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Post by mattpicard on Jul 11, 2014 15:45:53 GMT -5
Holt's performance for the rest of this season is pretty crucial for determining 2015's roster. Because he's probably our most valuable player over the course of 162 games if he keeps it up. The only question is whether he turns into a pumpkin at midnight. My guess is that he settles into a 85-100 wRC+ player who can jump around reliably between every outfield and infield position. That's a massive asset to have on the bench, but he's not a guy that I'd clear an everyday spot at a set position for.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 11, 2014 15:50:56 GMT -5
Holt's performance for the rest of this season is pretty crucial for determining 2015's roster. Because he's probably our most valuable player over the course of 162 games if he keeps it up. The only question is whether he turns into a pumpkin at midnight. My guess is that he settles into a 85-100 wRC+ player who can jump around reliably between every outfield and infield position. That's a massive asset to have on the bench, but he's not a guy that I'd clear an everyday spot at a set position for. I still have the gut feeling he could be more than that. For instance, while his BABIP is high, his K-rate is also well above his minor league rates. If he can cut them, maybe he is for real. And he's just ridiculously good in the field. I hope they play him at all 9 positions for the last game of the season.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 11, 2014 16:10:08 GMT -5
That's completely true, but there's also not much of a reason to expect him to improve his ~100 wRC+ performance vs. RHP at the MLB level. So unless Pedroia fades down to somewhere in the mid or low-80s, I'm not really thinking about such a thing. Obviously it depends on what you think of Holt going forward. If you think he is an 85 wRC+ player (that's his ZiPS RoS projection), then yeah, forget what I said. I do feel like he could be an above average hitter but I have no good arguments for it, so I'll leave it at that.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 11, 2014 17:05:56 GMT -5
If we get a stud left fielder for the outfield, where does holt play next season ss?
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Post by theaveragefan88 on Jul 11, 2014 19:33:28 GMT -5
The number one issue this team needs to address for 2015 is power. There is no pop on this team except for an aging Ortiz.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 11, 2014 19:36:33 GMT -5
The number one issue this team needs to address for 2015 is power. And why is that? Is MLB planning to introduce a new rule where home runs count 5 points rather than just 1?
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 11, 2014 19:51:51 GMT -5
We are also 22nd out of 30th in singles so there is definitely a lot of room for improvement there also, yes.
I couldn't care less if a guy goes 1 for 4 with a HR, 3 for 4 with all singles, or 1 for 2 with a double and 2 BB. All of them are providing approximately the same level of offensive production, there is nothing inherently better about having the 1 for 4, HR guy.
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Post by theaveragefan88 on Jul 11, 2014 19:55:31 GMT -5
There is so much wrong with this logic I don't know where to begin. Power, the ability to drive the ball far for multiple bases, is inherently better. The home run is important because it takes any base running or fielding out of the equation. It is an automatic run, it does not rely on the success or failure of other players. Power is not just homers either. Slugging is any extra base hit in case you didn't know. You can try to single teams to death if you want, but I want guys who can hit doubles, triples, and HRs.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 11, 2014 20:03:14 GMT -5
pitching! defense! Timely hitting!
Keys to a championship!
It's all about RISP!
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jul 11, 2014 20:03:41 GMT -5
Both of you need to just end this. And please, learn to be more civil when you disagree with someone...
Edit: And since you can't listen I'll just delete the posts...
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 11, 2014 20:51:04 GMT -5
“@nickcafardo: 3 things learned: Red Sox would prefer to keep Bogearts at 3rd. They also want to keep Uehara for next season. Can deal Drew if he hits.”
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 11, 2014 21:47:30 GMT -5
“@nickcafardo: 3 things learned: Red Sox would prefer to keep Bogearts at 3rd. They also want to keep Uehara for next season. Can deal Drew if he hits.” Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk So does that mean they're done with WMB?
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Post by theaveragefan88 on Jul 11, 2014 22:09:33 GMT -5
“@nickcafardo: 3 things learned: Red Sox would prefer to keep Bogearts at 3rd. They also want to keep Uehara for next season. Can deal Drew if he hits.” Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk So does that mean they're done with WMB? BC has expressed interest in having him try other positions when he is healthier. I would assume 1st base and/or LF.
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Post by danr on Jul 12, 2014 1:00:25 GMT -5
“@nickcafardo: 3 things learned: Red Sox would prefer to keep Bogearts at 3rd. They also want to keep Uehara for next season. Can deal Drew if he hits.” Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Which explains why Drew stays in the lineup. They are hoping he will hit enough to interest some other sucker. I like the idea of keeping Uehara. The SS job is Marrero's to lose. On a different subject, I think it is a waste of energy to speculate about trading for Stanton. There is no reason why Miami should trade him now in any kind of reasonable deal.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 12, 2014 2:22:52 GMT -5
BTW, there is an obvious candidate to complement CVaz next year. He's aging and can no longer hit RHP at all, but still has great numbers versus LHP, and he's the veritable God of pitch framing. Furthermore, he already gets along great with Vazquez!
Yeah, I don't know why folks aren't figuring that we'll just bring back Ross next year. I've added him to the list of players I want to deal and re-sign.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 12, 2014 4:33:32 GMT -5
RE: 2015, the topic
No way would I package the number 1 catching prospect in baseball for a one year rental. That makes no economic sense. If you think Ellsbury was expensive, imagine Stanton's free agency contract, he's a lot younger. I would, however, trade Swihart for a AAA #1 pitching prospect this coming off-season if the Sox were comfortable with Vazquez. Quality catching is a premium trade chip.
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Post by jmei on Jul 12, 2014 6:50:31 GMT -5
Stanton has two years of arbitration left, so he's not strictly a one-year rental.
As always, specific trade proposals should go in the trade proposal subforum.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 12, 2014 7:14:15 GMT -5
especially pie in the sky trade proposals that offer the mostly the guys we don't really want for one of the top young power hitters in the game.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 12, 2014 9:24:12 GMT -5
BTW, there is an obvious candidate to complement CVaz next year. He's aging and can no longer hit RHP at all, but still has great numbers versus LHP, and he's the veritable God of pitch framing. Furthermore, he already gets along great with Vazquez! Yeah, I don't know why folks aren't figuring that we'll just bring back Ross next year. I've added him to the list of players I want to deal and re-sign. Well, at the beginning of the season Ross was looking like he couldn't hit LHP at all anymore either. He's looking much better against them now, mostly due to the fact that he's homered in 7.8% of his PA against LHP. Is he going to be able to keep that up and repeat it next year? Hint: his career rate is only 4.4%. Then there is of course the slight matter that Vazquez is also a RHB himself, and thus Ross isn't as ideal a complement as he would be if he were left-handed...
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Post by larrycook on Jul 12, 2014 18:58:28 GMT -5
The 2015 roster could have Bradley, betts, holt and nava in the outfield.
Carp and nava are essentially the same player, so assuming carp is not back, nava and holt can get at bats at other positions.
This leaves an opportunity for a stud left fielder.
Talk of Stanton is pie in the sky in my opinion.
So what about the left fielder for Pittsburgh? Since polanco is doing well, he might be a spin off we could secure.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 12, 2014 19:33:57 GMT -5
"Carp and Nava are essentially the same player" No, they aren't!
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 12, 2014 21:28:18 GMT -5
The SS job is Marrero's to lose. Not when he's hitting .263 / .300 / .316 in AAA it isn't, at least not for a good while.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 12, 2014 21:41:00 GMT -5
The SS job is Marrero's to lose. Not when he's hitting .263 / .300 / .316 in AAA it isn't, at least not for a good while. Eric, you've been 'small sample sizing' the crap out of multiple threads recently. Its got to stop....
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Post by radiohix on Jul 12, 2014 22:11:24 GMT -5
Marrero is not ready offensively, he needs to tone down that k rate before we speak about a promotion to the show...
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 12, 2014 22:43:54 GMT -5
Not when he's hitting .263 / .300 / .316 in AAA it isn't, at least not for a good while. Eric, you've been 'small sample sizing' the crap out of multiple threads recently. Its got to stop.... Well, I put that really clumsily. Everyone knows the sample sizes are small. In this case, we all know that Marrero has had 40 whole PA in AAA. For the original assertion to be true (the SS's job is his to lose), there is probably nothing Marrero could have done in AAA to warrant that claim. He could be hitting .623 instead of .263 and he's still have quite a bit to prove. My intent would have been more clear by saying "not when he's had 40 PA in AAA (and is hitting .263 / .300 / .316 to boot)." That the 40 PA have not been good is still a data point that will factor into the final analysis; the odds of a positive outcome would be better if he's raked for 40 PA, at least by a little bit. Essentially, the point was that he'd just been promoted to AAA, where he needs to continue to hit well in the long run (stuff I thought everyone knew and didn't need explaining), and by the way, so far, he hasn't, for whatever that's worth -- and since I didn't think everyone knew that, I pointed out the numbers. Like I said, it could have been way more clear. I do like to point out SSS just because they're interesting. Noticing them is a way of focusing your attention on a guy who might be worth watching among the 150+ candidates. I assume that folks take them with the standard SSS grains of salt. It's always my intent that people do so. Even when I say "that's statistically significant," that doesn't mean I think it's real unless I say that explicitly. It's just a statement about the numbers.
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