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7/12 ML Gameday Thread: Portland plays 2; Kopech debuts
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Jul 10, 2014 21:48:58 GMT -5
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Jul 12, 2014 6:35:45 GMT -5
Michael Kopech makes his pro debut today.
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Post by jdb on Jul 12, 2014 8:42:33 GMT -5
Amfox and others. Any ideas or predictions on who goes to the fall league for us? Seems Brentz could make up some ABs.
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Post by sittingstill on Jul 12, 2014 9:45:32 GMT -5
Spinners are listing Rob Smorol as today's starter.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 12, 2014 9:48:37 GMT -5
Amfox and others. Any ideas or predictions on who goes to the fall league for us? Seems Brentz could make up some ABs. My quick guesses (year in parentheses, if they have previously played in the AFL): Bryce Brentz (2012) John Ely (??) Joe Gunkel (NA) (sub-AA pick) Two of Michael Almanzar (2012), Derrik Gibson (2013), Sean Coyle (NA) and David Chester (NA) Two of Noe Ramirez (2013), Robby Scott (NA) and Aaron Kurcz (NA)
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 12, 2014 10:03:38 GMT -5
Kopech is super-talented but really raw, so can we all agree to not freak out if he doesn't pitch well out of the gate? He's the type of high-upside guy people always seem to want on draft day, but he's probably going to be a long follow.
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 12, 2014 10:47:28 GMT -5
1 inning, no runs, 2 ks, 1 hit. Just what you can hope for from a hard throwing first round hs kid.
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 12, 2014 10:56:32 GMT -5
Devers has slipped below .500. He did hit a two run homer, though.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 12, 2014 11:01:21 GMT -5
Amfox and others. Any ideas or predictions on who goes to the fall league for us? Seems Brentz could make up some ABs. My quick guesses (year in parentheses, if they have previously played in the AFL): Bryce Brentz (2012) John Ely (??) Joe Gunkel (NA) (sub-AA pick) Two of Michael Almanzar (2012), Derrik Gibson (2013), Sean Coyle (NA) and David Chester (NA) Two of Noe Ramirez (2013), Robby Scott (NA) and Aaron Kurcz (NA) Yeah if Brentz is healthy, seems like a no-brainer. Coyle and Almanzar too. And Kurcz probably. Gibson makes sense too if Brentz can't go. I don't think they'd send Gunkel I in his first full season. Have they ever done that with a pitcher? Don't they usually send a catcher? Would think Swihart might be the guy. Finishing school a la Cecchini and Betts last year. If not him, then Blair has missed some time, but he's getting way more reps than he ever has already. I have a feeling Augliera will go or something. The Double-A relievers make sense. What about Hinojosa maybe?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 12, 2014 11:01:59 GMT -5
Rafi Bomb!
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 12, 2014 11:09:24 GMT -5
Perfunctory Devers post - back to .500 with a double
Guerra proving to be real interesting. Should be in top 40 in a week or two.
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Post by danr on Jul 12, 2014 11:25:06 GMT -5
Why are so few HRs hit in the Gulf Coast league? Is it the size of the parks, the heavy air, or what?
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Post by danr on Jul 12, 2014 11:29:30 GMT -5
Any opinions on Monge? He is repeating the GCL, and seems to be doing considerably better than last year. How up to date is his profile?
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jul 12, 2014 12:07:01 GMT -5
Any opinions on Monge? He is repeating the GCL, and seems to be doing considerably better than last year. How up to date is his profile? I do! I actually liked his athleticism last year. He runs well and has the ability to be a good defensive outfielder. I've only seen him once this year so far, but he looked a lot better in the batter's box. He is very young and raw, but of the 3 kid outfielders they had in Fort Myers last year (Austin, Hudson, and Monge), I liked him the best. Hudson has a knack for putting his bat on the ball, but is not the athlete Monge is. Good one to keep our eye on.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 12, 2014 12:07:32 GMT -5
Devers' walk rate (.083) is actually below average for the GCL, based on last year's leaders. However ...
He has an .083 HR/Contact. Last year's leader had .058. He has a .500 BABIP. Last year's leader: .423. Most impressive, though, is his .069 K rate, which would have been second best last year.
Here are the components of the four players:
Name Team Age K% HRC BABIP Jose Pujols Phillies (R) 17 .311 .058 .245 Bryan Hudson Red Sox (R) 18 .244 .000 .423 Jose Zambrano Tigers (R) 19 .057 .020 .218 Rafael Devers Red Sox (R) 17 .069 .083 .500 Pujols, last year's HRC leader, had the 5th worst K rate and the 3rd worst BABIP. That's not an unusual combination. Zambrano, the only guy last year with a better K rate, had the second worst BABIP, also not am uncommon combo.
It's a tiny sample (29 PA), but this defies the ordinary logic of hitting. You ordinarily have to pay for power with strikeouts, lower BABIP, or both.
Oh, and his XBH / Hits in Play would rank 3rd, and just barely 2nd (.455 to .458) if we exclude guys 21 and older.
It's a good start.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jul 12, 2014 12:12:07 GMT -5
This is a VERY interesting GCL team this year. Much more than the last two. Keep watching the 2 young catchers, Fisher and Moore. Jon Denny may have a long wait to get back in the good graces of the Red Sox.
What I've noticed in the box scores for Lowell and with the team in Fort Myers, this could be a real good draft!! Damn Devers is amazing, but this team is much more.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 12, 2014 12:13:05 GMT -5
Michael Kopech with a scoreless inning in his debut, striking out two.
Extrapolating this out, I'd assume that no MLB pitchers have ever averaged 2 k's per inning and given up no runs during their time in Rookie ball, so clearly Kopech is going to be the greatest pitcher ever to play the game.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 12, 2014 12:20:26 GMT -5
Yeah if Brentz is healthy, seems like a no-brainer. Coyle and Almanzar too. And Kurcz probably. Gibson makes sense too if Brentz can't go. I don't think they'd send Gunkel I in his first full season. Have they ever done that with a pitcher? Don't they usually send a catcher? Would think Swihart might be the guy. Finishing school a la Cecchini and Betts last year. If not him, then Blair has missed some time, but he's getting way more reps than he ever has already. I have a feeling Augliera will go or something. The Double-A relievers make sense. What about Hinojosa maybe? Swihart makes sense; he was an oversight on my part. I suppose it is possible that Blair makes the leap to the AFL this year as the sub-AA guy. As to Gunkel, my thought was that most of the Portland starters currently have a lot of innings, while Gunkel has less "tread" this year because he started as a reliever. I think Augliera will be maxed out on innings by September (and I think he's hitting his ceiling now, IMO). Couch would be a possibility to repeat the AFL, depending on how long he's out, but the AFL would be a good challenge for Gunk. I don't believe that Hinojosa is eligible, as the last information I saw stated he is a resident of the Dominican Republic.
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Post by jmei on Jul 12, 2014 12:29:33 GMT -5
Why are so few HRs hit in the Gulf Coast league? Is it the size of the parks, the heavy air, or what? A lot of it is just that GCL kids are very young. Most are high school kids in their first or second season or international guys new to the U.S.; the average age is 19.7, and once you filter out the org-guy-types, most position player prospects are 18 or 19. Guys that age almost universally need to add strength, and few have the bat speed to consistently hit live pitching out of the park.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 12, 2014 12:46:49 GMT -5
Kopech's 2 Ks were from the K looking variety so I guess he has no swing and miss pitch! #Bust
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 12, 2014 12:56:20 GMT -5
Swihart makes sense; he was an oversight on my part. I suppose it is possible that Blair makes the leap to the AFL this year as the sub-AA guy. As to Gunkel, my thought was that most of the Portland starters currently have a lot of innings, while Gunkel has less "tread" this year because he started as a reliever. I think Augliera will be maxed out on innings by September (and I think he's hitting his ceiling now, IMO). Couch would be a possibility to repeat the AFL, depending on how long he's out, but the AFL would be a good challenge for Gunk. I don't believe that Hinojosa is eligible, as the last information I saw stated he is a resident of the Dominican Republic. Yeah, I definitely see where you're coming from on Gunkel. My thought on Gunkel was that he's at 71.2 right now. Say he gets another 20 this month (he's got 4 more starts probably), 25 in August/September (I'm spitballing - tell me if this is off). He'll be at 117 innings. Last year he threw just 98.1. Would they want to jump him that much more? Maybe they would. Maybe send him for half the time, then replace him with McCarthy, or the top guy from Instructs? My bad on Hinojosa. They wouldn't send Mike Miller, would they?
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 12, 2014 13:03:24 GMT -5
Kevin Thomas ?@clearthebases 3m View translation Infielder/outfielder Derrik Gibson promoted from @portlandseadogs to @pawsox
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 12, 2014 13:05:33 GMT -5
Why are so few HRs hit in the Gulf Coast league? Is it the size of the parks, the heavy air, or what? A lot of it is just that GCL kids are very young. Most are high school kids in their first or second season or international guys new to the U.S.; the average age is 19.7, and once you filter out the org-guy-types, most position player prospects are 18 or 19. Guys that age almost universally need to add strength, and few have the bat speed to consistently hit live pitching out of the park. Used to be that way in the FSL also, kids playing in ST facilities with huge foul lines and very young. League leaders would generally always have less than 20, unless it was huge physical specimens, such as Jack Baker, Dave Hostetler, or Dave Koza who would come along and whack 25-30 on their way through the league. Many of the older ST facilities had 330' down the line and 420' or greater to straight away center, such as the old Chain-0-Lakes at Winter Haven did. Those places were the norm at one time.
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 12, 2014 13:47:49 GMT -5
Michael Kopech with a scoreless inning in his debut, striking out two. Extrapolating this out, I'd assume that no MLB pitchers have ever averaged 2 k's per inning and given up no runs during their time in Rookie ball, so clearly Kopech is going to be the greatest pitcher ever to play the game. Well, if he keeps this up for the next 64.1 innings of his career, I'll sign right on to your theory.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 12, 2014 18:39:08 GMT -5
A little too early to predict future results after 1 inning of rookie ball. But I am encouraged by the start he got off to.
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