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Post by sibbysisti on Nov 3, 2012 22:59:46 GMT -5
Pedro Martinez will be returning to the Red Sox as an instructor sometime in the near future, according to Evan Drellich of mlb.com.
Evan reports that he and Papi had dinner after Papi inked his new contract. Cherington discussed the matter briefly and said the team is preparing a position for Pedro when the time is ready.
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Post by wskeleton76 on Nov 3, 2012 23:05:01 GMT -5
Sounds great.
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Post by klostrophobic on Nov 4, 2012 0:43:17 GMT -5
New hitting coach perhaps.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 4, 2012 0:44:33 GMT -5
New hitting coach perhaps. I hope you mean pitching?
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Post by klostrophobic on Nov 4, 2012 1:20:11 GMT -5
Sure, that would work too. Might have to pay him twice as much for the double duty, though.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 4, 2012 6:53:04 GMT -5
Neat.
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Post by sarasoxer on Nov 4, 2012 7:02:25 GMT -5
Now this I view very positively.
Certainly Pedro had physical characteristics that allowed him to possess one of the great all-time change-ups but he was a master of the art of pitching. I think that his stature and knowledge will serve us well in the minor league system and perhaps in the DR with future prospects. Papi too in that regard.
Well done, Ben.
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Post by remember04 on Nov 4, 2012 9:22:17 GMT -5
Maybe someday we can bring back Manny as a hitting coach/grill salesman/head masseuse?
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Post by bigpapismangosalsa on Nov 4, 2012 9:44:24 GMT -5
Quite literally, I don't think I could be more excited about this. He came to Boston when I was 16years old and made me into the Sox fan that I am today (wasn't old enough to truly remember the teams in the 80s, the early 90s teams weren't anything too memorable sometimes either). His leaving - though the right move - was awful to go through, specifically following the "he aint going to no Mets" prediction from either Papi or Manny. Sentimental "yay, Pedro" moment over.
All that said - I think that a lot of the moves of special assistant, etc, to guys from that '04 team are genius in several ways. The first, you are getting knowledge from some of the most prepared and intelligent players ever in a Sox uniform (Pedro and 'Tek). I would assume that having Pedro simply talk to Buchholz and Lester same with 'Tek to Lavarnway will be nothing but helpful (who knows how much, but some small amount at least). The second is you are "holding on to the great past" without it in any way affecting the product on the field. Third, it continues to make the team more likable and marketable. Fourth, you show this as somewhere that "guys want to come back to" - a necessity from the last year and a half. Fifth - these are guys that were experts and "handling" Boston and being able to impart that to a young team is very valuable.
All of these goals, while likely intangible and secondary from actually playing the game are achieved with moves that do not hurt the product on the field (as for instance still having Jason Varitek on the active roster would). Just brilliant. Truly a move to which there is no downside.
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 4, 2012 11:40:46 GMT -5
Best. News. Ever.
Or at least since the 2007 World Series.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 5, 2012 13:51:57 GMT -5
Absolutely fantastic. Hope he gets his chance to talk to Lester and tell him what he sees different in his mechanics. And I hope he gets a chance to talk more with Doubront and talk to De La Rosa. It'll be wonderful having Pedro back in the organization.
It's a great thing that the Sox will have Farrell, Varitek, Pedro, and most likely Rick Petersen in the organization. That can only help the pitching staff.
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Post by burythehammer on Nov 6, 2012 5:42:19 GMT -5
Not that it really matters or offends me in the least but let's be honest, this is a PR move, plain and simple. As was Varitek (maybe less so). And that doesn't mean neither will contribute anything substantive, they probably will, but so could a billion other people in baseball who we have never heard of. At least Pedro is entertaining.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 6, 2012 8:15:33 GMT -5
Not that it really matters or offends me in the least but let's be honest, this is a PR move, plain and simple. As was Varitek (maybe less so). And that doesn't mean neither will contribute anything substantive, they probably will, but so could a billion other people in baseball who we have never heard of. At least Pedro is entertaining. Is Pedro going to help the Sox pitching staff? Well, would Jimi Hendrix have been a good guitar teacher? It's possible, but I really doubt it. People who perform at that level are rarely good teachers, because what they have can't be learned, and they're not good at giving instruction to normal humans because they have no idea what's it's like to be one. Varitek probably has a better chance of being a quality coach because his career was at least partly based in coaching/leadership abilities, as opposed to being a historic talent like Pedro.
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Post by sibbysisti on Nov 6, 2012 10:17:00 GMT -5
I can't share your opinion about Pedro's possible contributions as a team instructor. If you mean that his unique skill set cannot be replicated in a young prospect, you're probably right. But where Pedro can help is to impart his knowledge about the mental aspects of the position, how to set up a batter, how to control your emotions, how to work with your catcher.
Two Sox Hall of Famers, Carl Yazstremski and Jim Rice have been instructors with the team for several years. Has another Yaz or Rice been developed? No. But have the players they have worked with benefited from their advice?
There is no sabremetric to measure the effect a coach has on a player. But these legends easily command the respect and attention of their prospects. I see Pedro's addition to the team as a very positive move.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 6, 2012 18:26:16 GMT -5
Look, it's neat that Yaz or Pedro or whoever shows up for a few weeks in spring training, but those guys really have a pretty minor roll. Yaz ain't riding the Salem bus for five months teaching Xander Bogaerts how to hit. Look at the work that Mike Cather did with Buchholz and Bard. Pedro will never do anything like that for a pitcher.
(Also, I'm not 100% sure that I remember this correctly, but wasn't it reported that Jim Rice used to berate Wade Boggs for his reluctance to swing at the first pitch? That may not be the guy you want around your young hitters.)
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Nov 6, 2012 19:02:59 GMT -5
I can't share your opinion about Pedro's possible contributions as a team instructor. If you mean that his unique skill set cannot be replicated in a young prospect, you're probably right. But where Pedro can help is to impart his knowledge about the mental aspects of the position, how to set up a batter, how to control your emotions, how to work with your catcher. Two Sox Hall of Famers, Carl Yazstremski and Jim Rice have been instructors with the team for several years. Has another Yaz or Rice been developed? No. But have the players they have worked with benefited from their advice? There is no sabremetric to measure the effect a coach has on a player. But these legends easily command the respect and attention of their prospects. I see Pedro's addition to the team as a very positive move. When Jim Kaat was on YES, he used to say that if you want to know how to get a hitter out. Watch how Pedro Martinez does it. Smartest pitcher he's ever seen. That's probably why they didn't renew his contract. Bing in NY Market I'm forced to watch YES instead of NESN. In case you're wondering why I watched Yankee AL-Jazeerah. One thing I find frustrating is that guy we just can't get out. It's one thing if it's an elite player. But, my god it seems there are guys out there whom we have no idea how to pitch to. Case in point. Mike Napoli. Carlos Pena shouldn't hit us like he does either. Maybe, Pedro can take a look at how we attack a couple of key hitters in the league and help out there.
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Post by sarasoxer on Nov 6, 2012 19:31:14 GMT -5
After reading news reports, I don't think Pedro's role has been publicly defined as yet. So perhaps comments on both sides of the issue of his potential helpfulness need to wait a bit.
If Pedro comes to spring training for a week and then departs, he probably will have minimal impact. But, if he can serve as a true and more full-time organizational pitching instructor....this could be very good for us.
The stance that a great player has God given ability and is not able to impart much value to a lesser talented person is not true in the absolute IMO. Pedro had more than exceptional physical ability. Even then he was only 5' 11"....certainly not the prototype. Those who watched him pitch with an eye cast beyond the strikeouts, hits/9 and various ratios, would have developed an appreciation for him as a master of his art. He was cerebral and seemingly cunning...one step ahead of the batter. This is one pitcher that Ted Williams would not have called stupid.
Pedro already has said that he noticed several things mechanically askew with Lester. He is only 41. He can assume more than 'light duty'. I hope that his role is an expansive one.
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Post by welovewally on Nov 7, 2012 1:39:12 GMT -5
I like that the Sox added Pedro. Even though his role is not defined yet I view it as a positive move. Hopefully he grows into a role as an instructor and developes the skills to be a Pitching Coach at the Major League level. Maybe even becoming a Manager. I think its a good idea for organizations to develop Instructors, Coaches & Managers. So if Pedro sees himself in one of those roles going forward then I think the Red Sox Organization is a great place for him to be pursuing that opportunity. Same for Varitek. I wish Lowell would come too if he decided that's what he'd like. I'd love to see 5 years from now Lowell as the MGR with Pedro as the Pitching Coach & Varitek as the Bench Coach after all working their way up through the system with a bunch of kids that they helped developed. And, of course, winning another World Series together!
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 9, 2012 13:20:05 GMT -5
Working with young pitchers on the mentality of pitching and pitching in general would be awesome. Pedro El Grande forever a Red Sox.
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