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Mat Latos (and other Reds starters)
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Post by jdb on Aug 2, 2014 7:04:21 GMT -5
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 2, 2014 7:38:04 GMT -5
Latos is exactly the kind of guy we should be looking at - a pitcher who is getting too expensive for his current club - and for whom we can afford to give up some prospects.
Latos is only under club control (arb3) for 2015. We could trade an upper level prospect or two, pay Latos his $12-15mm this year in arb and make a QO next year or negotiate a longer-term deal if desired.
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Post by xxdamgoodxx on Aug 2, 2014 7:43:32 GMT -5
He's just what the Sox should be looking for to anchor the staff in the aftermath of Thursday and we should have the prospects to get anyone that's available. However, 26-year-old front-of-the-rotation starters like him are going to come with an enormous price tag (if David Price is worth Smyly, Nick Franklin, and some 18-year-old than anything is possible). There's also the whole NL to AL switch and I don't know how his GB%, FB%, and all those other advanced statistics translate to Fenway.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Aug 2, 2014 7:47:39 GMT -5
Latos is exactly the kind of guy we should be looking at - a pitcher who is getting too expensive for his current club - and for whom we can afford to give up some prospects. Latos is only under club control (arb3) for 2015. We could trade an upper level prospect or two, pay Latos his $12-15mm this year in arb and make a QO next year or negotiate a longer-term deal if desired. Agree completely, though I don't think one year of Latos is worth any of our top tier of prospects. If you can get him for a package headlined with one or two of our high minors pitchers, it makes a ton of sense. Edit: top tier meaning Owens, Swihart, Betts.
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Post by jdb on Aug 2, 2014 8:17:40 GMT -5
Cueto is a FA after the season to so they might would be tempted by our young pitching. Outside of Phillips they don't have any bad contracts and I don't know how they feel about Cozart as the SS but Marrero could be in play. They'll have a hole in LF but they have Winker nearly ready so I doubt they want any of ours.
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 2, 2014 9:05:11 GMT -5
Agree completely, though I don't think one year of Latos is worth any of our top tier of prospects. If you can get him for a package headlined with one or two of our high minors pitchers, it makes a ton of sense. Edit: top tier meaning Owens, Swihart, Betts. I was thinking the loser of the pitching audition (Webster/Ranaudo/Workman, assuming RDLR has one of the spots) and a 11-15 position prospect (Coyle/Cecchini/Holt?).
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Post by jmei on Aug 2, 2014 9:40:41 GMT -5
I think it's going to take more than that. Either multiple guys from that first group or one of Owens/Betts (but just that one guy). One below-market year of a good pitcher tends to be pretty valuable, especially if the Reds conduct a proper auction. Webster and Coyle would be not much more than the Orioles gave up for 15 innings of Miller or what the Giants gave up for two months of Peavy.
Latos is a Boras guy, right? So a trade and extend is probably not in the cards.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Aug 2, 2014 10:44:35 GMT -5
If The Reds Are Finally Able To Deal Phillips, Then Holt Could Be Very Valuable To Them.
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Post by sibbysisti on Aug 2, 2014 11:00:57 GMT -5
Cueto is a FA after the season to so they might would be tempted by our young pitching. Outside of Phillips they don't have any bad contracts and I don't know how they feel about Cozart as the SS but Marrero could be in play. They'll have a hole in LF but they have Winker nearly ready so I doubt they want any of ours. Actually, there is a 10m team option for 2015 with an 800k buyout. Cueto may be the better get as his record far exceeds Latos'.
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Post by jdb on Aug 5, 2014 6:17:48 GMT -5
I like Cueto too but given his size and age I don't think he's a guy the front office would sign long term. Latos is two years younger and has constantly been a 30+ start guy who pitches over 185 innings.
Looking at their current team they've struggled with LF production and outside of Stephenson they don't really have any internal options at SP knocking down the door and Cueto, Latos and Leak are all free agents after the year. Maybe Cespedes and someone Who projects in the back end of the rotation could pry away Latos. Cespedes + Workman?
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Post by moonstone2 on Aug 5, 2014 13:52:07 GMT -5
I like Cueto too but given his size and age I don't think he's a guy the front office would sign long term. Latos is two years younger and has constantly been a 30+ start guy who pitches over 185 innings. Looking at their current team they've struggled with LF production and outside of Stephenson they don't really have any internal options at SP knocking down the door and Cueto, Latos and Leak are all free agents after the year. Maybe Cespedes and someone Who projects in the back end of the rotation could pry away Latos. Cespedes + Workman? The Reds are actually a perfect partner for the Red Sox. They have two top pitchers, Cueto and Latos who are going to be free agents at the end of next year. With the contracts they already gave out to Votto, Phillips and Bailey, I don't see how they can afford to keep both guys. I think the trade deadline taught us that even good starters with a year left before free agency aren't going to fetch premium prospects so if the Reds are trading they can't expect an impact prospect in return so if they insist on Owens, or Bogaerts you know they aren't serious. Yet with a return to health for Votto and Phillips, and a good but not great division, the Red should expect to be competitive in 2015 and would probably be looking for inexpensive good players to help them do that and the Red Sox have some at the positions they need to fill the most, LF and SS. Daniel Nava would really help the Reds out a lot as they have a lot of hackers, other than Votto, and not a ton of lefty bats. He's not going to be expensive either. They have an option on Ludwick at $4.5M who would make a perfect platoon mate. They also probably need a SS and of course could always use young pitching both in the pen in the rotation. Unless the Rangers are going to offer Beltre for one of those guys straight up, so they can move Frazier to LF, the Red Sox might be the best partner they are going to find for either Cueto or Latos.
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Post by jdb on Aug 24, 2014 10:15:36 GMT -5
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Post by bryce on Aug 24, 2014 10:29:21 GMT -5
Will the Sox only get Mat Latos?How about adding Jay Bruce with this trade?
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 24, 2014 16:58:46 GMT -5
Will the Sox only get Mat Latos?How about adding Jay Bruce with this trade? You won't rest till they get Bruce huh?
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Post by chavopepe2 on Aug 24, 2014 18:14:30 GMT -5
Will the Sox only get Mat Latos?How about adding Jay Bruce with this trade? I would strongly recommend you find some new ways to contribute to the board beyond expressing your desire to trade for Jay Bruce.
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Post by xanderbogaerts2 on Aug 24, 2014 19:05:28 GMT -5
Will the Sox only get Mat Latos?How about adding Jay Bruce with this trade? how bout no. you have 14 posts and there all about acquiring Jay Bruce and/or Jason Heyward give it a rest.
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Post by bryce on Aug 24, 2014 20:01:01 GMT -5
What I want to say is that I will be disappointed about the only one LH outfielder the Sox will get."Jay Bruce" is just an example of LH power hitting outfielder.Red Sox is locking in Catcher,Firstbaseman,Secondbaseman ,Shortstop and Centerfielder.They are all RH,so I hope that the other positions,especially the startling ones,should be LH.If they just acquire only one LH outfield bat back,I will see our lineup as a bust when facing the RH pitcher next year.In spite of Heyward,Bruce is the only one young and available LH power hitting outfielder I can think of.But I don't say the Sox is bound to get him because of my desire.If you have other choice I would love to see it.What I want just"Two young(had better still under 29 next year)power hitting outfielders who have 20+ HR potential in our starting lineup"!
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Post by juniorp90 on Aug 24, 2014 20:28:55 GMT -5
Agree completely, though I don't think one year of Latos is worth any of our top tier of prospects. If you can get him for a package headlined with one or two of our high minors pitchers, it makes a ton of sense. Edit: top tier meaning Owens, Swihart, Betts. I was thinking the loser of the pitching audition (Webster/Ranaudo/Workman, assuming RDLR has one of the spots) and a 11-15 position prospect (Coyle/Cecchini/Holt?). I like Cashner, not having availability or contractual status (Maybe could explain it), but we can offer the same prospects you mentioned or something else, without sacrificing Betts, Swihart and Owens. SD have a hole at 3B, Cecchini could fit, with 2 or 3 pitchers level (Webster, E Rodriguez and Escobar).
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Post by ethanbein on Aug 24, 2014 21:09:03 GMT -5
What I want to say is that I will be disappointed about the only one LH outfielder the Sox will get."Jay Bruce" is just an example of LH power hitting outfielder.Red Sox is locking in Catcher,Firstbaseman,Secondbaseman ,Shortstop and Centerfielder.They are all RH,so I hope that the other positions,especially the startling ones,should be LH.If they just acquire only one LH outfield bat back,I will see our lineup as a bust when facing the RH pitcher next year.In spite of Heyward,Bruce is the only one young and available LH power hitting outfielder I can think of.But I don't say the Sox is bound to get him because of my desire.If you have other choice I would love to see it.What I want just"Two young(had better still under 29 next year)power hitting outfielders who have 20+ HR potential in our starting lineup"! 1) Please put spaces after periods and commas in your sentences. It would make your posts much, much more enjoyable to read. 2) Even if you're not great at getting it across, I think you're point about our lineup being a little too right handed for next year is reasonable. However, I don't think the lineup is going to be "a bust" when facing righties next year even if we don't have a ton of lefties. We still have Holt and Nava, and that's one reason I think they have a decent shot of sticking around even as a lot of players are shipped out. We could also add a lefty third baseman through the FA market or through trade. Headley and Sandoval, for example, are both switch hitters that hit better from the left side. Even if they do end up a little too right-handed, it's not the end of the world. It's more important to have good players. I would take the right handed outfielders we have now over a mediocre lefty like Jay Bruce.
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Post by bryce on Aug 24, 2014 22:52:00 GMT -5
2004 1.CF Johnny Damon(L) 2.3B Bill Mueller(S) 3.LF Manny Ramirez(R) 4.DH David Ortiz(L) 5.1B Kevin Millar(R) 6.RF Gabe Kapler(R) 7.C Jason Varitek(S) 8.2B Mark Bellhorn(S) 9.SS Pokey Reese(R)
2007 1.CF Coco Crisp(S) 2.1B Kevin Youkilis(R) 3.DH David Ortiz(L) 4.LF Manny Ramirez(R) 5.3B Mike Lowell(R) 6.RF J.D. Drew(L) 7.C Jason Varitek(S) 8.SS Julio Lugo(R) 9.2B Dustin Pedroia(R)
2013 1.CF Jacoby Ellsbury(L) 2.RF Shane Victorino(S/R) 3.2B Dustin Pedroia(R) 4.DH David Ortiz(L) 5.1B Mike Napoli(R) 6.LF Jonny Gomes(R) 7.C Jarrod Saltalamacchia(S) 8.3B Xander Bogaerts(R) 9.SS Stephen Drew(L)
See......? If we want to have a successful season,we should have at least 4 guys who can hit from left side in our normal starling lineup(normally faced RH pitchers). Now,our LH bats just David Ortiz in DH,maybe Brock Holt in 3B ,or we go after Heyward in RF,there is still a hole in LF which should be LH. So why do we need just only one?I think 2 will be better for us. Ok! Just forget about Bruce! We can really get two back,maybe another choice such as Domonic Brown,Melky Cabrera,Charlie Blackmon,Brandon Moss,Colby Rasmus,Oswaldo Arcia,Corey Dickerson,Kole Calhoun,Kevin Kiermaier,Joc Pederson,Michael Saunders,Chris Parmelee,Travis Snider or bring Josh Reddick back.
We heard that the Tigers,Royals(they get Josh Willingham instead),Giants and Indians are interested in Daniel Nava,I think it's time for us to move him. I don't know why when I see his hitting,he has more than 50% of chance to walk on the base. Because of this reason,my friend called him"a Walking Machine". They said he can't hit a lot of time,can't hit too many home runs and just walk always. It seems he is not a hitting guys. And his HR seldom goes on the deck,I alawys see his HR ball hit over the line and bounce back to the field. This is terrible for fans to get the ball themselves. I think last year is his peak year and then he will go from high to down now. I don't like the platoon idea again for our lineup. I don't want to see him with us next year.
Brock Holt is a stunning guy this year and I love him very much. But I don't expect his power will fit well in the corner outfield. I prefer him in the 3B.
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Post by sibbysisti on Aug 25, 2014 6:58:53 GMT -5
What I want to say is that I will be disappointed about the only one LH outfielder the Sox will get."Jay Bruce" is just an example of LH power hitting outfielder.Red Sox is locking in Catcher,Firstbaseman,Secondbaseman ,Shortstop and Centerfielder.They are all RH,so I hope that the other positions,especially the startling ones,should be LH.If they just acquire only one LH outfield bat back,I will see our lineup as a bust when facing the RH pitcher next year.In spite of Heyward,Bruce is the only one young and available LH power hitting outfielder I can think of.But I don't say the Sox is bound to get him because of my desire.If you have other choice I would love to see it.What I want just"Two young(had better still under 29 next year)power hitting outfielders who have 20+ HR potential in our starting lineup"! 1) Please put spaces after periods and commas in your sentences. It would make your posts much, much more enjoyable to read. 2) Even if you're not great at getting it across, I think you're point about our lineup being a little too right handed for next year is reasonable. However, I don't think the lineup is going to be "a bust" when facing righties next year even if we don't have a ton of lefties. We still have Holt and Nava, and that's one reason I think they have a decent shot of sticking around even as a lot of players are shipped out. We could also add a lefty third baseman through the FA market or through trade. Headley and Sandoval, for example, are both switch hitters that hit better from the left side. Even if they do end up a little too right-handed, it's not the end of the world. It's more important to have good players. I would take the right handed outfielders we have now over a mediocre lefty like Jay Bruce. While you're in a grammar correction mode , note that the possessive pronoun is "your" , not "you're" which is a contraction for "you are" as in the second sentence of your point 2.). I agree that a left or switch hitting corner infielder could benefit the balance in the lineup. But I'm not opposed to an all RHH outfield given the place where they work 81 time a year.
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Post by jmei on Aug 30, 2014 9:13:48 GMT -5
Looking at their current team they've struggled with LF production and outside of Stephenson they don't really have any internal options at SP knocking down the door and Cueto, Latos and Leak are all free agents after the year. Maybe Cespedes and someone Who projects in the back end of the rotation could pry away Latos. Cespedes + Workman? I think Cespedes and a MLB-ready pitcher (Workman works, but I could also see Ranaudo or Webster) for Latos makes a ton of sense for both teams.
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Post by bryce on Aug 30, 2014 10:14:17 GMT -5
Looking at their current team they've struggled with LF production and outside of Stephenson they don't really have any internal options at SP knocking down the door and Cueto, Latos and Leak are all free agents after the year. Maybe Cespedes and someone Who projects in the back end of the rotation could pry away Latos. Cespedes + Workman? I think Cespedes and a MLB-ready pitcher (Workman works, but I could also see Ranaudo or Webster) for Latos makes a ton of sense for both teams. I do really agree with you!!!!!
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 3, 2014 22:47:55 GMT -5
Looking at their current team they've struggled with LF production and outside of Stephenson they don't really have any internal options at SP knocking down the door and Cueto, Latos and Leak are all free agents after the year. Maybe Cespedes and someone Who projects in the back end of the rotation could pry away Latos. Cespedes + Workman? I think Cespedes and a MLB-ready pitcher (Workman works, but I could also see Ranaudo or Webster) for Latos makes a ton of sense for both teams. Do you do Cespedes and De La Rosa for Latos? I don't think I do, but I can't tell if I'm just being a homer for Rubby.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Sept 3, 2014 23:29:26 GMT -5
Here in San Diego there were some reports of attitude issues with Latos. Also, I'm almost never digging trading 4-5 years of control of a good prospect for one year of a top guy, if you can even get that deal done. Especially when we are a last place team now. It's not like we should be optimizing for a projected WS win next year.
I do think we should make an extension pitch with Cespedes though and if he doesn't bite then trade him. Make it a worthwhile contract extension offer but if he still wants to test the market trade him. We are way too RH in our lineup.
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