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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 5, 2014 21:03:10 GMT -5
But on a more on topic note, looking at that list has me thinking about our lack of high ceiling RHP talent in the system. There is Kopech, but he's pretty far off, I wonder how close he came to making the list. he's in the teens somewhere. Alex confirmed that he's got Kopech ahead of Ball fwiw.
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Post by arzjake on Nov 8, 2014 20:06:59 GMT -5
Longhi doesn't get hurt he's on the list...
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Post by cdj on Nov 8, 2014 20:25:11 GMT -5
Longhi doesn't get hurt he's on the list... IDK about that, that seems a bit aggressive. I feel as if there are more advanced bats that could potentially place above him. Personally love him as a prospect though.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Nov 8, 2014 21:21:50 GMT -5
Agreed, like ranaudo when he pitched up, he gets crushed. So how was his curve when you saw him. Everytime I have seen him, the fastball was located well the first two times thorough the lineup, then got ragged in the sixth. Owens was pretty much unhittable until he got to the upper end of his innings limit, so there really isn't anything to this. Then again you weren't there either were you. It was in AA against the Yankees, who had a decent hitting double A lineup with one guy hitting around .400 at the time. Sanchez and others clobbered his fastball. No doubt his numbers looked great last season but advanced hitters will cream his fastball if he gets it up. That's true of course with a lot of pitchers but it sure would be nice to have some swing and miss on his fastball. I think there is some reason to be concerned after the deception wears off a little with advanced hitters. Rodriguez is a better bet to me. When we see reports though, the Sox seem to consider Owens their top pitching prospect.
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Post by jmei on Nov 8, 2014 21:52:08 GMT -5
Eh, it's not like Owens stopped striking guys out in AAA. His strikeout rate actually increased from 25.6% in Portland to 28.2% in Pawtucket. And it's not like he got crushed or anything-- he had a 4.03 ERA in six starts (and a 3.59 FIP), which is a little worse than what he was putting up previously but not all that worse (especially if you look at his peripherals rather than his ERAs). I'm not a huge Owens fan, but my concern has never been lack of stuff (deception doesn't really wear off-- see Bumgarner-- and hitters also have to worry about that elite changeup). Instead, I'm more worried about his fringy command, and the extent to which that improves will ultimately determine his ceiling.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 10, 2015 20:20:22 GMT -5
Just got in my Handbook. Top 31 below.
Not going to post the grades, but I'll post the players in their "tiers." By that, I mean that when the players are ranked, they tend to tier out based on the grades, so that, say, "55 Medium", "60 High", etc. are one tier, ranked ahead of "50 Medium", "55 High", "60 Extreme", in the next tier, and so forth.
1. Blake Swihart - Of note, his defense and arm grade out as his best tools here at 65, ahead of his bat (60), power and speed (both 50).
2. Henry Owens 3. Rusney Castillo 4. Eduardo Rodriguez 5. Brian Johnson
6. Rafael Devers 7. Manuel Margot 8. Matt Barnes 9. Deven Marrero 10. Garin Cecchini 11. Michael Chavis
12. Sam Travis - surprisingly high, for me. 13. Javier Guerra 14. Michael Kopech 15. Trey Ball
16. Anthony Ranaudo 17. Sean Coyle 18. Edwin Escobar 19. Travis Shaw 20. Teddy Stankiewicz 21. Bryce Brentz 22. Steven Wright 23. Mauricio Dubon 24. Wendell Rijo 25. Carlos Asuaje 26. Joe Gunkel
27. Nick Longhi - Surprisingly low, especially if you're going to rank Travis that high. That said, it's the difference between a 50 High and a 50 Extreme, so it could just be that the list is crowded. 28. Justin Haley 29. Henry Ramos 30. Pat Light 31. Yoan Aybar - Not surprising if you read Alex's posts at the end of last season.
Also surprising:
On the RHSP chart, Espinoza is ranked behind Cosart and McAvoy as well as the six five ranked in the top 30 (for reference, Gunkel and Light are - correctly - in the RHRP chart). On the LHSP chart, Javier Gonzalez is ranked ahead of McGrath, behind Owens-ERod-Johnson-Ball. A name to watch out for.
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Post by charliezink16 on Feb 10, 2015 21:40:28 GMT -5
Interesting stuff, thanks. I assume you mean Javier Rodriguez, LHP in GCL last season. I haven't heard much anything on him until now, good to hear.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 10, 2015 21:51:01 GMT -5
Interesting stuff, thanks. I assume you mean Javier Rodriguez, LHP in GCL last season. I haven't heard much anything on him until now, good to hear. I'm guessing that's who they meant, but that typo is in the handbook actually.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Feb 10, 2015 22:35:24 GMT -5
Kiley had him in his list of others so he is getting some buzz.
"LHP Javier Rodriguez (88-91, touches 93 mph with feel for three pitch mix),"
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Post by iakovos11 on Feb 11, 2015 8:21:55 GMT -5
Pretty high on Dubon, too. Ahead of Rijo - that's quite interesting.
Espinoza's low ranking must be because of his age and distance from the majors, right? He has a world of promise, but nobody has really seen him against competition they know.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 11, 2015 14:03:57 GMT -5
My dark horse, Javier Guerra moving on up. On the other hand, I'm disappointed that Luis Diaz didn't make the 30.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 11, 2015 14:15:24 GMT -5
My dark horse, Javier Guerra moving on up. On the other hand, I'm disappointed that Luis Diaz didn't make the 30. He's behind the right-handed starters mentioned above, plus Acosta and Couch, on the depth chart, so he wasn't even close. Then again, being good enough to be put on the depth chart isn't nothing.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 11, 2015 15:01:54 GMT -5
My dark horse, Javier Guerra moving on up. On the other hand, I'm disappointed that Luis Diaz didn't make the 30. He's behind the right-handed starters mentioned above, plus Acosta and Couch, on the depth chart, so he wasn't even close. Then again, being good enough to be put on the depth chart isn't nothing. He was my last year's dark horse. I'll keep him on plan B then. There aren't too many 22 year olds that can keep mid 90s velocity and command past 100 pitches. At Portland, only Rodriguez was faster. Nothing about his historical peripherals says that FB command will likely be any major issue. ADD: The placement of Travis echoes Keith Law's general statement. Personally, I'm not surprised at the placement of Doubon, Rijo and Longhi but I'm pretty sure my feelings on those three are less than SP consensus.
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