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Post by Guidas on Aug 1, 2014 8:57:09 GMT -5
With the Sox languishing down near the bottom, but still being a big budget team, they are in perfect position to make a high impact waiver wire deal. I was predicting Cliff Lee but his elbow blew up last night, but there is still opportunity. My prediction:
Cole Hamels.
Amaro's inactivity is bringing a lot of heat, so he might finally get off his butt and try something. Sox are loaded with chips and could pick up salary. Only team I could see jumping them on this who have a worse record are the Cubs, but I believe they are on Hamels no trade list.
Any others y'all think could suddenly become avail who the Sox would be interested in? With their position in the standings, it will almost like they could be exclusive trade partners for anyone who has a mind to deal a bit more.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 1, 2014 9:01:03 GMT -5
Amaro's been taking heat for years now and it hasn't made him competent. His refusal to bend to public pressure is probably a positive, even though the public is right this time.
I'd claim Hamels if he came through, but I'm just not sure the Phillies would deal him, especially if they can only take an offer from the one claiming team. I think he gets pulled back if he's claimed, unless he gets the overwhelming package that I don't want the Sox to offer anyway.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Aug 1, 2014 9:08:56 GMT -5
I assume that pretty much every Red Sox veteran will be put on waivers as soon as the baseball ops guys can catch their breath. Guys like Ross, Carp, Johnson and Badenhop may have dome utility for other teams and could provide a few more pieces for the Red Sox as they look to build for 2015 and beyond.
I think it would be difficult to construct a deal for Hamels through a waiver claim but I like the idea while Amaro is still their GM. I would expect that the Phillies would have to come down a lot with their demands for three or four prospects, in addition to eating about $3 to $5 million per year of his salary.
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Post by bluechip on Aug 1, 2014 9:14:59 GMT -5
Carp will get dealt, probably. He wants out and is completely superfluous now.
Ross will probably stay to further mentor Vazquez.
Breslow will probably go.
While I am not predicting he will be traded, would you be shocked to see Nava go to say KC? I wouldn't be.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 1, 2014 9:26:54 GMT -5
Shocked? No. But I'm not sure he gets all the way to KC before getting claimed. He's still on a team-friendly pre-arb contract. Even a non-contender like the Rockies might put in a claim.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 1, 2014 9:34:37 GMT -5
Shocked? No. But I'm not sure he gets all the way to KC before getting claimed. He's still on a team-friendly pre-arb contract. Even a non-contender like the Rockies might put in a claim. Agree - Nava is a high value platoon OF. Hell, he'd be a great DH vs. RHP on a lot AL teams given how the DH is used today, too. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 1, 2014 9:42:18 GMT -5
Nava is redundant now with Craig, pretty much just like him only much more power. They have to find AB's for Holt somewhere also position wise also.
Will be tough more than a C prospect out of him via a trade anyway. Shame, but a guy who plays average corner OF defense, no power and struggled early on with 1 decent season under his belt is going to be kind of tough to move for much more than that.
Johnson, just acquired they can go ahead and outright, not admit the Drew sign was a failure after a week or so, when the shininess of the new players wears off. Carp they should be able to get about the same type of prospect (via waiver) that they get for Nava since he has some power. Badenhop they surprisingly didn't move. Maybe hanging onto for? reason?
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 1, 2014 9:44:07 GMT -5
I really do not want to see Johnson play one game for us and will be annoyed if he does.
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Post by elguapo on Aug 1, 2014 9:53:52 GMT -5
Nava is redundant now with Craig, pretty much just like him only much more power. LHH vs RHH. So instead you could say they are great complementary pieces. Career splits (OPS): Craig: .860 vs .781 (not large splits, or atypical, but not nothing) Nava: .587 vs .815 (righty killer) Obviously their projected performance is a question - Nava is putting up .400 oba since returning from exile, and Craig is expected to bounce back from his current struggles. I think Mike Carp is a big question - they have held on to him and held on to him and are/were supposedly high on him despite giving him very limited plate appearances. And he still has another two years of team control. |
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Post by jmei on Aug 1, 2014 9:58:33 GMT -5
Nava is redundant now with Craig, pretty much just like him only much more power. Not really. They're natural platoon partners, with Nava being excellent versus RHP and Craig a right-handed hitter (though one without huge platoon splits). Nava's defensive flexibility (he can capably back up LF, RF, and 1B, and might actually give you above-average production if limited to hitting versus RHP) makes him a very valuable bench player. I don't see him being moved (at least in part because other teams may be hesitant to give up value for him), especially not before the end of the season. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 1, 2014 10:43:50 GMT -5
That was why mentioned getting Holt his AB's guys. WMB is going to be getting 3b time now in the S/term, probably Marrero moving over to SS either end of this year and Bogaerts back to 3b, or start of next year at the latest. That pushes Holt back to having to get his AB's in the OF. Nava seems like the weakest link and a roster spot that can be moved, doubt they want to option him again.
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Post by jmei on Aug 1, 2014 10:51:41 GMT -5
In left field, hitting only/mostly vs. rhp, I'd rather have Nava than Holt. I can see how you'd prefer Holt, though.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Aug 1, 2014 10:56:17 GMT -5
I am not too worried about Holt splitting ABs with others as he has been regressing the last month or so. Given the recent trades, shift of Bogaerts back to SS and promotion of Middlebrooks to play 3B it makes sense that Holt assumes the utility role.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 1, 2014 10:58:24 GMT -5
It's pretty damn nice to have a utility player who can play any position on the field pretty well. So at least we figured that out this year.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 1, 2014 11:00:20 GMT -5
In left field, hitting only/mostly vs. rhp, I'd rather have Nava than Holt. I can see how you'd prefer Holt, though. I think Holt is this team's Ben Zobrist until he proves he isn't. Or a very valuable off season sell high chip (if the Front Office thinks is poised for career-norm regression). |
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Post by artfuldodger on Aug 3, 2014 9:36:20 GMT -5
With the pressure Philadelphia is under to make a trade, Phillies ownership may take over negotiations in August.
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Post by jrffam05 on Aug 3, 2014 9:51:38 GMT -5
As much as I like both holt and betts, I just don't see how both of them fit on this roster in 2015. Betts is young so maybe we can stash him in aaa next year, but I think these two are playing themselves off this roster as trade bait.
For all the Hamel's talk, I think we have the pieces to acquire him, but raj was asking for severino for Byrd, so I'm thinking a hamels deal costs way more than we can justify giving up b
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Post by jimoh on Aug 3, 2014 17:40:45 GMT -5
As much as I like both holt and betts, I just don't see how both of them fit on this roster in 2015. Betts is young so maybe we can stash him in aaa next year, but I think these two are playing themselves off this roster as trade bait. For all the Hamel's talk, I think we have the pieces to acquire him, but raj was asking for severino for Byrd, so I'm thinking a hamels deal costs way more than we can justify giving up b Isn't someone higher up for philly going to whack Amaro upside the head for all his unrealistic expectations of what he can get back on a trade? |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 4, 2014 0:36:00 GMT -5
With the pressure Philadelphia is under to make a trade, Phillies ownership may take over negotiations in August. Pat Gillick is an assistant with the team. Perhaps a special assignment project is in order. |
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 4, 2014 8:03:39 GMT -5
This thread is largely superfluous to the other threads and is being locked.
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