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2014-15 Offseason Non-Sox thread
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Post by soxfan06 on Nov 20, 2014 10:30:25 GMT -5
Sad, but seemingly common when it comes to money. If my father said that to me, I'd have socked him right then and there. First you have the gall to steal $2 million from me, when clearly he was more than willing to help out, then you ask for $10 million more in order to be "bought out?" Pathetic humans and supposed parents. Unfortunately, this happens a lot. NHLer Jack Johnson just filed for bankruptcy after he entrusted his $30 plus million career earnings to his parents, who have no financial background and leveraged him to the hilt. bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/content/stories/2014/11/20/blind-sided.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeedYeah. There are truly just some sad people out there in this world. It's a shame. Guy earns himself enough money to settle down for life through hard work and really a life long commitment to put your body through hell and your own parents just flush everything you earn down the toilet. I honestly, can't even imagine what that could feel like. Luckily, in both these situations these guys are still playing and will likely make up all (Howard) and some (Johnson) of their losses back rather than having someone piss it away after they had no earning potential left in their sports. Parents of the year contest going on now.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Nov 20, 2014 14:00:50 GMT -5
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 20, 2014 19:26:44 GMT -5
Does anyone else see Ike Davis as one of those players who signs with the Rays and rediscovers their potential again Like Loney, Kotchman...
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Post by charliezink16 on Nov 20, 2014 19:47:32 GMT -5
Does anyone else see Ike Davis as one of those players who signs with the Rays and rediscovers their potential again Like Loney, Kotchman... Possibly. .254/.357/.456/.813 career slash line vs. RHP makes him an attractive platoon option. If someway, somehow, Napoli is dealt during the offseason (if we pick up a RH 3B like Hanley, and spend big on pitching), he will definitely become an option, as will Adam LaRoche. I see that as unlikely though.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 20, 2014 19:59:09 GMT -5
Does anyone else see Ike Davis as one of those players who signs with the Rays and rediscovers their potential again Like Loney, Kotchman... Possibly. .254/.357/.456/.813 career slash line vs. RHP makes him an attractive platoon option. If someway, somehow, Napoli is dealt during the offseason (if we pick up a RH 3B like Hanley, and spend big on pitching), he will definitely become an option, as will Adam LaRoche. I see that as unlikely though. Imagine if the Yankees needed a DH, or LH hitting 1b. Possibly old Tiger stadium and the short, or overhanging upper bleachers in RF. There are places think Davis could blossom into the player always thought he could become. Baltimore is another, maybe Arlington, just don't see openings at those places right now.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 20, 2014 21:47:08 GMT -5
A couple old friends in the transaction notes today. Frank Montas was added to the 40-man by the White Sox today. Reymond Fuentes was traded by the Pads to the Royals for Kyle Bartsch. Fuentes wasn't that great in '14 but it does seem like the Royals got the better end of this one.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 20, 2014 22:46:43 GMT -5
A couple old friends in the transaction notes today. Frank Montas was added to the 40-man by the White Sox today. Reymond Fuentes was traded by the Pads to the Royals for Kyle Bartsch. Fuentes wasn't that great in '14 but it does seem like the Royals got the better end of this one. Noticing that also James. Amazing a 21YO kid who throws 100mph, yet hasn't progressed above A ball yet is deemed worthy of a 40 man spot with some organizations. Does that mean guys like Garcia and Mercedes would be protected by thin organizations, just because they throw hard?
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Post by jmei on Nov 20, 2014 22:54:23 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 21, 2014 17:22:44 GMT -5
Rays managerial finalists are Kevin Cash, Raul Ibanez and Don Wakamatsu.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 21, 2014 17:35:21 GMT -5
Rays managerial finalists are Kevin Cash, Raul Ibanez and Don Wakamatsu. I'd like to see the days of player managers return. Ibanez would be a good example of someone who can still hit/crush a ball, much like Frank Robinson was still able to with the Indians while managing the Indians during the mid 70's. Give Ibanez a good bench coach, which didn't exist during Robbie's time and Ibanez would have an advantage there also.
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Post by jmei on Nov 21, 2014 21:32:31 GMT -5
Adam LaRoche signs with the White Sox for 2/$25m, which is just an absolute steal of a deal. If he was going to come that cheap, I would definitely have considered signing him and moving Napoli (assuming other teams value Napoli as much as I do, which, to be fair, might not be the case).
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Post by moonstone2 on Nov 22, 2014 8:55:55 GMT -5
Rays managerial finalists are Kevin Cash, Raul Ibanez and Don Wakamatsu. Completely unfair to Dave Martinez.
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Post by moonstone2 on Nov 22, 2014 9:00:00 GMT -5
Was very strong in the AFL as well. Much more advanced with better secondary than Gaecia or Mercedes.
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Post by moonstone2 on Nov 22, 2014 9:24:31 GMT -5
Adam LaRoche signs with the White Sox for 2/$25m, which is just an absolute steal of a deal. If he was going to come that cheap, I would definitely have considered signing him and moving Napoli (assuming other teams value Napoli as much as I do, which, to be fair, might not be the case). I think you maybe right about that. NL teams might be warry of him which would greatly limit his value. The only AL team I see that would defimitely be after Napoli would be the Mariners and maybe the Rangers, though they seem intent on keeping Mitch Moreland around. If you sign a player like LaRoche you have no choice but to trade Napoli. If the market doesn't develop in the way you expect, you would be forced to trade Napoli for fifty cents on the dollar. These types of ideas look good on paper but in reality are a lot more complicated. You really can't sign a player to a position filled by a solid well paid veteran, unless you already have a deal in place to trade that veteran. Otherwise, the rest of the league might stick you with that veteran.
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Post by jmei on Nov 22, 2014 9:53:18 GMT -5
I agree that the logistics of it make such a switch difficult-- you basically want the two moves to be essentially simultaneous (because if you do them one at a time, you run the risk of the other not going through), which is hard to do.
My thought was mostly that Seattle (which is desperate for right-handed power) would value Napoli more than Cespedes, and might be willing to entertain a Napoli-for-Iwakuma trade (whereas they wouldn't be interested with Cespedes swapped in). Napoli's a good defender, so I'm not sure NL teams would be all that wary.
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Post by soxcentral on Nov 22, 2014 10:03:19 GMT -5
I agree completely on the Napoli for Iwakuma fit, but wouldn't want to go outside the organization to make it work. If Cespedes stays 1B is a perfect place to get both Nava and Craig AB's, with most going to Nava early on and really all year if Craig doesn't turn it around. It's also where you can get WMB or Shaw some time if they are needed.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 22, 2014 11:50:43 GMT -5
Rays managerial finalists are Kevin Cash, Raul Ibanez and Don Wakamatsu. Completely unfair to Dave Martinez. Don't know if it's unfair, but it does speak volumes about what they think of him. Between this and the fact that, for example, he hasn't even gotten interviews in some situations that his name has come up for, I"m wondering if the idea that he's this great managerial candidate is one that's held in the media but not inside the game.
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Post by moonstone2 on Nov 22, 2014 15:10:08 GMT -5
I agree that the logistics of it make such a switch difficult-- you basically want the two moves to be essentially simultaneous (because if you do them one at a time, you run the risk of the other not going through), which is hard to do. My thought was mostly that Seattle (which is desperate for right-handed power) would value Napoli more than Cespedes, and might be willing to entertain a Napoli-for-Iwakuma trade (whereas they wouldn't be interested with Cespedes swapped in). Napoli's a good defender, so I'm not sure NL teams would be all that wary. It's more of the injury risk as opposed to his defensive abilty. If his hip becomes a problem an NL team can't just have him DH. Besides, there aren't a lot of NL teams that will take a 1b on a large one year deal. Maybe the Mets?
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Post by soxfan06 on Nov 22, 2014 15:13:45 GMT -5
I agree that the logistics of it make such a switch difficult-- you basically want the two moves to be essentially simultaneous (because if you do them one at a time, you run the risk of the other not going through), which is hard to do. My thought was mostly that Seattle (which is desperate for right-handed power) would value Napoli more than Cespedes, and might be willing to entertain a Napoli-for-Iwakuma trade (whereas they wouldn't be interested with Cespedes swapped in). Napoli's a good defender, so I'm not sure NL teams would be all that wary. If Seattle was willing to do Napoli for Iwakuma, I'd do it even with Laroche off the market.
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Post by moonstone2 on Nov 22, 2014 16:09:47 GMT -5
I agree that the logistics of it make such a switch difficult-- you basically want the two moves to be essentially simultaneous (because if you do them one at a time, you run the risk of the other not going through), which is hard to do. My thought was mostly that Seattle (which is desperate for right-handed power) would value Napoli more than Cespedes, and might be willing to entertain a Napoli-for-Iwakuma trade (whereas they wouldn't be interested with Cespedes swapped in). Napoli's a good defender, so I'm not sure NL teams would be all that wary. If Seattle was willing to do Napoli for Iwakuma, I'd do it even with Laroche off the market. I don't think I would do that if I were Seattle.
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Post by mredsox89 on Nov 22, 2014 16:31:40 GMT -5
If Seattle was willing to do Napoli for Iwakuma, I'd do it even with Laroche off the market. I don't think I would do that if I were Seattle. Only reason I would think they would even think about it was if they didn't plan on re-signing him, since he will be due for a fairly substantial pay raise in 2016, especially if he comes anywhere close to his 2013 numbers, and I'm not sure how much the Mariners are really willing to spend with $50M locked up in just Felix/Cano for the next 5 years. Those two are their only real long term deals, so they have money to spend even if they top out at $90M, but he's likely getting a $15M/year deal, and that leaves very little money to fill out the rest of what would need to be a lot of significant pieces
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Post by kingofthetrill on Nov 23, 2014 18:06:02 GMT -5
Oakland keeps putting in work. They get Ike Davis and international bonus slot #86 from the Pirates for international bonus slot #27. www.csnbayarea.com/athletics/acquire-1b-davis-pirates?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahooIt's certainly not an earth shattering trade. I'm just thankful we don't have to see Ike Davis recover his swing with the short porch in Coors East or with a team like the Rays.
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 24, 2014 12:06:16 GMT -5
@jeffpassan: Breaking: Kyle Seager, Mariners on the verge of a seven-year, $100M extension. News at Yahoo Sports: t.co/3BSDjeC4kq
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Post by taftreign on Nov 24, 2014 12:27:34 GMT -5
@jeffpassan: Breaking: Kyle Seager, Mariners on the verge of a seven-year, $100M extension. News at Yahoo Sports: t.co/3BSDjeC4kqThis is a great deal for Seattle. Bought out 3 ARB years and 4 FA years. Contains some form of 8th year option that could be valued around 20 mil. I think Seager is an under-appreciated star to most MLB fans. He is a building block type of player and at what will amount to an AAV under 20 mil per in the last 4 seasons this is a no brainer. Add: Seagers first three season per fangraphs: www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=9785&position=3B2012: 3.6 WAR 108 WRC+ 2013: 3.7 WAR 115 WRC+ 2014: 5.5 WAR 126 WRC+ 2015: 4.2 WAR 120 WRC+ (Steamer) Plus a LH bat with 20+ HR power.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 24, 2014 12:43:40 GMT -5
Holy crap, Napoli has lost some weight. I didn't even recognize him.
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