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Post by dmaineah on Dec 4, 2014 14:47:50 GMT -5
If the Dodgers decide to trade Greinke to make room for Lester should the Red Sox make an offer? He is slated to make $23 million next season in the third year of his six-year contract but may opt out in search of a larger deal next winter, when he is 32 years old. 2015 31yrs $25,000,000 May opt out of contract after 2015 season 2016 32yrs $26,000,000 2017 33yrs $25,000,000 2018 34yrs $26,000,000 What would it take to get him? Will he Opt Out? Should he Opt Out? If he Opts Out at age 32 would he get a better deal then 3yrs for $77m? Would the Red Sox hope he Opts Out? Is his Mind to fragile for Boston? www.mlbdailydish.com/2014/12/3/7331013/sources-dodgers-may-shop-zack-greinke-to-make-room-for-free-agent-scherzer-lester
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Post by mobaz on Dec 4, 2014 14:57:18 GMT -5
I'd guess if the Dodgers sign Lester it's with the thought that he's a Greinke replacement one year early. You get the benefit of an extra stud pitcher for a year and should Greinke opt out you are covered.
Can't imagine they can trade Greinke because that option prevents you from getting proper value. The dodgers would likely want 4 years $100M of value but could be offered no more than stud on expiring contract value. I guess an all-in team like the Mariners could trade for him and hope big park + laid back Pacific NW would entice him to stay.
I'd personally worry about his comfort level in Boston.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 4, 2014 15:02:35 GMT -5
Cole Hamels Contract Comparison; 2015 31yrs $23,500,000 2016 32yrs $23,500,000 2017 33yrs $23,500,000 2018 34yrs $23,500,000 2019 35yrs *$20,000,000 - $20M Team Option, $24M Vesting Option, $6M Buyout Vests if he 1) has 400 IP in 2017-18, including 200 IP in 2018, and 2) is not on the disabled list with a shoulder or elbow injury at the end of the 2018 season
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 4, 2014 15:17:16 GMT -5
It's a given that Greinke opts out unless he gets hurt. I cannot see any reason why the Dodgers would trade him unless they're trying to do a mini-rebuild which I can't see happening.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 4, 2014 16:49:14 GMT -5
I wouldn't call it a given he opts out. He would need to have a great year. He would be turning down 77 million over three years and he'd be 32 years old. Also not sure the big market teams like Boston and New York would be involved due to past issues. Would a team really give him a 6 year deal? I wouldn't. What's he get over 5 years? I just don't see him coming close to the 25 million plus he's making now. Now this could all change depending on how much Lester, Scherzer and Shields get.
I want no part of Grienke, good pitcher, just not built for the Boston media.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 5, 2014 8:12:12 GMT -5
You said it yourself he's going to be 32. Maybe he doesn't get 25.5m a year but if he gets a 5/110 that's less AAV but more than he'd likely get if he stayed in his deal then hit free agency at 35. If healthy and productive he'll opt out just for the extra years even with a lower AAV.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 5, 2014 9:30:44 GMT -5
OK, so lets say he opts outs. What's a fair trade for him on a one year deal making $25m? And would the Sox get a draft pick when he signs someplace else? Do they have to make a QO to him?
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 5, 2014 9:39:12 GMT -5
I wouldn't call it a given he opts out. He would need to have a great year. He would be turning down 77 million over three years and he'd be 32 years old. Also not sure the big market teams like Boston and New York would be involved due to past issues. Would a team really give him a 6 year deal? I wouldn't. What's he get over 5 years? I just don't see him coming close to the 25 million plus he's making now. Now this could all change depending on how much Lester, Scherzer and Shields get. I want no part of Grienke, good pitcher, just not built for the Boston media. If Grienke repeats his 2014 and stays healthy and everything I'd give him 4/$100M in a heartbeat, and I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him get another deal around $150M You don't get pitchers like that at 32 for 3/$77M. Also, an important note. Everyone realizes that saying they don't think Grienke could pitch in Boston is an indictment of Boston and not Grienke, right?
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 5, 2014 9:40:33 GMT -5
OK, so lets say he opts outs. What's a fair trade for him on a one year deal making $25m? And would the Sox get a draft pick when he signs someplace else? Do they have to make a QO to him? There is no fair trade because the Dodgers are trying to win a World Series now and Grienke was hired help them do that. The Red Sox would have to provide a player who is as likely to help them win a World Series, and they don't have that. That's part of the problem, in fact.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 5, 2014 11:01:40 GMT -5
There is no fair trade because the Dodgers are trying to win a World Series now and Grienke was hired help them do that. The Red Sox would have to provide a player who is as likely to help them win a World Series, and they don't have that. That's part of the problem, in fact. I think the Dodgers are looking for Bullpen help & possibly at Catcher. Tazawa & PTBNL PTBNL would depend on if Greinke opts out or not. If he does could someone like Jordan Procyshen or Jon Denney work? If he doesn't opt out I would think the PTBNL would have to be significantly better .
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 5, 2014 11:17:53 GMT -5
There is no fair trade because the Dodgers are trying to win a World Series now and Grienke was hired help them do that. The Red Sox would have to provide a player who is as likely to help them win a World Series, and they don't have that. That's part of the problem, in fact. I think the Dodgers are looking for Bullpen help & possibly at Catcher. Tazawa & PTBNL PTBNL would depend on if Greinke opts out or not. If he does could someone like Jordan Procyshen or Jon Denney work? If he doesn't opt out I would think the PTBNL would have to be significantly better . Are you suggesting that a middle reliever and a kid thats going to spend more time in rehab than in the majors is going to get you are fringe #1 starter?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 5, 2014 11:25:38 GMT -5
There is no fair trade because the Dodgers are trying to win a World Series now and Grienke was hired help them do that. The Red Sox would have to provide a player who is as likely to help them win a World Series, and they don't have that. That's part of the problem, in fact. I think the Dodgers are looking for Bullpen help & possibly at Catcher. Tazawa & PTBNL PTBNL would depend on if Greinke opts out or not. If he does could someone like Jordan Procyshen or Jon Denney work? If he doesn't opt out I would think the PTBNL would have to be significantly better . This post belongs in the bad trade proposal hall of fame.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 5, 2014 11:27:34 GMT -5
Wow.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 5, 2014 11:32:56 GMT -5
I'm suggesting that if the Dodgers were to entertain trading Greinke that his contract situation does not warrant more then a current Major League piece that fills a need for them and P(S)TBNL depending on what Greinke does after 2015.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 5, 2014 11:35:27 GMT -5
This post belongs in the bad trade proposal hall of fame. Thank you
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 5, 2014 11:36:17 GMT -5
I'm suggesting that if the Dodgers were to entertain trading Greinke that his contract situation does not warrant more then a current Major League piece that fills a need for them and PTBNL(S) depending on what Greinke does after 2015. A team would be trading for his arm, not his contract. Tho we should probably offer Tazawa for Bumgarner first, don't you think?
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 5, 2014 12:16:52 GMT -5
I'm suggesting that if the Dodgers were to entertain trading Greinke that his contract situation does not warrant more then a current Major League piece that fills a need for them and P(S)TBNL depending on what Greinke does after 2015. If the Dodgers trade Greinke, they're only doing it for a huge return with the obvious assumption by both teams that he is opting out. Unless the PTBNL is Swihart and named immediately instead of later, the Dodgers and all their fans are laughing.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 5, 2014 13:52:16 GMT -5
This whole thread is nuts. Zack Greinke is not being traded in 2015. If Jon Lester does indeed sign with the Dodgers the Dodgers are going to have a rotation of Kershaw, Greinke, Lester, Ryu, and Haren.
They're not trying to sign Lester so they can get rid of Greinke, especially for Tazawa. Good Lord... if you were the GM of the Dodgers would you be telling your fan base that you dealt Greinke for a middle reliever? Really?
Newsflash...The Dodgers are trying to win, too. They haven't won a World Series since 1988. And a rotation fronted by Kershaw, Greinke, and Lester is a great place to start.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 5, 2014 17:14:05 GMT -5
It's too bad they have to start Kershaw game 1 of a series.
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