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Post by rodson on Jul 3, 2014 16:37:41 GMT -5
Do you think there is potentially a good match between Red Sox and Cubs as far as trade partners in terms of each team prospects? Both have a really strong farm system, yet the Red Sox have an excess of young pitching prospects closer to the major league while the Cubs system is a bit weaker as far as impacts pitching prospects. On the other hand the Cubs have a lot of high ceiling position players which fits can fits Red Sox positional needs betters than its own top positional prospects (i.e. Baez, Soler, Almora and Bryant are better fits to Red Sox than Mookie for instance). On the top of all that, there is the added familiarity of the Cubs front office to the Red Sox players (some of which have been drafted by Epstein and Hoyer. My idea of a potential trade if I was in the front office would be:
Ranaudo, Barnes, Webster and Mookie for Bryant or Baez plus Soler or Almora.
Do you agree?
Would you do this trade?
Any other trade ideas?
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Post by nothingball on Jul 3, 2014 17:27:38 GMT -5
Interesting concept but these kind of trade don't happen for the same reason you wouldn't trade 5 - $1 lottery tickets for 5 other lottery tickets. GM generally want to know what they have before assigning value to a prospect.
Also, it would be counter productive to include a major league ready hitter in Betts for anyone not knocking on the door to the majors. Bryant has ripped through the minors, but i'll still take Betts at the moments for what he brings to the table as a complete player.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jul 4, 2014 22:10:52 GMT -5
Cubs have apparently traded Samardjia and Hammels to Oakland for Addison Russell, Dan Straily and Billy McKinney. That should have some impact on any future Cubs/Sox transactions.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 4, 2014 23:15:12 GMT -5
I doubt the Cubs would entertain the swap listed above. Bryant projects to be a possible HR champion. Serious power is rare in today's game. Betts will be a helluva hitter, potential batting champs, but there's no way the Cubs deal Bryant or the power of Baez.
And Webster, Ranaudo, and Barnes are hardly sweeteners in the deals. Neither of those three prospects are likely to be more than a back of the rotation starter at best, so no, the Cubs aren't going to add Almora or Soler.
More likely the Cubs' trade they just made would likely make them more likely to go after a Jon Lester in free agency as their pitching is thin, but they have the young talent in the everyday lineup to afford a big-time pitcher, especially one they're familiar with. (just like CC's surgery would make the Yankees a very ripe candidate for going after Lester)
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Post by malynn19 on Jul 4, 2014 23:55:32 GMT -5
Everyone's prospects look better than their own, yup, this is a Red Sox website. Be happy with what we have, cause we are the envy of MLB despite our freaking record atm.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 5, 2014 0:05:39 GMT -5
Everyone's prospects look better than their own, yup, this is a Red Sox website. Be happy with what we have, cause we are the envy of MLB despite our freaking record atm. I'm not trashing the Sox' prospects. I think Betts will be great, but he's not a power hitter the way Bryant is. I like Swihart a lot as well. My gut tells me that Devers will be fantastic and I still believe in Bradley and think Bogaerts will figure out how to hit the slider and be an all-star down the road sooner than later. The cupboard is hardly bare, but beyond Owens the Sox don't have much front-line starting pitching in the system. Hopefully one day those two youngsters the Sox signed in the international draft changes that fact. The Sox certainly have major league caliber pitchers at AAA. I'm just saying they're not top of the rotation type starters and I doubt those particular pitchers are the envy of other organizations. They're useful pitchers but not ones you'd give up your own top prospects to acquire. |
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Post by jdb on Jul 16, 2014 20:48:33 GMT -5
Bowden talks about the Cubs in his article today and said talk at the futures game had Baez to 3B, Bryant to RF. Also goes on about Alamar. Reading between the lines could Soler be the odd man out? insider.espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-office/post?id=9868• Cubs shortstop prospect Javier Baez's opposite-field home run was as impressive as Gallo's bombs, and his bat speed had scouts once again comparing him to Gary Sheffield. They also were impressed with the eradication of his slight hitch. However, watching him stay back on balls at shortstop and then having to show off his arm to make even routine outs only strengthened the notion that it's just a matter of time before the Cubs move him to either second or third base. • While Cubs third base prospect Kris Bryant didn't show off his uber talent Sunday, he did make a nice play to his left and showed why he could stay at third if the Cubs want him there. However, following the acquisition of Addison Russell, most scouts believe the Cubs will move him to right field by next year. • Another Cubs prospect, Albert Almora, was not at the Futures Game, but that didn't stop scouts from raving about him and projecting future All-Star appearances for him in center field. There's no doubt the Epstein blueprint is working; it's only a matter of two more years of patience for Cubs fans. This group of position-player prospects might be the best this game has seen since the Big Red Machine days in the mid-'70s. |
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 17, 2014 7:40:13 GMT -5
Reading between the lines could Soler be the odd man out? The odd man out will be the guy who turns out to not be able to hit major league pitching. |
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Post by redsox1534 on Jul 17, 2014 17:44:46 GMT -5
I been saying for a while theres not a lot of good power bats in the MLB that could be had in a trade or FA. Our best chance of acquiring power imo is threw the minors. Trading Mookie Betts straight up for Javier Baez. Dont think the Cubs would bite on that. Just throwing out a hypothetical idea of what i am talking about. Cubs seem like one of the best chances of something like this happening. From My understanding They have a real hard on for Bryant and aint moving him. Baez could be a real option tho. Might need a third team to make a deal like this happen who want Mookie and have pitching to deal. Or we can offer a phew good prospects to secure a deal. Think they would consider Swihart straight up for Baez mybe even Bryant. I dont want to deal Swihart tho.
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Post by grmoore27 on Jul 17, 2014 21:15:20 GMT -5
Everyone's prospects look better than their own, yup, this is a Red Sox website. Be happy with what we have, cause we are the envy of MLB despite our freaking record atm. I'm not trashing the Sox' prospects. I think Betts will be great, but he's not a power hitter the way Bryant is. I like Swihart a lot as well. My gut tells me that Devers will be fantastic and I still believe in Bradley and think Bogaerts will figure out how to hit the slider and be an all-star down the road sooner than later. The cupboard is hardly bare, but beyond Owens the Sox don't have much front-line starting pitching in the system. Hopefully one day those two youngsters the Sox signed in the international draft changes that fact. The Sox certainly have major league caliber pitchers at AAA. I'm just saying they're not top of the rotation type starters and I doubt those particular pitchers are the envy of other organizations. They're useful pitchers but not ones you'd give up your own top prospects to acquire. |
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Post by grmoore27 on Jul 17, 2014 21:24:43 GMT -5
I'm not trashing the Sox' prospects. I think Betts will be great, but he's not a power hitter the way Bryant is. I like Swihart a lot as well. My gut tells me that Devers will be fantastic and I still believe in Bradley and think Bogaerts will figure out how to hit the slider and be an all-star down the road sooner than later. The cupboard is hardly bare, but beyond Owens the Sox don't have much front-line starting pitching in the system. Hopefully one day those two youngsters the Sox signed in the international draft changes that fact. The Sox certainly have major league caliber pitchers at AAA. I'm just saying they're not top of the rotation type starters and I doubt those particular pitchers are the envy of other organizations. They're useful pitchers but not ones you'd give up your own top prospects to acquire. The sox do have front line pitching beyond Owens. De la Rosa has electric stuff. Power fast ball, excellent change up. All he has to do is develop the slider -- which he is more than capable of -- and he will be a No.2 at worst. Raunado was slated as a top 10 pick going into his junior year of college. He was a big time prospect before he got injured in his junior year. When health like he has been this season and last, he has been dominant and can be more than a back end starter -- not withstanding the arbitrary and conclusory notion on this message board that he destined to be a back end starter. Finally, there is allen webster. From what i read regarding him is that of all of the pitching prospects we have, this guy has the best stuff out of any of them when he is going. so far he has been more consistent with his control and absolutely could be a no. 2. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 17, 2014 22:23:36 GMT -5
I'm not trashing the Sox' prospects. I think Betts will be great, but he's not a power hitter the way Bryant is. I like Swihart a lot as well. My gut tells me that Devers will be fantastic and I still believe in Bradley and think Bogaerts will figure out how to hit the slider and be an all-star down the road sooner than later. The cupboard is hardly bare, but beyond Owens the Sox don't have much front-line starting pitching in the system. Hopefully one day those two youngsters the Sox signed in the international draft changes that fact. The Sox certainly have major league caliber pitchers at AAA. I'm just saying they're not top of the rotation type starters and I doubt those particular pitchers are the envy of other organizations. They're useful pitchers but not ones you'd give up your own top prospects to acquire. The sox do have front line pitching beyond Owens. De la Rosa has electric stuff. Power fast ball, excellent change up. All he has to do is develop the slider -- which he is more than capable of -- and he will be a No.2 at worst. Raunado was slated as a top 10 pick going into his junior year of college. He was a big time prospect before he got injured in his junior year. When health like he has been this season and last, he has been dominant and can be more than a back end starter -- not withstanding the arbitrary and conclusory notion on this message board that he destined to be a back end starter. Finally, there is allen webster. From what i read regarding him is that of all of the pitching prospects we have, this guy has the best stuff out of any of them when he is going. so far he has been more consistent with his control and absolutely could be a no. 2. Or just as realistically, De La Rosa could lack command consistently and wind up a middle of the rotation or perhaps even as a good closer. He's not a given #2. He just have a shot though. I've always liked him, but I'm not sold on him fronting a rotation yet. Webster's stuff, from what I've read, has declined some, although perhaps on purpose as he seems to be pitching to contact more. This is because his command had been pretty spotty. Consistent command is what's needed to be a #2 type pitcher. I'm hardly ready to annoint De La Rosa or Webster as front of the rotation type pitchers. I can be convinced on Owens though, but I need to see more from De La Rosa and I think it's pretty telling that Webster hasn't been called up this season yet. They both could develop, but if I'm another team I want Owens first, De La Rosa second, and Webster third and I'd want Owens first by a good margin. |
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Post by nomar on Jul 17, 2014 22:51:19 GMT -5
Lol Ranaudo will be lucky to be a 4th starter in Boston with his low K, FB tendencies.
RDLR has #2 potential but his fastball isn't missing as many bats as i would hope.
Owens I think will be more of a 3. If he can substantially cut his walks (like Cliff Lee did in his prime and after) he could definitely be a stud. For lanky lefties like him it takes time. Cliff Lee obviously is more of an outlier than the rule.
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Post by redsox1534 on Sept 17, 2014 17:33:20 GMT -5
I think we need to trade for a top young middle of the order bat. THe Cubs have lots of those and need SP as well as a C and a good top of the order type of bat who can do it all.
Betts, Vazquez, Webster or Ranuado. For one of Bryant/Baez or Soler or Swihart, JBJ, Webster/Ranuado for one of Bryant, Baez or Soler, mybe we get back something of lesser value along with one of those players also. Bryant, Baez would fill 3B. I think we will make a deal with the Cubs this year or get in searious disscussions and try and make a deal with them this year for one of these guys or Castro. Dont want Castro really tho.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Sept 17, 2014 19:51:17 GMT -5
Its fantasy talk and won't happen, but I would rather stay clear of Baez. He might be great and better than Bryant or Soler but I'd rather someone else find that out. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy too many strikeouts.
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Post by xanderbogaerts2 on Sept 17, 2014 19:57:12 GMT -5
these things just don't really happen often and i don't see them trading Bryant and I don't like Baez. Soler or Vogelbach, and Russell might be the best possibility but I don't see it.
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 17, 2014 22:14:07 GMT -5
Theo still owes us a player for Doubront. With the way he's pitched in his last two outings, I'm hoping the return is something of value. Olt?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 17, 2014 22:46:48 GMT -5
Theo still owes us a player for Doubront. With the way he's pitched in his last two outings, I'm hoping the return is something of value. Olt? Olt would be negative value at this point. I'm thinking Chris Carpenter and Aaron Kurcz. Haha. |
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