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Post by jrffam05 on Nov 27, 2014 22:22:13 GMT -5
Can't edit from my phone for some reason,
Edit: marlins had interest in middlebrooks in the past.
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Post by bigpapismangosalsa on Nov 28, 2014 8:56:37 GMT -5
The idea of packaging Napoli (or Craig) along with Middlebrooks (whom you are correct,the Marlins have often been interested in) is exactly the type of trade that I think could make sense for both teams. Cosart, unfortunately, strikes me as very similar to the kind of player we already have in the system / in the "rotation" as a guy that would be a back end of the rotation starter in the AL East, similar to what I'd think that Kelly, De La Rosa, Webster, etc can reasonably project to. Last season in Houston, starting 20 games he had a 4.41ERA, a 4.02FIP and (most disturbingly in my mind for translation purposes) had a 5.6k/9 with a 3.9bb/9 split.
Yes, 20GS is a small sample size, and Cosart is still very young, though since reaching the more advanced stages of the minors, he has had some control problems, never posting a k/bb ratio of 1.90 or better once he made to high A ball. That said, I did propose a similar trade of Napoli and others for Heaney (who admittedly isn't as good as Cosart right now) but unlike Cosart, or anyone else currently in our system projects to be a bottom tier number 1 / top tier number 2 MLB starter.
It's a long winded way of saying I'm totally on-board with the type of idea you're proposing and though I'm not a huge fan of Cosart for the Sox, I think the type of idea is EXACTLY what this team should be looking at with Cespedes, Napoli, and the 40 man roster crunch candidates to increase their return.
Also, I think what you propose is pretty fair for both teams, though I'd be leery of selling quite so low on Craig. I do think that (at worst) properly platooned he and Nava could be a force for Boston.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 28, 2014 9:05:17 GMT -5
Why do you leave out Cosart's stats in Florida? Not that they were significantly improved. Just curious.
I don't think he has fallen that much, given that they just traded Moran for him.
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Post by nomar on Nov 28, 2014 13:07:01 GMT -5
Cosart and De La Rosa could have competitions to see who can throw harder without striking anyone out.
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Post by bigpapismangosalsa on Nov 28, 2014 15:23:53 GMT -5
Fair question, JimEd. However, in my opinion for projection when you have a pitcher in the same season demonstrating the difference in going from a relatively neutral park in the AL (Houston) to a slight hitter's park in the NL (Miami), I'd say it's a lot more relevant to compare the AL numbers in a hypothetical switch back to the more difficult league. On top of that, one would assume his numbers to be worse coming to Fenway from even the AL West.
So based on the fact that we have some AL numbers to compare with Cosart, I don't think his numbers in Miami are relevant at all. Someone can certainly feel free to prove me wrong, it'd be an interesting read, but we saw him literally be about 2 runs of ERA better in the NL during the same season.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 28, 2014 17:57:15 GMT -5
The Marlins did have interest in Middlebrooks... before he went out and sucked again this season. I don't think it's safe to assume that hey have the same interest they once did.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 28, 2014 18:20:28 GMT -5
I would love to see what it takes to get Marlins Comp A pick. Remember last year the Pirates traded reliever Bryan Morris to the Marlins for their comp pick (#39 overall -- Pirates picked Connor Joe). Marlins have been historically stingy with signing their draft picks, too.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Nov 28, 2014 18:36:09 GMT -5
I would love to see what it takes to get Marlins Comp A pick. Remember last year the Pirates traded reliever Bryan Morris to the Marlins for their comp pick (#39 overall -- Pirates picked Connor Joe). Marlins have been historically stingy with signing their draft picks, too. They already traded it to Houston in the Cosart deal. Also, if we did trade for a comp pick we would lose it for signing Hanley and Sandoval.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 28, 2014 18:46:51 GMT -5
I would love to see what it takes to get Marlins Comp A pick. Remember last year the Pirates traded reliever Bryan Morris to the Marlins for their comp pick (#39 overall -- Pirates picked Connor Joe). Marlins have been historically stingy with signing their draft picks, too. They already traded it to Houston in the Cosart deal. Also, if we did trade for a comp pick we would lose it for signing Hanley and Sandoval. Shows how much I know hah.
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Post by justen on Dec 11, 2014 14:15:39 GMT -5
Marlins are still on the hunt for a 1B:
We still have Craig to deal. The Marlins don't have much to offer, but unless we have a deal for Victorino this would be a good chance to clear another space for the OF.
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Post by mgoetze on Dec 11, 2014 15:47:49 GMT -5
And apparently Heany was more available than the participants in this thread thought. Oh well...
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 11, 2014 15:49:16 GMT -5
And apparently Heany was more available than the participants in this thread thought. Oh well... They did get better value back than Allen Craig tho
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Post by mgoetze on Dec 11, 2014 16:22:40 GMT -5
And apparently Heany was more available than the participants in this thread thought. Oh well... They did get better value back than Allen Craig tho The Marlins presumably think they did, but Steamer disagrees.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 11, 2014 16:28:49 GMT -5
Shocking revelation - Dee Gordon walked 4 times (1.6%) in the 2nd half of 2014.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 11, 2014 16:43:05 GMT -5
Let's say that the Sox had a need at 1st and 2nd going into this offseason that they couldn't fill internally, and Andrew Heaney is in the system and that's the guy they are going to trade. Who would you want BC to get, Gordon or Craig?
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 11, 2014 16:44:57 GMT -5
Let's say that the Sox had a need at 1st and 2nd going into this offseason that they couldn't fill internally, and Andrew Heaney is in the system and that's the guy they are going to trade. Who would you want BC to get, Gordon or Craig? I'd choose death by firing squad.
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Post by justen on Dec 11, 2014 16:45:17 GMT -5
How about Craig and a lower level prospect for one of Morris/Dunn plus back-up-catcher Mathis?
Mathis plays pretty good defense and is younger than Ross, one of the relievers could help with bullpen depth nicely. Both Dunn and Morris have a couple years of control as well.
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