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steveofbradenton
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Post by steveofbradenton on Dec 14, 2014 13:03:26 GMT -5
We are getting a little closer to filling out our 25 man active roster, and I really am not sure about Tommy Layne or especially Drake Britain to be a lefty in our bullpen. Part of me would like to see us wait until say March 28th before we consider moving Allen Craig, but we still have some redundancy on our 40 man. I'm glad we moved Cesepedes finally. What do you think of a straight up trade for Mike Dunn of the Marlins? Here is his last 2 years in Miami:
2013 MIA NL MLB 3 4 2.66 75 0 0 0 2 5 67.2 53 21 20 5 0 28 4 72 .212 1.20 0.70 2014 MIA NL MLB 10 6 3.16 75 0 0 0 1 4 57.0 47 25 20 4 4 22 1 67 .220 1.21 0.67 I'm highlighting innings pitched and hits.....and also K's, batting ave against, and his Whip.
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Post by juniorp90 on Dec 14, 2014 16:49:52 GMT -5
We are getting a little closer to filling out our 25 man active roster, and I really am not sure about Tommy Layne or especially Drake Britain to be a lefty in our bullpen. Part of me would like to see us wait until say March 28th before we consider moving Allen Craig, but we still have some redundancy on our 40 man. I'm glad we moved Cesepedes finally. What do you think of a straight up trade for Mike Dunn of the Marlins? Here is his last 2 years in Miami: 2013 MIA NL MLB 3 4 2.66 75 0 0 0 2 5 67.2 53 21 20 5 0 28 4 72 .212 1.20 0.70 2014 MIA NL MLB 10 6 3.16 75 0 0 0 1 4 57.0 47 25 20 4 4 22 1 67 .220 1.21 0.67 I'm highlighting innings pitched and hits.....and also K's, batting ave against, and his Whip. Ok, we need a LF arm in the bullpen. Although I am one who thinks Eduardo Rodriguez and Escobar can earn a place in training!!
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Post by larrycook on Dec 14, 2014 21:25:33 GMT -5
We are getting a little closer to filling out our 25 man active roster, and I really am not sure about Tommy Layne or especially Drake Britain to be a lefty in our bullpen. Part of me would like to see us wait until say March 28th before we consider moving Allen Craig, but we still have some redundancy on our 40 man. I'm glad we moved Cesepedes finally. What do you think of a straight up trade for Mike Dunn of the Marlins? Here is his last 2 years in Miami: 2013 MIA NL MLB 3 4 2.66 75 0 0 0 2 5 67.2 53 21 20 5 0 28 4 72 .212 1.20 0.70 2014 MIA NL MLB 10 6 3.16 75 0 0 0 1 4 57.0 47 25 20 4 4 22 1 67 .220 1.21 0.67 I'm highlighting innings pitched and hits.....and also K's, batting ave against, and his Whip. Ok, we need a LF arm in the bullpen. Although I am one who thinks Eduardo Rodriguez and Escobar can earn a place in training!! You would not want those two guys to be starters in Pawtucket next season? Both are really young and with a little more seasoning could be good effective major league starters in my opinion. I have only seen them once each, but I liked them. I wish I had seen Rodriguez pitch in the Orioles organization prior to the trade in order to figure out how he had a losing record for them and what if anything he changed after he was traded to us. I like him as a future #2 for us if he is what is was after the trade.
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Post by juniorp90 on Dec 15, 2014 10:30:26 GMT -5
Ok, we need a LF arm in the bullpen. Although I am one who thinks Eduardo Rodriguez and Escobar can earn a place in training!! You would not want those two guys to be starters in Pawtucket next season? Both are really young and with a little more seasoning could be good effective major league starters in my opinion. I have only seen them once each, but I liked them. I wish I had seen Rodriguez pitch in the Orioles organization prior to the trade in order to figure out how he had a losing record for them and what if anything he changed after he was traded to us. I like him as a future #2 for us if he is what is was after the trade. Sure, just consider if we have hired lefty relievers (Only Britton and Layne). But we must consider that there are several over them for a place in the rotation in the near future (Owens, Ranaudo, Barnes) and would not be surprised to see them start their career in the relay, and began Johan Santana and Francisco Liriano.
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Post by jrffam05 on Dec 15, 2014 11:27:18 GMT -5
I think this would be a big undersell on Craig. I don't know how the Red Sox or other teams view Craig, but if they attribute 2014 struggles to injuries he should be more valuable than Cespedes. He is owed 25M over the next three years, 5M less than Billy Butler just signed, and it wasn't that long ago he was thought of as a very valuable piece. I wouldn't move 3 years of everyday position player control for 2 years of an slightly above average bullpen arm. Really if you look at it, all the hitters from the FA market are gone, and from the trade route it is just Upton, but Craig is more marketable because he comes with team control, where Upton is probably going to get at a minimum 150M next year. We have 4 months before we have to trade anyone, and there are a lot of teams looking for hitters and not a lot of places to look. That's why Cespedes went for Porcello essentially straight up, when most posters here thought Porcello was worth more.
Call me crazy, but I don't think it is out of the question that Craig could bring back someone from the Zimmerman, Cueto, Iwakuma tier of pitchers (directly or third team), because of his 3 years + option of team control. If we are looking for bullpen help I would be targeting someone from the Royals pen. Right now I would be content to wait out the market unless one of the above possibilities presented itself.
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steveofbradenton
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Post by steveofbradenton on Dec 15, 2014 15:22:42 GMT -5
I think this would be a big undersell on Craig. I don't know how the Red Sox or other teams view Craig, but if they attribute 2014 struggles to injuries he should be more valuable than Cespedes. He is owed 25M over the next three years, 5M less than Billy Butler just signed, and it wasn't that long ago he was thought of as a very valuable piece. I wouldn't move 3 years of everyday position player control for 2 years of an slightly above average bullpen arm. Really if you look at it, all the hitters from the FA market are gone, and from the trade route it is just Upton, but Craig is more marketable because he comes with team control, where Upton is probably going to get at a minimum 150M next year. We have 4 months before we have to trade anyone, and there are a lot of teams looking for hitters and not a lot of places to look. That's why Cespedes went for Porcello essentially straight up, when most posters here thought Porcello was worth more. Call me crazy, but I don't think it is out of the question that Craig could bring back someone from the Zimmerman, Cueto, Iwakuma tier of pitchers (directly or third team), because of his 3 years + option of team control. If we are looking for bullpen help I would be targeting someone from the Royals pen. Right now I would be content to wait out the market unless one of the above possibilities presented itself. I believe you make a good point. Not sure we can do a Zimmerman, Cueto, etc. trade....but it would be nice. I mentioned in my earlier post that I would have liked to waited until late March on any decision with Craig. That probably is the smart thing to do.
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Post by sibbysisti on Dec 15, 2014 20:49:52 GMT -5
I, too, am reluctant to trade Craig. Can Napoli be counted on to have a full, healthy season? Can you count on Nava to fill Nap's shoes? I believe Allan will right the wrongs that plagued him this past season and return to his 2012, 2013 production. Also, there is still a question mark about Victorino. Craig can provide valuable depth at 1B and RF. Also, Napoli and Victorino's contracts will be up after next season.
There's plenty of time to see what filters down in the RP market. And, of course there are internal options. Escobar probably should start. But there's a boatload of SPs in Pawtucket and Edwin may have to embrace a reliever's role as the fastest ticket to the majors.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 16, 2014 6:15:10 GMT -5
I, too, am reluctant to trade Craig. Can Napoli be counted on to have a full, healthy season? Can you count on Nava to fill Nap's shoes? I believe Allan will right the wrongs that plagued him this past season and return to his 2012, 2013 production. Also, there is still a question mark about Victorino. Craig can provide valuable depth at 1B and RF. Also, Napoli and Victorino's contracts will be up after next season. There's plenty of time to see what filters down in the RP market. And, of course there are internal options. Escobar probably should start. But there's a boatload of SPs in Pawtucket and Edwin may have to embrace a reliever's role as the fastest ticket to the majors. I'd count on Napoli and Nava way before I'd count on Craig.
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Post by nomar on Dec 16, 2014 15:55:58 GMT -5
If our FO is convinced the old Craig will come back then I don't think they'll trade him (at least not for a reliever). He could be a great way to replace Napoli without losing much value. In this scenario, I'd rather trade Victorino. It just depends on what our guys project them to be worth.
Personally I'd love if Craig could be the 2013 Carp of this upcoming season. He could back up Napoli as well as Hanley in most parks. I would rather have someone like that than a good reliever which I think we have hidden somewhere in our system.
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Post by greenmonstah on Dec 22, 2014 18:28:45 GMT -5
I, too, am reluctant to trade Craig. Can Napoli be counted on to have a full, healthy season? Can you count on Nava to fill Nap's shoes? I believe Allan will right the wrongs that plagued him this past season and return to his 2012, 2013 production. Also, there is still a question mark about Victorino. Craig can provide valuable depth at 1B and RF. Also, Napoli and Victorino's contracts will be up after next season. There's plenty of time to see what filters down in the RP market. And, of course there are internal options. Escobar probably should start. But there's a boatload of SPs in Pawtucket and Edwin may have to embrace a reliever's role as the fastest ticket to the majors. I'd count on Napoli and Nava way before I'd count on Craig. As awful as Craig was for us in 2014, I think he'll bounce back this year because he'll finally be 100% healthy. He was clearly not well with us last season. Though I do agree that I'd rely on Napoli and Nava before Craig, only problem is that we have too many utility guys right now.
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