of High A ball.
Law thought that Kopech will increase his velocity over time, but there is always the injury concern when you have guys throwing in the upper 90s. His advisor is his dad which may have tamped down his pre-draft buzz as he didn't have someone marketing him like a lot of the other potential draft picks.. Long limbed pitcher which makes it difficult to pick up the ball. Needs to generate more power from his lower half.
Law saw Travis play first and he thinks that he is athletic enough to play leftfield..One scout who Law trusts a lot liked Travis better than the Cubs' draft pick Schwarber. Travis has a short compact swing...weaker on stuff away... Great value pick
Cosart not as refined as his brother as he came into pitching late... Pretty raw...may translate better as a reliever.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 8, 2014 9:07:53 GMT -5
Just saw Harry Burnham's rundown of where our drafted guys were ranked in BA's Top 500 and PG's Top 300. It's not a perfect job -- he omits Ben Moore, BA 315, and doesn't have Chandler Shepherd being BA 372. Furthermore, PG had a top 500, which they rolled out May 12 through May 16, and I'm wondering whether this is just an expansion of the top 300, which was released Jan. 22, or also a revision of same (which would make sense given how much can happen in the interim). Back in the locked Day 3 thread I asked amfox for rankings in the PG 500, and I'll extend that to everyone -- someone ("mloyko"?) must have a Premium subscription and can a) either confirm that the rankings cited by amfox and Burnham match those in the 500, or give an updated set of rankings, and b) extend the list to guys ranked 301-500, presumably Kemp, Beeks, Pennington, probably Rice, and Moore. And mloyko in the day 3 thread said that Hill, Rolen and Gretler were all in the top 500 as well.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 8, 2014 9:15:35 GMT -5
I was impressed with the diversity of the picks. High school, college and jc high picks. Not all from the usual areas; Georgia, Florida, Texas and Calif. A couple of HS bats from Pa. A college bat from Indiana. Delaware. Plus, the traditional areas were hit. Don't even like to grade a draft. For at least 3 years mid-term. Prob, 7-8 years for a final grade. Even then. It's not complete. But, we appear to have been out scouting everywhere.
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Post by mannofsteele on Jun 8, 2014 9:17:37 GMT -5
Listening to Alex Speier's post draft show and he had Michael Kopech on. Kopech noted that he models his high leg kick Nolan Ryan, and he said that he tries to use uses his lower half of his body similar to Roger Clemons. He had four teams targeting him in the first round and he thought he was going to be picked by the Red Sox at #26. Keith Law was also on. He considers Chavis as having a high floor, noted that he liked to pepper cars beyond the relatively short LF fence in his HS field. He thought other guys such as Harrison and Gatewood have such a high celing, high risk which may result in neither of them getting out of High A ball. Law thought that Kopech will increase his velocity over time, but there is always the injury concern when you have guys throwing in the upper 90s. His advisor is his dad which may have tamped down his pre-draft buzz as he didn't have someone marketing him like a lot of the other potential draft picks.. Long limbed pitcher which makes it difficult to pick up the ball. Needs to generate more power from his lower half. Law saw Travis play first and he thinks that he is athletic enough to play leftfield..One scout who Law trusts a lot liked Travis better than the Cubs' draft pick Schwarber. Travis has a short compact swing...weaker on stuff away... Great value pick Cosart not as refined as his brother as he came into pitching late... Pretty raw...may translate better as a reliever. Can you provide a link, I cannot find it on WEEI, for some reason. I must be losing my vision.
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Post by dfwsox on Jun 8, 2014 9:25:46 GMT -5
Impressed with the hall we came away with. I also coudnt find that podcast on weei. haha
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Post by jmei on Jun 8, 2014 9:27:42 GMT -5
The podcast isn't up online yet, but I believe it aired this morning on WEEI. It should be up shortly.
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Post by dfwsox on Jun 8, 2014 9:29:53 GMT -5
The podcast isn't up online yet, but I believe it aired this morning on WEEI. It should be up shortly. Thanks
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Post by dfwsox on Jun 8, 2014 9:39:28 GMT -5
Kopech to me seams a bit underated based on the scouting I have read. Think we are fortunate to get a high ceiling hs guy like that at that point in draft.
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Post by Mike Andrews on Jun 8, 2014 9:42:38 GMT -5
Here are my "super wicked early speculative gut check predictions" for the 2014 signing season. Not any inside info behind this yet, it's just based on gut feel and years of history. These have usually been pretty solid projections in year's past, but it's getting tougher with the draft cap, and this year the team seems to have shifted strategy towards college players in rounds 11-14. So that could change things. Comments welcome.
TOP TEN ROUNDS - SUPER WICKED EARLY PROJECTED BONUS 1 (26) Michael Chavis $1,900,000 1 (33) Michael Kopech $1,700,000 2 (67) Sam Travis $850,000 3 (103) Jake Cosart $509,400 4 Kevin McAvoy $10,000 5 Josh Ockimey $50,000 6 Danny Mars $150,000 7 Reed Reilly $200,000 8 Ben Moore $50,000 9 Kevin Steen $50,000 10 Cole Sturgeon $10,000
AFTER 10TH ROUND, ABOVE $100K (First $100K does not count towards bonus cap) 11 Karsten Whitson $350,000 ($250,000 towards cap) 12 Jalen Beeks $400,000 ($300,000 towards cap) 13 Chandler Shepherd $150,000 ($50,000 towards cap) 15 Trenton Kemp $250,000 ($150,000 towards cap) 20 Devon Fisher $300,000 ($200,000 towards cap) 21 Ian Rice $150,000 ($50,000 towards cap) 22 JJ Matijevic $250,000 ($150,000 towards cap) 29 Josh Pennington $150,000 ($50,000 towards cap)
After 10th round, possible $100k or less signs (count $0 towards cap, about 8-12 of these players will sign) 14 Jordan Procyshen 16 Michael Gunn 17 Jeremy Rivera 18 Jordan Betts 19 Tyler Hill 23 Derek Miller 24 Sisco Tellez 25 Gabe Kobosits 26 Ryan Harris 27 Taylor Nunez 31 Alex Mckeon 33 Luis Alvarado 34 Kuehl McEachern 37 Hector Lorenzana 38 Brandon Show 40 Joseph Winterburn
Total spent towards cap using these projections: $6,679,400 Red Sox Cap: $6,373,300 Red Sox Cap +5%: (no draft pick penalty): $6,691,965
DOES NOT SIGN 28 David Peterson 30 Jeren Kendall 32 Case Rolen 35 Ross Puskarich 36 Bradley Wilpon 39 Mike Gretler
Notes: I don't think that anybody on the list is impossible. Some of the "do not signs" could get signed if the club wants to sacrifice a few of the college picks in rounds 11-22. Based on these projections, I think there will be about $1 million to $1.2 million to spend on players after the 10th round (not counting the first $100k for each bonus). The player everyone will be clamoring for this year is Jeren Kendall. I don't see it happening, but I haven't looked into it in depth yet. Again, it's super early and we haven't had a chance to ask around to this point. I'll have my ear to the ground in the coming weeks. The deadline is July 18.
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 8, 2014 9:44:32 GMT -5
Kopech to me seams a bit underated I don't think any pitcher would underrate seams.
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Post by dfwsox on Jun 8, 2014 9:48:58 GMT -5
Kopech to me seams a bit underated I don't think any pitcher would underrate seams. Agreed. haha
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Post by mjammz on Jun 8, 2014 10:25:17 GMT -5
Just saw Harry Burnham's rundown of where our drafted guys were ranked in BA's Top 500 and PG's Top 300. It's not a perfect job -- he omits Ben Moore, BA 315, and doesn't have Chandler Shepherd being BA 372. Furthermore, PG had a top 500, which they rolled out May 12 through May 16, and I'm wondering whether this is just an expansion of the top 300, which was released Jan. 22, or also a revision of same (which would make sense given how much can happen in the interim). Back in the locked Day 3 thread I asked amfox for rankings in the PG 500, and I'll extend that to everyone -- someone ("mloyko"?) must have a Premium subscription and can a) either confirm that the rankings cited by amfox and Burnham match those in the 500, or give an updated set of rankings, and b) extend the list to guys ranked 301-500, presumably Kemp, Beeks, Pennington, probably Rice, and Moore. And mloyko in the day 3 thread said that Hill, Rolen and Gretler were all in the top 500 as well. I don't have a subscription, but just by looking at their PG Profiles and the recent articles they were written in you can see who is in the Top 500.
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Post by mjammz on Jun 8, 2014 10:27:36 GMT -5
I'd be happy with Mike's breakdown above. The name I'm going to watch close is David Peterson. He could end up being this years Nick Longhi. I could see the Red Sox throwing 500K at him to sign him (granted Kemp, Matijevic) don't take up all the bonus money.
Kendall there is no chance.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 8, 2014 10:33:14 GMT -5
AFTER 10TH ROUND, ABOVE $100K (First $100K does not count towards bonus cap) 11 Karsten Whitson $350,000 ($250,000 towards cap) 12 Jalen Beeks $400,000 ($300,000 towards cap) 13 Chandler Sheperd $150,000 ($50,000 towards cap) 15 Trenton Kemp $250,000 ($150,000 towards cap) 20 Devon Fisher $300,000 ($200,000 towards cap) 21 Ian Rice $150,000 ($50,000 towards cap) 22 JJ Matijevic $250,000 ($150,000 towards cap) After 10th round, possible $100k or less signs (count $0 towards cap, not all will sign) 14 Jordan Procyshen 16 Michael Gunn 17 Jeremy Rivera 18 Jordan Betts 19 Tyler Hill 23 Derek Miller 24 Sisco Tellez 25 Gabe Kobosits 26 Ryan Harris 29 Josh Pennington (could see him getting $150-$200k?) 31 Alex Mckeon 33 Luis Alvarado 34 Kuehl McEachern 38 Brandon Show 40 Joseph Winterburn Total spent towards cap using these projections: $6,689,400 Red Sox Cap: $6,373,300 Red Sox Cap +5%: (no draft pick penalty): $6,691,965 DOES NOT SIGN
27 Taylor Nunez 28 David Peterson 30 Jeren Kendall 32 Case Rolen 35 Ross Puskarich 36 Bradley Wilpon 37 Hector Lorenzana 39 Mike Gretler Procyshen, Pennington and McKeon are signing (see the signings thread). Lorenzana is a senior, so I'd expect him to sign quickly. The sleepers I'm most interested in are Rice, Hill and Alvarado. Peterson will be the guy we wished we signed.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jun 8, 2014 10:38:44 GMT -5
Slot values for the top 10-round picks:
Rd Pick Player Slot 1 26 Chavis $1,870,500 1 33 Kopech $1,678,000 2 67 Travis $846,800 3 103 Cosart $509,400 4 134 McAvoy $377,600 5 164 Ockimey $282,800 6 194 Mars $211,800 7 224 Reilly $163,500 8 254 Moore $152,700 9 284 Steen $142,600 10 314 Sturgeon $137,600
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Post by theolearyfactor on Jun 8, 2014 10:45:22 GMT -5
I just wanted to take a moment to thank the folks running SoxProspects for another year of invaluable draft coverage. I'm not familiar with most amateur players so you guys do a great job getting me hyped about our new draftees. Thanks!
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Post by mjammz on Jun 8, 2014 10:47:56 GMT -5
With McEvoy and Mars signing so quick. I'm very anxious to see the $$$. McEvoy especially should be well under slot.
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Post by oleary25 on Jun 8, 2014 11:11:03 GMT -5
I was wondering why no one has mentioned Karsten Whitson is signing ? There's an article up on RedSox.com stating he's forgoing his medical redshirt year to sign with Boston.
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Post by azblue on Jun 8, 2014 11:28:16 GMT -5
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Post by Matt Huegel on Jun 8, 2014 11:31:47 GMT -5
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Post by larrycook on Jun 8, 2014 11:37:06 GMT -5
Kopech to me seams a bit underated based on the scouting I have read. Think we are fortunate to get a high ceiling hs guy like that at that point in draft. I personally would have rather have had Foley at #33, but you have to love the way Kopech uses his lower half to create power and his arm to spin the ball. My only concern is when does his elbow break down?
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