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Post by kman22 on Dec 17, 2015 11:55:07 GMT -5
Forgot about the pick. This is terrible news for his market. He may not sign till the draft. I bet the Mariners sign him now. Let's hope. The #11 pick sounds nicer than the #12 pick.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 17, 2015 12:18:52 GMT -5
I bet the Mariners sign him now. Let's hope. The #11 pick sounds nicer than the #12 pick. The Mariners wouldn't lose a pick to sign him.
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Post by mgoetze on Dec 17, 2015 12:30:52 GMT -5
It would be pretty strange to give up the #12 pick in the draft to sign one guy to a one-year deal. I'm going to guess Iwakuma ends up with a 3-year deal, but with less guaranteed money and more incentives, or perhaps even a John Lackey clause...
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Post by humanbeingbean on Dec 17, 2015 13:15:55 GMT -5
And costs a draft pick. Well, okay then.
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Post by kman22 on Dec 17, 2015 13:58:49 GMT -5
Let's hope. The #11 pick sounds nicer than the #12 pick. The Mariners wouldn't lose a pick to sign him. Why is their #11 pick protected?
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Post by chavopepe2 on Dec 17, 2015 14:06:52 GMT -5
The Mariners wouldn't lose a pick to sign him. Why is their #11 pick protected? He is their own free agent. You don't lose a pick when you're the one that gave the guy the qualifying offer.
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Post by soxfanatic on Dec 17, 2015 14:06:58 GMT -5
The Mariners wouldn't lose a pick to sign him. Why is their #11 pick protected? Eeh, Iwakuma pitched for them last year.
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Post by kman22 on Dec 17, 2015 17:08:22 GMT -5
Why is their #11 pick protected? He is their own free agent. You don't lose a pick when you're the one that gave the guy the qualifying offer. For some reason, I was thinking this was about Daniel Murphy. Woops.
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Post by nomar on Dec 17, 2015 19:04:36 GMT -5
And costs a draft pick. Well, okay then. 4/68 I bet unless the Dodgers overpay
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Post by sammo420 on Dec 18, 2015 4:31:07 GMT -5
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Post by chavopepe2 on Dec 18, 2015 6:38:19 GMT -5
You do realize the post you quoted is about Chen and the link you provided is about Iwakuma right?
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Post by jimoh on Dec 18, 2015 6:45:09 GMT -5
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 18, 2015 8:03:44 GMT -5
Why is their #11 pick protected? He is their own free agent. You don't lose a pick when you're the one that gave the guy the qualifying offer. Or.... they lose the #11 pick to the Mariners.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 18, 2015 9:03:48 GMT -5
He is their own free agent. You don't lose a pick when you're the one that gave the guy the qualifying offer. Or.... they lose the #11 pick to the Mariners. We're talking about the Mariners, who have the #11 pick. We're talking about Iwakuma and how the Mariners would not have to surrender the #11 pick to sign him because you don't lose a pick to sign your own free agent who you made a qualifying offer to. Let's all say what we mean here, there has been an incredible amount of misunderstanding between almost everyone in the last couple pages.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 18, 2015 9:06:02 GMT -5
You do realize the post you quoted is about Chen and the link you provided is about Iwakuma right? I'm not sure how anyone would know those posts were about Chen. I thought they were about Iwakuma.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Dec 18, 2015 9:14:44 GMT -5
You do realize the post you quoted is about Chen and the link you provided is about Iwakuma right? I'm not sure how anyone would know those posts were about Chen. I thought they were about Iwakuma. Maybe by clicking on the link?
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Post by nomar on Dec 18, 2015 9:18:20 GMT -5
I'm not sure how anyone would know those posts were about Chen. I thought they were about Iwakuma. Maybe by clicking on the link? There has to be some disconnect here.
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 18, 2015 9:26:01 GMT -5
Or.... they lose the #11 pick to the Mariners. We're talking about the Mariners, who have the #11 pick. We're talking about Iwakuma and how the Mariners would not have to surrender the #11 pick to sign him because you don't lose a pick to sign your own free agent who you made a qualifying offer to. Let's all say what we mean here, there has been an incredible amount of misunderstanding between almost everyone in the last couple pages. I meant that if Seattle signed Iwakumara they would need to give themselves the #11 pick. Obviously since he was there own free agent they would not give up the 11th pick.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 18, 2015 9:45:15 GMT -5
We're talking about the Mariners, who have the #11 pick. We're talking about Iwakuma and how the Mariners would not have to surrender the #11 pick to sign him because you don't lose a pick to sign your own free agent who you made a qualifying offer to. Let's all say what we mean here, there has been an incredible amount of misunderstanding between almost everyone in the last couple pages. I meant that if Seattle signed Iwakumara they would need to give themselves the #11 pick. Obviously since he was there own free agent they would not give up the 11th pick. Again, teams don't get the signing team's pick anymore, they get a supplemental 1st round pick. So while you were joking, it wasn't a joke that works anymore.
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Post by jmei on Dec 18, 2015 10:22:37 GMT -5
I really like the Phillies' strategy of signing a bunch of veteran relievers coming off bad seasons/injuries to minor league deals. They've added James Russell, Ernesto Frieri, Andrew Bailey, and Edward Mujica so far. Most of those guys are going to suck and get released, but if a few of them end up pulling a Ryan Madsen, they'll make great trade bait over the summer.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 18, 2015 10:40:19 GMT -5
I'm not sure how anyone would know those posts were about Chen. I thought they were about Iwakuma. Maybe by clicking on the link? The link is about Iwakuma, not Chen. No one has been talking about Chen that I'm aware of. How is clicking on the link going to tell me the posts were about Chen?
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 18, 2015 10:42:01 GMT -5
I meant that if Seattle signed Iwakumara they would need to give themselves the #11 pick. Obviously since he was there own free agent they would not give up the 11th pick. Again, teams don't get the signing team's pick anymore, they get a supplemental 1st round pick. So while you were joking, it wasn't a joke that works anymore. No more jokes until we're all on the same page!
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 18, 2015 10:44:09 GMT -5
I meant that if Seattle signed Iwakumara they would need to give themselves the #11 pick. Obviously since he was there own free agent they would not give up the 11th pick. Again, teams don't get the signing team's pick anymore, they get a supplemental 1st round pick. So while you were joking, it wasn't a joke that works anymore. You are correct. Forgot that part.
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 18, 2015 10:49:59 GMT -5
Again, teams don't get the signing team's pick anymore, they get a supplemental 1st round pick. So while you were joking, it wasn't a joke that works anymore. No more jokes until we're all on the same page! Relax. I've only said anything about Iwakuma/Seattle. I never brought up Chen or even Murphy. Who is not on the same page? Iwakumara signed with Seattle for 3yrs/options. Chen wants 5/100. Someone said they bet Chen gets more like 4/68.
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 18, 2015 10:52:28 GMT -5
This is all that was confusing. It started off about Chen. Then someone posted Iwakumara's new contract.
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