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Post by dmaineah on Nov 6, 2014 12:57:14 GMT -5
Allen Craig for Mike Leake
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Post by mattpicard on Nov 6, 2014 13:46:43 GMT -5
In your dreams. Leake isn't that great, but until Craig proves that he's at least half the player he was in 2011-13, he has no significant trade value. We're best off holding onto him for now.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 7, 2014 9:39:08 GMT -5
Regardless of Craig's value, what does Leake do for Boston? He's not that good, he's not terrible, but he's a reliable back end starter. Valuable for a lot of teams, but I'd argue the Red Sox need two top of the rotation guys and adding a backend starter is counter productive to the organization longterm and might not add anything in the short run that you don't already have. Right now Buchholtz and Kelly are 2/5 of the rotation. Ideally they are numbers 3 & 4 in some order. That last spot, plus depth for the Bucholtz injury and any other should be filled by whoever is still here from the young guys.
I'm not saying Leake might not technically be better than De La Rosa or whomever else, but this team has and needs to stay committed to finding out. If it doesn't work and the rest of the team is then you can fix it via trade during the year, I wouldn't block any of those guys with someone like Leake.
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Post by moonstone2 on Nov 7, 2014 12:07:28 GMT -5
Regardless of Craig's value, what does Leake do for Boston? He's not that good, he's not terrible, but he's a reliable back end starter. Valuable for a lot of teams, but I'd argue the Red Sox need two top of the rotation guys and adding a backend starter is counter productive to the organization longterm and might not add anything in the short run that you don't already have. Right now Buchholtz and Kelly are 2/5 of the rotation. Ideally they are numbers 3 & 4 in some order. That last spot, plus depth for the Bucholtz injury and any other should be filled by whoever is still here from the young guys. I'm not saying Leake might not technically be better than De La Rosa or whomever else, but this team has and needs to stay committed to finding out. If it doesn't work and the rest of the team is then you can fix it via trade during the year, I wouldn't block any of those guys with someone like Leake. Very durable starter who will give you 30+ starts and has gotten better every year. Plus any GB pitcher is going to be helped by playing in front of the best pivot 2B in the game. He's not going to cost you significant prospects if you give them Cespedes and he's going to go for a reasonable $8M or so in 2015. You don't have to sign him to a long-term deal that may come back to bite you. I would much prefer him in the rotation in 2015 over DeLaRosa, or Webster and I'd probably prefer trading for him over signing Liriano. If they didn't want Cespedes, I don't know how they could say no to a package of Nava, Brentz, and Marrero. They could use the savings on their bullpen.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 7, 2014 14:01:36 GMT -5
No doubt he most likely helps your rotation in 2015 versus one of the young in house options. It's a philosophical difference about how they should try to build their team.
Also, Marrero is an interesting trade chip. He's on the cusp of being either not much of anything or a high level chip. I wouldn't move him for Leake because I think he's more likely to either add value or be needed in Boston. If trade him but it'd be part of a package for a better player.
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Post by dmaineah on May 20, 2015 10:42:04 GMT -5
I still like Mike Leake as a trade & sign candidate for the Red Sox rotation. What are the Reds needs going forward? From Nick Cafardo; www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/05/16/bobby-valentine-has-some-regrets-about-year-with-red-sox/gMbCCaY3OHEDleCV7EhtGL/story.html#Mike Leake, RHP, Reds — There has been a lot of interest in the Reds by scouts, and that will only intensify. Johnny Cueto remains the prize for most contending teams as a rental because he’s making a reasonable $10 million. His acquisition cost will be high, and then his signability is the major issue. But Leake “may get more looks than anyone,” according to one scout because “he’s having an outstanding year and translates well to the American League.” He also makes a tad under $10 million and his signability long term is much better than Cueto.
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Post by jdb on May 20, 2015 14:56:13 GMT -5
i think Kazmir would be a much better rental.
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Post by jimed14 on May 20, 2015 15:08:47 GMT -5
Leake has a .226 BABIP and 80.2% LOB%. I don't think he'd be much of an upgrade over anyone.
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Post by James Dunne on May 21, 2015 8:07:52 GMT -5
Eh, I don't think it's fair to just look at his stats from his last eight starts. He's been a pretty reliable innings eater for most of his career, and while the drop in his K rate makes me a tiny bit worried, it's 50 innings. I wouldn't empty the farm for him or anything, but if there's a long-term injury and depth is suddenly a problem then he's an alternative I'd be fine with.
Incidentally, he's the sort of reliable but not great player whose value is probably hurt the most by the QO system. He's probably worth a 1/$14M deal, but I don't think most teams would consider giving up a draft pick to sign him.
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Post by James Dunne on May 22, 2015 8:46:42 GMT -5
One thing with Leake that I didn't previous mention is that he can really hit. He has a .101 career Iso which is pretty amazing for a pitcher, making him more valuable to an NL team than an AL one.
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