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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 8, 2015 9:37:19 GMT -5
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jan 8, 2015 10:02:10 GMT -5
Don't think so. He's better used as a piece for a bigger piece and I don't think the Angels have a tradeable big piece.
Their system is pretty much a wasteland so not much there either.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 8, 2015 11:19:42 GMT -5
Yeah that's the thing, it's a match going that way, but I don't think there's necessarily one coming back.
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Post by jmei on Jan 8, 2015 11:40:06 GMT -5
I'd be loathe to sell low on Cecchini. He's worth a lot more than a bullpen arm, and I'm betting that he rebuilds much of his value this year in Pawtucket.
Besides, while he's probably not going to be the full-time starter at 3B for the Red Sox anytime soon, he still provides a good deal of value to the organization as injury depth and a useful bench piece. He should be able to learn each of the infield/outfield corners, and his lefty bat helps balance out a very RHH core going forward. Think a more versatile Daniel Nava. There's no urgency to move him unless you're getting at least solid value in return, and I don't see that coming from the Angels.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 8, 2015 14:58:27 GMT -5
I don't do it. I still see Cecchini as a top 100 prospect. Also 3B is lacking in the majors right now which I think really increases his value. I think the Daniel Nava comp is a good one. If you take Nava's bat and put it at 3B with average D that is going to be a very useful player.
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Post by moonstone2 on Jan 8, 2015 15:16:31 GMT -5
What the Angels do have is a ton of young strong bullpen arms like Cam Bedrosian. The Red Sox really don't have the young flamethrowing bullpen guy who could come up in August and stabilize a failing bullpen if need be. It's probably why they are fooling around with Mitchell Boggs.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jan 8, 2015 17:04:39 GMT -5
What the Angels do have is a ton of young strong bullpen arms like Cam Bedrosian. The Red Sox really don't have the young flamethrowing bullpen guy who could come up in August and stabilize a failing bullpen if need be. It's probably why they are fooling around with Mitchell Boggs. Well you are preaching to the choir here. I am betting that a strong bullpen arm or two will be with us come 4/1 or at least by 8/1. I agree with other posters here who champion Cecchini....at least as a bat. Much like my impression of WMB, Cecchini does not look overly athletic at third. I could see him at first for a team valuing OBP with enough power at other positions. |
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 8, 2015 18:59:08 GMT -5
What the Angels do have is a ton of young strong bullpen arms like Cam Bedrosian. The Red Sox really don't have the young flamethrowing bullpen guy who could come up in August and stabilize a failing bullpen if need be. It's probably why they are fooling around with Mitchell Boggs. Eh, the Red Sox have always liked to sign reclamation projects like Boggs. I don't think it's indicative of anything else. The Triple-A bullpen is about as strong as I can remember it being - possibly Workman, Hembree, Escobar, Celestino (who I thought really came on last year), Hinojosa, Noe Ramirez. And Don Caballero will get upset if I don't include Keith Couch. Plus Barnes and Ranaudo (and maybe Johnson) are certainly in play if the bullpen is struggling, and I definitely prefer Barnes to Bedrosian. Would you do Bedrosian straight up for Cecchini? I'd consider it but I'm not in love with minor league relievers. Kind of shows how shallow the Angels system is after Newcomb. Personally I'd like to hold onto Cecchini while he rebuilds his value, because I think he's capable of much better. When I saw him with Pawtucket he was pulling a lot of off-speed stuff foul. So he needs to make an adjustment. Sure, that's much easier said than done, but it wasn't an obvious skill deficiency, like him swinging and missing at that stuff too much. |
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jan 8, 2015 19:09:37 GMT -5
Would anyone here have swapped Cecchini for Ricardo Sanchez?
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 8, 2015 19:23:51 GMT -5
Sure, but the Angels just doled out $500K to sign him last year and then brought him stateside as a 17-year old. No way they'd deal him for Cecchini.
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Post by jmei on Jan 8, 2015 20:09:22 GMT -5
Sure, but the Angels just doled out $500K to sign him last year and then brought him stateside as a 17-year old. No way they'd deal him for Cecchini. They just traded him for Kyle Kubitza, who is a comparableish prospect to Cecchini. |
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 8, 2015 23:27:53 GMT -5
I... this is why the Angels consistently have a bottom-ranked farm system, I guess. They just traded a high-upside arm ranked second in their system by BA for someone who isn't already an established major leaguer. Upside can be overrated, sure, and maybe they've gotten great looks at Kubitza. But their own guys liked Sanchez well enough to dole out $500K for him.
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Post by moonstone2 on Jan 9, 2015 8:15:35 GMT -5
I... this is why the Angels consistently have a bottom-ranked farm system, I guess. They just traded a high-upside arm ranked second in their system by BA for someone who isn't already an established major leaguer. Upside can be overrated, sure, and maybe they've gotten great looks at Kubitza. But their own guys liked Sanchez well enough to dole out $500K for him. I don't know about that.... The reason their system is weak is because they gave up three high picks to sign Wildon, Hamilton and Pujols. A fourth, Cowhert, hasn't panned out. That's hard to make up. |
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Post by jmei on Jan 9, 2015 12:01:07 GMT -5
I... this is why the Angels consistently have a bottom-ranked farm system, I guess. They just traded a high-upside arm ranked second in their system by BA for someone who isn't already an established major leaguer. Upside can be overrated, sure, and maybe they've gotten great looks at Kubitza. But their own guys liked Sanchez well enough to dole out $500K for him. Eh, $580K is not a big enough bonus that he becomes an untouchable (recent Red Sox IFA pitchers with similar bonuses: Enmanuel DeJesus, Jhonathan Diaz, Jose Almonte, Dioscar Romero), and his high ranking may be misleading insofar as the Angels have a very weak farm system. Reports like this make me skeptical that Sanchez is that great of a prospect-- think a guy who has value comparable to Javier Guerra or Wendell Rijo, and not close to being in the same tier as Devers or Urias or Willy Adames. |
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 9, 2015 23:07:34 GMT -5
I wouldn't trade Guerra straight up for someone who isn't in the majors or a top 100 prospect, though. It wouldn't need to be a star or anything, but I just think if you're trading upside for surety it needs to be someone with the downside of a major leaguer. The other thing that is notable that I mentioned earlier is that Sanchez was stateside as a 17-year-old. That alone is pretty aggressive and an indication that the Angels were high on him.
And reading that report on him, I still like him as a prospect. First off, I always snicker a bit when I read that any 17-year old "lacks projection." That's especially true when he's one who throws 95 with movement. Also, he lost velocity throughout the year, sure. But he also didn't turn 17 until April of that season. He was the equivalent of a moderately young high school junior. I'd rank him higher than Kopech if he were on the Red Sox. Sure, that's not Urias (who is my favorite prospect, incidentally), but a 17 year old who throws 95 with movement and struck out 23.6% in the Arizona Rookie League iss not someone you should move for a Kubitza/Cecchini piece.
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Post by jmei on Jan 9, 2015 23:30:41 GMT -5
You probably like Sanchez more than me, but I don't find fault with the theoretical idea of trading upside for a more sure thing prospect at a position of need. Guerra is ranked below Cecchini and Coyle on this website, for instance, which suggests that one would trade Javier for Garin/Sean, and that's a trade I'd be willing to make if I needed a third baseman in a year.
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Post by greenmonstah on Feb 15, 2015 16:16:13 GMT -5
Don't think Angels are looking for a 3B prospect since they just got a similar guy in Kubitza.
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Post by seanleary001 on Feb 15, 2015 17:05:23 GMT -5
Don't think Angels are looking for a 3B prospect since they just got a similar guy in Kubitza. Kubitza was the young 3B they were looking for... |
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Post by chavopepe2 on Feb 15, 2015 17:41:27 GMT -5
You should go back and read posts 9 through 16 in this thread.
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