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Post by jimed14 on Mar 18, 2015 15:23:55 GMT -5
I thought the QO deadline was before free agency began? Did Colorado leave it on the table for a little longer?
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Post by jmei on Mar 18, 2015 15:35:11 GMT -5
I thought the QO deadline was before free agency began? Did Colorado leave it on the table for a little longer? Nope. Last year, for instance, free agency began on November 4th and the deadline to accept a qualifying offer was 5 PM on November 10th. The Mets signed him at 2:40 PM on the 10th, mere hours before that deadline. If he hadn't received that offer from the Mets, he would have accepted the QO. |
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Post by jrffam05 on Mar 19, 2015 13:32:20 GMT -5
I think there is a real possibility Victorino could be worth a QO, although not to the extent that they wouldn't trade him because of it. Lot's of factors, mostly around his health/performance, which most people seem (rightfully) down on.
Let's say Vic puts up a solid and healthy season which leads to a projection of around 2.5 war (big if, but it's close to his current fangraphs projection over 550 AB). That would put him close to the 14-15M QO worth. Sox have shown they prefer overspending in the short term rather than committing to longer years at a better AAV. They solve the outfield equation by letting Napoli walk and moving Hanley to 1B, giving us Betts, Castillo, and Victorino in the outfield while using the rest of the offseason spending on pitching. This would also depend on what happens with Craig, Nava, and Bradley.
Not a probable outcome, but certainty a reasonable one. Not as bad as last year when I was suggesting Sizemore could possibly be worth a qualifying offer. Bad move on my part bringing that track record up while arguing a QO possibility.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 19, 2015 13:36:11 GMT -5
Even if Victorino put up 2.5 WAR, a new team would have to be willing to give him 2 years and give up a draft pick. With his injury history, there's no way in hell I'd give him 2 years. And absent of a 2 year deal offered by another team, the QO is the best he could get and the Red Sox don't want him for another year at $15 million.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 19, 2015 15:32:35 GMT -5
I have it on very good authority that what actually happened is that Cuddyer (or rather his agents, I guess) was desperately searching for a team to sign him before he had to accept the QO, in part because he hated Colorado.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 19, 2015 15:44:29 GMT -5
Why wouldn't you want Castillo in right and betts in center?
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Post by jrffam05 on Mar 20, 2015 15:21:36 GMT -5
I have it on very good authority that what actually happened is that Cuddyer (or rather his agents, I guess) was desperately searching for a team to sign him before he had to accept the QO, in part because he hated Colorado.
New strategy, make your mid level players so miserable that they refuse your qualifying offer. Brilliant! |
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Post by charliezink16 on Mar 24, 2015 13:26:56 GMT -5
I do a weekly podcast where I sum up each MLB division. This week is the AL West. Did you know that the Rangers' LF battle is between Ryan Rua, Jake Smolinski, Carlos Peguero, and Ryan Ludwick? If they're serious about contending this year, Vic should be considered.
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Post by ianrs on Mar 24, 2015 13:49:17 GMT -5
I do a weekly podcast where I sum up each MLB division. This week is the AL West. Did you know that the Rangers' LF battle is between Ryan Rua, Jake Smolinski, Carlos Peguero, and Ryan Ludwick? If they're serious about contending this year, Vic should be considered. I think that after losing Darvish for the year, it would be foolish for the Rangers to trade future assets for a 34 year old Victorino. Especially an exclusively RH hitting, leftfielding, injury prone version of Victorino. |
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Post by nomar on Mar 24, 2015 14:02:35 GMT -5
I'm very worried about his health. I would let someone have him if they ate his salary. I'm fine with Castillo/JBJ/Craig/Nava to start in the last OF spot the rest of the year.
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Post by SoxInTx on Mar 26, 2015 8:38:15 GMT -5
I'm very worried about his health. I would let someone have him if they ate his salary. I'm fine with Castillo/JBJ/Craig/Nava to start in the last OF spot the rest of the year. Completely agree with this. His health is in rapid decline and we have several capable options. It does however require two to tango just need as you said a team willing to eat some salary. |
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Post by ctfisher on Mar 27, 2015 5:33:59 GMT -5
Let's say Vic puts up a solid and healthy season which leads to a projection of around 2.5 war (big if, but it's close to his current fangraphs projection over 550 AB). That would put him close to the 14-15M QO worth. Sox have shown they prefer overspending in the short term rather than committing to longer years at a better AAV. They solve the outfield equation by letting Napoli walk and moving Hanley to 1B, giving us Betts, Castillo, and Victorino in the outfield while using the rest of the offseason spending on pitching. This would also depend on what happens with Craig, Nava, and Bradley.
I'd let Victorino walk before Napoli no matter what kind of season Shane has this year, and even if they let Nap walk, I'd rather give Bradley another shot, and at worst, have some kind of platoon with him/Craig or even Brentz. I don't think Victorino's going to hit well enough to justify giving him $15mil when you have viable options at the league minimum, and that's assuming he's healthy, and all those surgeries and the fact that he's 34 make me question whether he can even be a plus defender in RF in Fenway at this stage |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 27, 2015 9:54:05 GMT -5
Who even cares if Vic is healthy this year when thinking of next. Would one healthy year make you think much differently about his chances of being healthy in 2016 as a 35 year old? Hell no, all the talk about a QO for Vic is a waste of time. There is literally no scenario short of a tragic one that he's given a QO next year.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Mar 30, 2015 16:22:21 GMT -5
How about Victorino/Craig + Cash + a reliever for Dioner Navarro? Navarro is making 4 mil this year before becoming a free agent and a healthy Victorino/Craig should be able to outperform Navarro as a pure DH (healthy is very questionable). Would provide extra insurance for the rookie Pompey and allow Bautista to spend more time DHing.
Pillar (currently Toronto's 4th OFer) is a RHH. So that, and the fact they're in the same division, would be obstacles.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 5, 2015 1:01:31 GMT -5
How about Victorino/Craig + Cash + a reliever for Dioner Navarro? Navarro is making 4 mil this year before becoming a free agent and a healthy Victorino/Craig should be able to outperform Navarro as a pure DH (healthy is very questionable). Would provide extra insurance for the rookie Pompey and allow Bautista to spend more time DHing. Pillar (currently Toronto's 4th OFer) is a RHH. So that, and the fact they're in the same division, would be obstacles. Navarro's nowhere as good as Leon, and has negative value at that salary. Including pitch-framing, Leon projects to be 1.8 to 2.3 WAR per 120 games, Navarro 0.7 to 0.3. |
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Post by jmei on Apr 7, 2015 12:49:20 GMT -5
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 8, 2015 10:49:29 GMT -5
Hey, I'll happily eat all of Victorino's contract if it nets us Sean Doolittle. |
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Post by jmei on Apr 8, 2015 11:06:43 GMT -5
They're signing Cody Ross, which probably rules that out.
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