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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 31, 2014 8:47:11 GMT -5
The prospect haul doesn't get any cheaper under this scenario. You are still trading prospects for Zimmermann. This only helps matching up, not lowering the cost.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 31, 2014 9:13:22 GMT -5
Isn't the point being that it's more likely to happen because the Red Sox don't have to give up Betts in that scenario? Betts is literally the only possible way for the Nationals to upgrade the team by giving up Zimmermann if there isn't a 3rd team involved.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 31, 2014 11:27:35 GMT -5
I still think that Gio Gonzalez should be the target not Zimmermann
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 31, 2014 12:28:40 GMT -5
I still think that Gio Gonzalez should be the target not Zimmermann For the same reasons you feel that way he's not available
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 31, 2014 14:13:25 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 31, 2014 14:32:25 GMT -5
Did you read that? That's one of the most absurd articles I've ever read. The author is simply making up a rumor because the Nationals said they'd listen on a deal for anyone on the roster.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 31, 2014 14:46:22 GMT -5
Did you read that? That's one of the most absurd articles I've ever read. The author is simply making up a rumor because the Nationals said they'd listen on a deal for anyone on the roster. So Gio Gonzalez could be available?
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 31, 2014 14:59:15 GMT -5
Did you read that? That's one of the most absurd articles I've ever read. The author is simply making up a rumor because the Nationals said they'd listen on a deal for anyone on the roster. So Gio Gonzalez could be available? Yeah, and Harper and Strasburg.
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Post by xanderbogaerts2 on Dec 31, 2014 15:12:47 GMT -5
the point of my thought would not to give up Betts Bogaerts or Swihart.
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Post by redsoxnh2014 on Dec 31, 2014 19:23:14 GMT -5
No offense but that article seems pretty out there (not to mention old, it cites Lester as the Sox main target).
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Post by ethanbein on Jan 18, 2015 18:00:01 GMT -5
So now that the Scherzer to the Nationals rumors are picking up, you have to think the Red Sox are in on Zimmerman (and others). What about a package or Owens or Rodriguez and Marrero for Zimmermann? Nats would get a cheap mid-rotation starter to slot in once Fister is gone plus a potential Desmond replacement, and the Red Sox would get their ace without losing Betts. I know some think there's no way we get Zimmermann without Betts, but I doubt they can do much better for a 1-year rental.
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Post by jmei on Jan 18, 2015 18:35:15 GMT -5
The fact that Zimmermann is a one-year rental and does not seem especially amenable to an extension makes it unlikely that the Nats can demand an extravagant package (read: Betts). I do think an Owens and Marrero package would be something they'd be interested in and something that I might be willing to do.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 18, 2015 22:11:47 GMT -5
If Sox are willing to pay market Value for Zimmerman I would make the trade. As I don't think they will, I have to say no I wouldn't make that trade.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jan 19, 2015 8:45:03 GMT -5
Personally I wouldn't trade Owens and Marrero for one year of Zimmerman who will either bolt in free agency or cost big dollars to resign.
I do wonder what the asking price for Strasburg would be. Closest comparable trade has to be the Price trade. He's another guy I wouldn't expect to be able to extend without a lot of cash, but I think he would be worth the price with two years left on his contract. Wondering if their pick of one of Vazquez/Swihart, one of our pitching prospects, Marrero, and Bradley is in the right ballpark? I actually think Bradley is a good fit for them as a 4th outfielder.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 19, 2015 10:19:15 GMT -5
I'd offer Barnes or Johnson and Marrero or Holt for Zimmermann and then say goodbye when they counter.
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Post by WindyCityRedSox169 on Jan 19, 2015 14:00:42 GMT -5
So if Strasburg is indeed available, which one goes Mookie or Xander? I can't imagine both going.
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Post by seadogs34 on Jan 19, 2015 14:15:47 GMT -5
So if Strasburg is indeed available, which one goes Mookie or Xander? I can't imagine both going. Not that I think it is going to happen or that it is one or the other but with the excess of OF along with X's potential youd have to think Betts if given the choice.
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Post by southpaw12014 on Jan 19, 2015 14:17:07 GMT -5
So if Strasburg is indeed available, which one goes Mookie or Xander? I can't imagine both going. Not that I think it is going to happen or that it is one or the other but with the excess of OF youd have to think Betts. I would think it would be Xander, Owens, Margot etc....I would think the Nationals would want a SS of the future with Desmond about to hit the market...
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Post by seadogs34 on Jan 19, 2015 14:19:17 GMT -5
Not that I think it is going to happen or that it is one or the other but with the excess of OF youd have to think Betts. I would think it would be Xander, Owens, Margot etc....I would think the Nationals would want a SS of the future with Desmond about to hit the market... Why not add Marrero to a Betts package if thats the case.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 19, 2015 14:38:55 GMT -5
Good lord, for two years of Strasburg? Why don't we just send our souls to the devil also? Strasburg is great, but he's not Kershaw or Sale or Fernandez.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jan 19, 2015 14:41:08 GMT -5
This is a better place for this discussion. If I would venture a guess if the Red Sox trade for Strasburg then Markus Lynn Betts is the one that goes.
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Post by southpaw12014 on Jan 19, 2015 14:44:07 GMT -5
Good lord, for two years of Strasburg? Why don't we just send our souls to the devil also? Strasburg is great, but he's not Kershaw or Sale or Fernandez. I like him too but not sure I am sending Xander or Betts in that deal for two years of him?? There is no way Boras doesn't get him to free agency, he will be 27 and ready to cash in big time.... What's the deal with him and the Nationals anyways?? the guy tweeted out that both sides think it's time to move on?? John Perrotto ?@jperrotto Hearing #Nats RHP Stephen Strasburg is very much available and both sides believe it is time to move on. #MLB
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jan 19, 2015 15:09:52 GMT -5
Why would the Nats move Strasburg unless they are getting something significant back? Ei Betts. Yes that's a lot to give up for the Red Sox but I'm thinking from the Nats perspective here. I'm not even advocating the Red Sox do it but if I was the Nationals that's what I'd be asking.
They might just trade him for an empty carton of milk. What do I know.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 19, 2015 15:16:50 GMT -5
Why would the Nats move Strasburg unless they are getting something significant back? Ei Betts. Yes that's a lot to give up for the Red Sox but I'm thinking from the Nats perspective here. I'm not even advocating the Red Sox do it but if I was the Nationals that's what I'd be asking. They might just trade him for an empty carton of milk. What do I know. Why would the Red Sox trade Betts without getting someone with more than 2 years of control?
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Post by jrffam05 on Jan 19, 2015 16:31:09 GMT -5
I don't think there is a player who is available via trade that I would trade Bogaerts or Betts for.
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