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Post by grandsalami on Dec 4, 2012 19:26:23 GMT -5
Heyman on MLBN: Sox are still in play on Hamilton.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 4, 2012 19:49:48 GMT -5
Sign Hamilton. Trade Ellsbury for Cliff Lee. Sign a second tier FA SP (Jackson, Marcum, whatever), and that's your team.
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Post by bluechip on Dec 4, 2012 19:57:29 GMT -5
Sign Hamilton. Trade Ellsbury for Cliff Lee. Sign a second tier FA SP (Jackson, Marcum, whatever), and that's your team. So the team would be: Victorino Pedroia Hamilton Napoli Ortiz Middlebrooks Gomes/Nava Lavarnaway/Ross Iglesias Lee, Buchholz, Lester, Jackson, Lackey LHRP: Miller RHRP: Tawaza Closer: Bailey Not a bad team
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Post by beasleyrockah on Dec 4, 2012 19:57:47 GMT -5
The Phillies aren't trading Cliff Lee for Ellsbury, so that ends that.
EDIT: And literally five seconds after I post this comment, Amaro Jr. said "no way" do they even consider hearing offers for Lee or Halladay. They are in win now mode, and Michael Bourn sits on the open market. Nice idea, but it's not happening.
EDIT #2: Amaro isn't looking for prospects. It's literally impossible to value Cliff Lee more and prospects less than the current Phillies organization.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 4, 2012 20:15:34 GMT -5
Keith Law on the Victorino deal specifically and the Red Sox off season in general (http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog/_/name/law_keith/id/8711965/shane-victorino-deal-boston-red-sox-doomed-fail-mlb): an excerpt:
The Sox have now squandered a substantial amount of the payroll flexibility they obtained over the summer when they traded Adrian Gonzalez to the Los Angeles Dodgers just to rid themselves of two awful contracts, yet they have little to show for their recent spending spree.
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Post by bluechip on Dec 4, 2012 20:19:00 GMT -5
Keith Law on the Victorino deal specifically and the Red Sox off season in general (http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog/_/name/law_keith/id/8711965/shane-victorino-deal-boston-red-sox-doomed-fail-mlb): an excerpt: The Sox have now squandered a substantial amount of the payroll flexibility they obtained over the summer when they traded Adrian Gonzalez to the Los Angeles Dodgers just to rid themselves of two awful contracts, yet they have little to show for their recent spending spree. Who were the Red Sox supposed to sign with their payroll flexibility?
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Post by bluechip on Dec 4, 2012 20:27:18 GMT -5
Cherington Q&A Q: With Victorino deal likely done, would you rule out adding another outfielder?
A: “No. Wouldn’t rule out adding another to the mix. We’ll see what's attainable.”
Q: Would you like to add another first baseman?
A: “We’d like to add someone else to the roster that could play first base and preferably someone who could do more than just that.”
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Post by elguapo on Dec 4, 2012 20:31:58 GMT -5
A riddle! How do you spell Nick Swisher without the letters D R A F T P I C or K?
Youkilis could fit the riddle as well..... Final answer: "String, or nothing!"
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 4, 2012 20:38:17 GMT -5
Gomes, Ross, Victorino, Napoli...great club-house guys all. Attitude, not talent, was our major problem...now fixed...so sayeth the Red Sox. How much financial ammo do we have left? Well, whatever.....
Hey, I am renewing my season tickets. I can't wait for April.
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Post by bluechip on Dec 4, 2012 20:39:38 GMT -5
Gomes, Ross, Victorino, Napoli...great club-house guys all. Attitude, not talent, was our major problem...now fixed...so sayeth the Red Sox. How much financial ammo do we have left? Well, whatever..... Hey, I am renewing my season tickets. I can't wait for April. about $50 million this year, I believe.
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Post by leo on Dec 4, 2012 20:40:58 GMT -5
They're not giving up this pick, and that's why they will go after Anibal Sanchez. Do it!
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Post by Guidas on Dec 4, 2012 20:41:33 GMT -5
Heyman on MLBN: Sox are still in play on Hamilton. If Speier is right and the Sox are at $140M against lux tax with latest signing, Hamilton is a very unlikely addition as the only way the Sox would land him would be for a shorter (i.e. 4 yr) deal with more money per year. Not likely to happen now that Ben has given away most of the bag of gold for a handful of magic "Gee I hope they play like they did two years ago" beans.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 4, 2012 20:44:34 GMT -5
Sign Hamilton. Trade Ellsbury for Cliff Lee. Sign a second tier FA SP (Jackson, Marcum, whatever), and that's your team. So the team would be: Victorino Pedroia Hamilton Napoli Ortiz Middlebrooks Gomes/Nava Lavarnaway/Ross Iglesias Lee, Buchholz, Lester, Jackson, Lackey LHRP: Miller RHRP: Tawaza Closer: Bailey Not a bad team Define "bad" because that looks like about 84 wins to me. 78 if Bailey is really your closer because he'll miss 1/3 of the season at least (if past performance is any indicator of future expectations).
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Post by jioh on Dec 4, 2012 21:04:58 GMT -5
A riddle! How do you spell Nick Swisher without the letters D R A F T P I C or K? Youkilis could fit the riddle as well..... Final answer: "String, or nothing!" Chavez. LHH, can play 1b or 3b and ph (e.g for Ross with Napoli moving to C). Yanks can give him more time with unicorn-boy out, but we can either outbid them or up the price just to mess with them
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Post by hammyofdoom on Dec 4, 2012 21:16:45 GMT -5
Keith Law on the Victorino deal specifically and the Red Sox off season in general (http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog/_/name/law_keith/id/8711965/shane-victorino-deal-boston-red-sox-doomed-fail-mlb): an excerpt: The Sox have now squandered a substantial amount of the payroll flexibility they obtained over the summer when they traded Adrian Gonzalez to the Los Angeles Dodgers just to rid themselves of two awful contracts, yet they have little to show for their recent spending spree. What else would they do with the flexibility? The big part of them getting rid of the bad contracts was not 2013, 2014, and not even really 2015: it was the years beyond that. The Red Sox were going to pay 40 million dollars a year for two players going into their late 30s and pushing up towards 2020. The only big free agents coming up are Josh Hamilton this year and players like Kershaw that should be locked up before they even hit the market. This flexibility has jack to do with this coming year or the year after, it has to do with when Bogaerts, Bradley Jr. and Barnes (or some other pitching prospect) hits the majors full time and the Red Sox have to build a team around those centerpieces
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Post by bluechip on Dec 4, 2012 21:18:17 GMT -5
So the team would be: Victorino Pedroia Hamilton Napoli Ortiz Middlebrooks Gomes/Nava Lavarnaway/Ross Iglesias Lee, Buchholz, Lester, Jackson, Lackey LHRP: Miller RHRP: Tawaza Closer: Bailey Not a bad team Define "bad" because that looks like about 84 wins to me. 78 if Bailey is really your closer because he'll miss 1/3 of the season at least (if past performance is any indicator of future expectations). With Cliff Lee (not happening) and Hamilton that is more than an 84 win team. Also Closers are never worth 18 wins (b/c you are implying that his missing 1/3 of a season is worth six wins).
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Post by buffs4444 on Dec 4, 2012 22:18:02 GMT -5
so.......a lot depends on the SP that comes back in the Ellsbury deal and whether they can sign that starter to a multi-year deal (if he's not already signed for more than 2013.
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Post by elguapo on Dec 4, 2012 22:19:54 GMT -5
Pitches per plate appearance, 2012, selected:
Napoli 4.43 Youkilis 4.36 Cody Ross 4.13 Choo 4.10 Nava 4.07 Salty 4.06 Gomes 4.05 Pedroia 3.97 Chavez 3.92 Papi 3.91 Ellsbury 3.89 WMB 3.88 Hamilton 3.69 Victorino 3.69 Adrian Gonzalez 3.66 Ichiro 3.48
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Post by buffs4444 on Dec 4, 2012 22:38:55 GMT -5
Actually, wondering if Ellsbury could be used as a value piece in a Stanton deal to appease the "watchful eye" the commissioner stated he'd place on the Marlins this offseason. Still may require two more top 3 prospects, but it would effectively be two top prospects and a #1 pick for Stanton. Hmmmm....
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Post by bluechip on Dec 4, 2012 23:12:32 GMT -5
So I hear speculation that Trevor Bauer might be on the block. Someone I would love the Red Sox to accquire.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 4, 2012 23:25:33 GMT -5
Actually, wondering if Ellsbury could be used as a value piece in a Stanton deal to appease the "watchful eye" the commissioner stated he'd place on the Marlins this offseason. Still may require two more top 3 prospects, but it would effectively be two top prospects and a #1 pick for Stanton. Hmmmm.... Too bad the Sox GM isn't thinking like this. Best thing I've heard all day, Lou. Well, other than that Jeter's now looking more like a buzzheaded Kevin James.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 5, 2012 0:40:47 GMT -5
Actually, wondering if Ellsbury could be used as a value piece in a Stanton deal to appease the "watchful eye" the commissioner stated he'd place on the Marlins this offseason. Still may require two more top 3 prospects, but it would effectively be two top prospects and a #1 pick for Stanton. Hmmmm.... Too bad the Sox GM isn't thinking like this. Best thing I've heard all day, Lou. Well, other than that Jeter's now looking more like a buzzheaded Kevin James. and you know he isn't thinking this HOW? DO you really think Ells would be a large part of a trade for stanton when he is NOT cost controlled for many years like they would want for stanton? even if we include our top prosepcts.... anyway its moot becuase Bud wont allow stanton to leave MIA.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 5, 2012 1:02:51 GMT -5
Jon Heyman @jonheymancbs #redsox are "not focusing on" josh hamilton. (maybe josh should have stayed home.)
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Post by soxfanatic on Dec 5, 2012 3:12:14 GMT -5
Rival officials believe that the Red Sox are laying the groundwork for a trade of Jacoby Ellsbury, for the pitching they need - Buster Olney.
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Post by burythehammer on Dec 5, 2012 5:06:39 GMT -5
So I hear speculation that Trevor Bauer might be on the block. Someone I would love the Red Sox to accquire. I'm not opposed to trading him for a SP prospect but I'd like it to be someone with a few less question marks,.
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