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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 31, 2014 14:28:36 GMT -5
Can't see how people are disappointed with this one There's more than a little trolling going on at this point.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 31, 2014 14:28:35 GMT -5
So Owens to AAA and Rodriguez takes his AA slot?
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Post by Guidas on Jul 31, 2014 14:32:38 GMT -5
It's free for those who glazed over since it was a BP link. Sounds like a likely back-end starter ceiling. Great return on a 2 month rental of a non-controlable reliever. Meanwhile, Rodriguez sounds like he's still improving(excerpt): His body language and overall demeanor left me with the impression that the mind is in the right place to make progress, and more repetition will drive future growth to reach the projection. Of course, Baseball Prospectus and this particular scout may get a reprimand from one of our moderators for allowing such heedless pop-psychology speculation to appear in an official appraisal of any player, but I've always found Mellen to be fair and reliable.
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Post by jbberlo on Jul 31, 2014 14:34:30 GMT -5
Id put him at #6 but could see him as far down as #9 on our list
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Post by polarbear91 on Jul 31, 2014 14:35:07 GMT -5
No they didn't they swiped away a top 75 prospect from a division rival for two months of relief pitching. In that case they should have sold the pieces for prospects, or sell them for mlb players. This half azz approach is stupid. No guarantee they can get Miller or Lester back in FA. Then you have crap pitching next yr both in starter, and LH relief. Either er build the team for 2015 or say screw it and build for 2016. As it stands this is ownership dangling the carrot to keep fannies in ballpark by saying look we will be competitive in 2015, and we all know this is at best 70win team right now even with Cespedes, Craig and Kelly. Rodriguez is at least 2-3yrs away provided he even comes close given his mediocrity in 2014 I can't for the life of me figure this post out. Just because we traded Lester and Lackey more for MLB pieces rather than MILB prospects, now we can't get a MILB prospect back for Miller? This is a guy, who rankings put in the same category as Owens. And it somehow screws up our rebuilding/retooling efforts since it is inconsistent with what we got for Lester and Lackey? We now have an overabundance of pitchers in AA/AAA from which we can trade in the offseason. We have an abundance of OF we can trade in the offseason, or even in the post non-waiver trade period. And we have free agency in the off season. But because we weren't consistent in assets we received back, the plan is flawed? I don't see the connection. Get the assets however you can get them and go from there.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 31, 2014 14:39:16 GMT -5
It's free for those who glazed over since it was a BP link. Sounds like a likely back-end starter ceiling. Great return on a 2 month rental of a non-controlable reliever. Meanwhile, Rodriguez sounds like he's still improving(excerpt): His body language and overall demeanor left me with the impression that the mind is in the right place to make progress, and more repetition will drive future growth to reach the projection. Of course, Baseball Prospectus and this particular scout may get a reprimand from one of our moderators for allowing such heedless pop-psychology speculation to appear in an official appraisal of any player, but I've always found Mellen to be fair and reliable. That is a one-game scouting report. I don't take those very seriously. No offense to Chris. Imagine one game scouting reports on Buchholz vs. Houston a few weeks ago and one from the last couple starts.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 31, 2014 14:39:22 GMT -5
Whoever said the sox are getting fleeced is crazy. He looks like a potential 3 and if he ever went to the bullpen he'd likely be a very good lefty reliever. 3 above average pitches from a left with good control? I'll take that for 2 months of miller. I also like the fact he was more of a control/command pitcher who saw an uptick in his velocity, makes me think if we move him to the pen he'd probably see another uptick in velocity and still, hopefully, have good command/control of his pitches. The simple fact that he's all of 21 and saw a goodly jump in his velocity should raise eyebrows. Pitchers sometimes go through a maturation process where this happens, and they can do that again. Throw in the fact that there's no reason in the world why the Sox, with their pile of loose cash next year, couldn't get Miller back if they really want him, and you've got a very nice looking trade. Look if the Sox want to re=sign players they have all the money they need to do it. What difference does it make if they trade them before the year's out? If anything Lester will be sending them roses if he gets to another WS. He certainly wasn't headed there with the Sox, not this year.
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Post by pedey on Jul 31, 2014 14:46:47 GMT -5
I almost think that the Sox got better returns on the Peavy and Miller trades than the Lester and Lackey trades.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jul 31, 2014 14:56:31 GMT -5
We sure are stock piling AAA / AA pitching talent. One would think that maybe some of these pieces need to be moved at some point.
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Post by juniorp90 on Jul 31, 2014 15:20:22 GMT -5
Why delete the post that you send? If I explain, I accept ...
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jul 31, 2014 15:23:01 GMT -5
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Post by moonstone2 on Jul 31, 2014 15:33:03 GMT -5
But once again this is another low upside arm that is relatively close to the majors.
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Post by elguapo on Jul 31, 2014 15:36:17 GMT -5
But once again this is another low high upside arm that is relatively close to the majors. By low, do you mean high? And he might be 2 years away.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 31, 2014 15:40:33 GMT -5
But once again this is another low upside arm that is relatively close to the majors. or maybe not . . . Matt Huegel @matthuegelsp RT @jnorris427 Talking about Eduardo Rodriguez, scout yesterday said he’d been up to 96, had a chance for three plus pitches & No. 2 future.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 31, 2014 15:48:06 GMT -5
But once again this is another low upside arm that is relatively close to the majors. Forgot the italics there man.
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Post by moonstone2 on Jul 31, 2014 15:51:29 GMT -5
But once again this is another low high upside arm that is relatively close to the majors. By low, do you mean high? And he might be 2 years away. No he's a low upside arm.....even with the increase in velocity only throws in the low 90s. And like the Red Sox other acquisitions he's someone who could help in 2015. I would have preferred a guy who is further away and a bigger risk but with a greater possible upside.
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Post by moonstone2 on Jul 31, 2014 16:03:16 GMT -5
But once again this is another low upside arm that is relatively close to the majors. or maybe not . . . Matt Huegel @matthuegelsp RT @jnorris427 Talking about Eduardo Rodriguez, scout yesterday said he’d been up to 96, had a chance for three plus pitches & No. 2 future. Not what the Chris Mellen report says and I trust him.
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Post by bjb406 on Jul 31, 2014 16:12:06 GMT -5
I would put him behind most of our top pitching prospects, ahead of Barnes, but probably not Ranaudo, Webster, or Johnson
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Post by taftreign on Jul 31, 2014 16:21:02 GMT -5
MlbPipeline has him behind Owens, Webster, Ranaudo but ahead of Escobar, Johnson and Barnes as one sites thoughts.
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Post by redsox1534 on Jul 31, 2014 17:01:31 GMT -5
Hes only 21. He has upside to be a good #3 starter. He has a good delivery. I like him alot. I thought he was one of the top 5 LHP in the minors coming into the year. Id say hes still top 10.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 31, 2014 17:25:28 GMT -5
The Red Sox got a future major league starter in exchange for 14 innings of Andrew Miller. Whether Rodriguez has the upside of a #2 or a #3 is mostly semantics - this was a great get.
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Post by sammo420 on Jul 31, 2014 17:54:10 GMT -5
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Post by sammo420 on Jul 31, 2014 18:00:11 GMT -5
ADD:
Couldn't add it to the original post the way I wanted to
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Post by bighead on Jul 31, 2014 18:24:09 GMT -5
In that case they should have sold the pieces for prospects, or sell them for mlb players. This half azz approach is stupid. No guarantee they can get Miller or Lester back in FA. Then you have crap pitching next yr both in starter, and LH relief. Either er build the team for 2015 or say screw it and build for 2016. As it stands this is ownership dangling the carrot to keep fannies in ballpark by saying look we will be competitive in 2015, and we all know this is at best 70win team right now even with Cespedes, Craig and Kelly. Rodriguez is at least 2-3yrs away provided he even comes close given his mediocrity in 2014 I can't for the life of me figure this post out. Just because we traded Lester and Lackey more for MLB pieces rather than MILB prospects, now we can't get a MILB prospect back for Miller? This is a guy, who rankings put in the same category as Owens. And it somehow screws up our rebuilding/retooling efforts since it is inconsistent with what we got for Lester and Lackey? We now have an overabundance of pitchers in AA/AAA from which we can trade in the offseason. We have an abundance of OF we can trade in the offseason, or even in the post non-waiver trade period. And we have free agency in the off season. But because we weren't consistent in assets we received back, the plan is flawed? I don't see the connection. Get the assets however you can get them and go from there. Exactly
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Jul 31, 2014 21:13:20 GMT -5
more from klaw... But two months of Miller, who's a free agent after the year, isn't much of a return for one of the top 100 prospects in the game, so Boston made out great here in getting Rodriguez. The 21-year-old left-hander needs more consistency and his slider is not yet an average pitch, but he's consistently up to 94 as a starter, touching 96 in his best starts, with an above-average to plus changeup in the mid- to upper 80s. His control is way ahead of his command, and my last time seeing him this year in Class AA (the fourth time I'd seen him in the past 15 months) he struggled as much with bad pitch-calling as anything else. I think he's a potential mid-rotation starter and slots in very well toward the top of the Red Sox's farm system, behind Henry Owens (who has better deception and a better changeup) but in line with the other big arms.
Depending on graduations, and lower level rebounding seasons both in august and Arizona, we could be looking at 10 top 100 guys next spring.
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