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6/30 ML Gameday Thread: Ranaudo & Diaz close out the month
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Jun 29, 2014 16:36:30 GMT -5
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 30, 2014 6:59:11 GMT -5
Strong pitching as per always.
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Post by okin15 on Jun 30, 2014 7:47:49 GMT -5
Man, I didn't realize Diaz had been KILLING it since he moved to AA. I wonder if the book on him has changed at all this year. Anyone gotten up to see him or seen a report from elsewhere? Hoping he'll get some media exposure now that he's in Prospectdom -- I mean Portland.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 30, 2014 7:49:29 GMT -5
Ranaudo last 4 starts 4BB total Diaz first 2 AA starts 14IP 136 pitches total.
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Post by okin15 on Jun 30, 2014 7:54:00 GMT -5
Ranaudo last 4 starts 4BB total Diaz first 2 AA starts 14IP 136 pitches total. Only negative from Diaz has been a .6 GB/FB which is both small sample size and nit-picking.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 30, 2014 8:10:07 GMT -5
Man, I didn't realize Diaz had been KILLING it since he moved to AA. I wonder if the book on him has changed at all this year. Anyone gotten up to see him or seen a report from elsewhere? Hoping he'll get some media exposure now that he's in Prospectdom -- I mean Portland. Take this for what it's worth. It's from a combination of things that I've read and heard/seen during games. Diaz was my pre-season sleeper pick so I've been following closely. He's different than the profile but that was written after Ian saw him in the spring. My speculation only. Since I'm pretty sure Ian knows what he's looking at, I'm guessing Diaz is one of the tons of pitchers that have a dead arm period in spring training. First this is an incredibly efficient pitcher. The reason I know the pitch counts is that I knew that from Salem. He features a heavy fastball that he uses to get strike one. He breaks a lot of bats with it. Sits 92-93 throughout and tops out at 94. His second best pitch is his change. I'm guessing it is plus now and maybe plus-plus or at least has that potential. I haven't gotten a handle yet on how he uses his curve and slider but he has both. I also know that the slider can feature a sharp break, I don't know about the curve. It's going to take me a while to see how he uses them, announcers don't call all the pitches and I'm not that great at eyeballing a distant camera shot. I do know that in the games I listened to in Salem, he mostly used sliders as his third pitch but the game I saw for Portland, it was curves. Black box at this point to me but we'll likely have eyes on him now that he's in Prospectdom. On the flyballs, he gets a lot of pop-ups and lazy flies. Last time out, late in the game, against two specific batters, he got 2 Ks throwing all changeups.
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Post by cologneredsox on Jun 30, 2014 8:41:58 GMT -5
I've never really understood why everyone seemed to be so sceptical about him. He was really dominant last year from midsummer going forward.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 30, 2014 9:00:50 GMT -5
I've never really understood why everyone seemed to be so sceptical about him. He was really dominant last year from midsummer going forward. I can understand the skepticism because of the logistics. I'm sure the Sox know either way but from an outsider perspective, unless somebody gets to Greenville with a 'pedigree' there really aren't any eyes to see what's actually happening. For us outsiders, it becomes a matter of scouting the boxes. It's not at all uncommon for a hitter or pitcher to be advanced enough to dominate lower levels but not have the goods to be successful when he competes against other advanced players that do have the goods.
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Post by jmei on Jun 30, 2014 9:29:34 GMT -5
Re: Diaz
Per minorleaguecentral, for the year, he's actually gotten a below-average number of infield fly balls this year (7.6%; league-average is closer to 10%). That number has ticked up somewhat in Portland (12.5% in a tiny two-game sample), though. Overall, as was mentioned above, he's a fly ball pitcher, with a 38.9% ground ball rate this year.
He's put up a great ERA in Portland, but his peripherals are less impressive (1.29 ERA, 3.29 FIP, 4.23 SIERA). The same was true in Salem (3.33 ERA, 3.29 FIP, 4.27 SIERA). He doesn't walk a lot of guys, but he doesn't miss many bats, either. A lot of his success has been driven by well below-average home run rates, but I'm not sure how sustainable that is, especially considering his fly ball tendencies.
In my mind, he's the next Keith Couch-- a guy who puts together some pretty great box scores and is everyone's favorite sleeper prospect, but just isn't good enough to stand out amongst the guys with better pedigrees and flashier stuff.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 30, 2014 9:59:38 GMT -5
Re: Diaz Per minorleaguecentral, for the year, he's actually gotten a below-average number of infield fly balls this year (7.6%; league-average is closer to 10%). That number has ticked up somewhat in Portland (12.5% in a tiny two-game sample), though. Overall, as was mentioned above, he's a fly ball pitcher, with a 38.9% ground ball rate this year. He's put up a great ERA in Portland, but his peripherals are less impressive (1.29 ERA, 3.29 FIP, 4.23 SIERA). The same was true in Salem (3.33 ERA, 3.29 FIP, 4.27 SIERA). He doesn't walk a lot of guys, but he doesn't miss many bats, either. A lot of his success has been driven by well below-average home run rates, but I'm not sure how sustainable that is, especially considering his fly ball tendencies. In my mind, he's the next Keith Couch-- a guy who puts together some pretty great box scores and is everyone's favorite sleeper prospect, but just isn't good enough to stand out amongst the guys with better pedigrees and flashier stuff. jmei, FB guys with actual HR/FB and BABIP skills (and hence ERA < advanced metrics) tend to either be guys with extraordinary command, or with some deception or other funk in their delivery (e.g., Jered Weaver). Does Diaz fit the latter, to your knowledge?
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Post by jmei on Jun 30, 2014 10:08:50 GMT -5
That's definitely a better question for Ray. I've not seen Diaz this year, just been scouting the box scores (or rather, the stat databases).
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 30, 2014 10:17:39 GMT -5
Re: Diaz Per minorleaguecentral, for the year, he's actually gotten a below-average number of infield fly balls this year (7.6%; league-average is closer to 10%). That number has ticked up somewhat in Portland (12.5% in a tiny two-game sample), though. Overall, as was mentioned above, he's a fly ball pitcher, with a 38.9% ground ball rate this year. He's put up a great ERA in Portland, but his peripherals are less impressive (1.29 ERA, 3.29 FIP, 4.23 SIERA). The same was true in Salem (3.33 ERA, 3.29 FIP, 4.27 SIERA). He doesn't walk a lot of guys, but he doesn't miss many bats, either. A lot of his success has been driven by well below-average home run rates, but I'm not sure how sustainable that is, especially considering his fly ball tendencies. In my mind, he's the next Keith Couch-- a guy who puts together some pretty great box scores and is everyone's favorite sleeper prospect, but just isn't good enough to stand out amongst the guys with better pedigrees and flashier stuff. jmei, FB guys with actual HR/FB and BABIP skills (and hence ERA < advanced metrics) tend to either be guys with extraordinary command, or with some deception or other funk in their delivery (e.g., Jered Weaver). Does Diaz fit the latter, to your knowledge? Ya mean like Hank?!
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Post by okin15 on Jun 30, 2014 11:58:15 GMT -5
Re: Diaz Per minorleaguecentral, for the year, he's actually gotten a below-average number of infield fly balls this year (7.6%; league-average is closer to 10%). That number has ticked up somewhat in Portland (12.5% in a tiny two-game sample), though. Overall, as was mentioned above, he's a fly ball pitcher, with a 38.9% ground ball rate this year. He's put up a great ERA in Portland, but his peripherals are less impressive (1.29 ERA, 3.29 FIP, 4.23 SIERA). The same was true in Salem (3.33 ERA, 3.29 FIP, 4.27 SIERA). He doesn't walk a lot of guys, but he doesn't miss many bats, either. A lot of his success has been driven by well below-average home run rates, but I'm not sure how sustainable that is, especially considering his fly ball tendencies. Just to play devil's advocate here. He has been among the top 10 in K/BB in the Carolina League this year, so he really is getting a lot of contact. His .311 BABIP there doesn't ask for much regression. One could argue that his increased pop-ups in AA are just a result of the weak contact against going up rather than into the ground as some of it had been in A+. His LOB% wasn't all that good, so there's no luck adjustment there. Anyway, I don't think he's Pedro, but I do think he's better than Couch.
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Post by stevedillard on Jun 30, 2014 11:59:40 GMT -5
Was hoping we might see Chavis today,
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 30, 2014 12:00:17 GMT -5
Was hoping we might see Chavis today, bust
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 30, 2014 12:11:05 GMT -5
I, for one, am offended by the dissing of one of the systems unheralded prospects - Keith Couch. I mean, he's not even pitching today.
In all seriousness, while it won't be in Boston, he will pitch in the big leagues somewhere.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 30, 2014 13:35:42 GMT -5
That's definitely a better question for Ray. I've not seen Diaz this year, just been scouting the box scores (or rather, the stat databases). No his delivery doesn't look unusual at all. He doesn't strike out a lot but he also doesn't give up much hard contact. Pretty much nobody is squaring the ball. Just to be clear it's more a case of nothing caught my eye. I rarely look at pitcher mechanics in detail. I watch the batter and the catcher when I'm trying to figure out a pitcher. How are they reacting.
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Post by nmacny on Jun 30, 2014 13:43:09 GMT -5
I'm not sure this deserves its own thread; so I'll post it here. I was reading Speier's minor league round-up this morning, which focuses on Sean Coyle. At one point, Speier suggests that beyond Swihart and Devers, few players in the Sox system can match Coyle's ceiling. He goes on to list some others that you could make an argument for, and one of the names he mentions is GCL SS Javier Guerra. I have to admit, he's not a guy I've paid much attention to, and I don't recall hearing (reading) much conversation on here about him. Did I just miss the boat on this one?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 30, 2014 13:46:58 GMT -5
I'm not sure this deserves its own thread; so I'll post it here. I was reading Speier's minor league round-up this morning, which focuses on Sean Coyle. At one point, Speier suggests that beyond Swihart and Devers, few players in the Sox system can match Coyle's ceiling. He goes on to list some others that you could make an argument for, and one of the names he mentions is GCL SS Javier Guerra. I have to admit, he's not a guy I've paid much attention to, and I don't recall hearing (reading) much conversation on here about him. Did I just miss the boat on this one? LOL, that caught my eye too and because it's Speier, I'm going to pay attention. I have seen others mention him though. (One of our Dominican baseball followers) I posted a link in the Coyle thread.
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Post by jmei on Jun 30, 2014 13:47:03 GMT -5
Re: Diaz Per minorleaguecentral, for the year, he's actually gotten a below-average number of infield fly balls this year (7.6%; league-average is closer to 10%). That number has ticked up somewhat in Portland (12.5% in a tiny two-game sample), though. Overall, as was mentioned above, he's a fly ball pitcher, with a 38.9% ground ball rate this year. He's put up a great ERA in Portland, but his peripherals are less impressive (1.29 ERA, 3.29 FIP, 4.23 SIERA). The same was true in Salem (3.33 ERA, 3.29 FIP, 4.27 SIERA). He doesn't walk a lot of guys, but he doesn't miss many bats, either. A lot of his success has been driven by well below-average home run rates, but I'm not sure how sustainable that is, especially considering his fly ball tendencies. Just to play devil's advocate here. He has been among the top 10 in K/BB in the Carolina League this year, so he really is getting a lot of contact. His .311 BABIP there doesn't ask for much regression. One could argue that his increased pop-ups in AA are just a result of the weak contact against going up rather than into the ground as some of it had been in A+. His LOB% wasn't all that good, so there's no luck adjustment there. Anyway, I don't think he's Pedro, but I do think he's better than Couch. As I mentioned, he has good command, which means he has a good K/BB, but that stat is less predictive than a stat like K%-BB%, which Diaz would rank more poorly in. His ERA wasn't too far off from his K/BB/HR peripherals in Salem; my point there was just that a lot of his success was driven by a low HR rate that is probably not sustainable. He's had only two starts in Portland, so his AA stats are in extreme small sample sizes and thus probably not worth analyzing. I think he's more Keith Couch than Brandon Workman or Brian Johnson, and am a little confused why a fair number of folks have him being protected in the Rule 5 draft this offseason. But that's a matter for another thread.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 30, 2014 13:50:46 GMT -5
Couch doesn't have Diaz fastball. Actually, neither do Johnson or Workman. When he jams a right handed batter, he's going to break a lot of bats.
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Post by jmei on Jun 30, 2014 13:51:55 GMT -5
I'm not sure this deserves its own thread; so I'll post it here. I was reading Speier's minor league round-up this morning, which focuses on Sean Coyle. At one point, Speier suggests that beyond Swihart and Devers, few players in the Sox system can match Coyle's ceiling. He goes on to list some others that you could make an argument for, and one of the names he mentions is GCL SS Javier Guerra. I have to admit, he's not a guy I've paid much attention to, and I don't recall hearing (reading) much conversation on here about him. Did I just miss the boat on this one? Speier apparently got really positive reports on Guerra over the course of 2013 and has been talking him up since. Here's what I think is his initial mention of Guerra, and here's his preseason scouting report on young Javier. ADD: Speier also ranked Guerra 27th in his preseason BA top 30, ahead of guys like Tzu-Wei Lin, Nick Longhi, Alex Hassan, and Sean Coyle. So yeah, he's been on Guerra for a while, despite the middling stats and lack of hype from other sources.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 30, 2014 13:59:00 GMT -5
Ian Cundall also had Guerra as one to watch after seeing him in spring training. Short version: he was impessed especially with Guerra's defense and bat control, but said there wasn't anything in the way of power there right now. He got a $250K bonus in 2012.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 30, 2014 14:04:40 GMT -5
I'm not sure this deserves its own thread; so I'll post it here. I was reading Speier's minor league round-up this morning, which focuses on Sean Coyle. At one point, Speier suggests that beyond Swihart and Devers, few players in the Sox system can match Coyle's ceiling. He goes on to list some others that you could make an argument for, and one of the names he mentions is GCL SS Javier Guerra. I have to admit, he's not a guy I've paid much attention to, and I don't recall hearing (reading) much conversation on here about him. Did I just miss the boat on this one? Speier apparently got really positive reports on Guerra over the course of 2013 and has been talking him up since. Here's what I think is his initial mention of Guerra, and here's his preseason scouting report on young Javier. ADD: Speier also ranked Guerra 27th in his preseason BA top 30, ahead of guys like Tzu-Wei Lin, Nick Longhi, Alex Hassan, and Sean Coyle. So yeah, he's been on Guerra for a while, despite the middling stats and lack of hype from other sources. The players at the bottom of the initial report are interesting. Johnson: " a lot of team officials like him as a future No. 3 or No. 4 starter." Thank you Alex, glad I'm not alone on that boat.
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Post by nmacny on Jun 30, 2014 14:06:18 GMT -5
Thanks philsbosoxfan and jmei ... I will certainly be paying more attention moving forward.
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