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Post by wcsoxfan on Nov 10, 2012 16:53:39 GMT -5
For some reason his name has been floated around lately.
He will be 29 next season, has collected 12.8 WAR over the past two seasons and has an arm which may actually play UP at Fenway in LF (over his 37 OF assists from the last 2 years).
How about we start with Doubront, Wilson and Brentz? Maybe a bit more? I'm guessing a young ML starting pitcher, or near ML ready starting pitcher would be needed to open up discussions.
He is under contract for 31.5 mil over the next 3 years with an option for 2016.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 10, 2012 18:16:57 GMT -5
He's a good player and with that contract he'll almost certainly be a better value than any of the FA options. On the other hand the Royals are clearly in the hunt for pitching and I don't think the Red Sox are in a postion to give any of that up.
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Post by welovewally on Nov 11, 2012 7:59:23 GMT -5
The Royals are said to be looking for Starting Pitching and I just don't see the Red Sox trading away any of the young arms that would be required. I bet they would ask for Buchholz given his age & contract are similar to Gordon.
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Post by jdb on Nov 11, 2012 18:23:41 GMT -5
I think Buch would be to much and Doubront to little. I do like Gordon though and giving up quality for him would sting a little less knowing he is under contract through his prime years. Does anybody think he could handle RF? Would a Doubront / workman or Britton package work? Again I think Doubront can be a good starter but we can replace him on the FA market.
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Post by nomar on Nov 11, 2012 22:19:51 GMT -5
Doubront would definitely not be enough.
Doubront's peripherals last year were great though. They compare to the likes of Jordan Zimmerman, Ian Kennedy, Chad Billingsley, Homer Bailey, and John Niese. I'm against trading him because he seems to be in a position to have a breakout year.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Nov 11, 2012 23:02:02 GMT -5
I think Buchholz for Gordon would be good value from the Red Sox side, but with their pitching problems it's unlikely they'd consider it. Everyone gets intrigued by Buchholz's great runs and his one season as an elite #2 type starter, but he hasn't been durable and he's been inconsistent the duration of his career. At worst he's an above average pitcher, at best he's an elite #2, but do people really think he's going to be elite year in and year out moving forward? I think Gordon probably will be an elite corner outfielder the next 3-5 seasons. Gordon has been pretty damn good the last two seasons, he isn't owed that much more than Clay, and they are roughly the same age.
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Post by jdb on Nov 11, 2012 23:24:28 GMT -5
I just wouldn't give up Buch for Gordon. He's under contract for 5 more seasons through his 32 year old season. Like Nomar said Doubront has even shown a lot of promise and I'm not sure I would want to do that for Gordon. A lot of his value would be wasted playing LF in Fenway.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Nov 12, 2012 0:22:25 GMT -5
I just wouldn't give up Buch for Gordon. He's under contract for 5 more seasons through his 32 year old season. Like Nomar said Doubront has even shown a lot of promise and I'm not sure I would want to do that for Gordon. A lot of his value would be wasted playing LF in Fenway. He has great arm and just slightly above average range. That's why he seems to be an ideal defender for LF at Fenway as no other LF in the game come close to him in terms of throwing runners out. I think we all agree though; at least one of the Red Sox top young starters have to be included in any deal for Gordon. With 4 talented young starters to choose from - I think it's worth making the offer. As jdb did mention, Doubront is replaceable in the short term through free agency - and long term there are more options. This is why I would start with Doubront.
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Post by nomar on Nov 12, 2012 11:22:10 GMT -5
I'd rather trade Buchholz in a package where we get Gordon and Hosmer, but i doubt Hosmer will be sold low so that wont happen either.
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Post by larrycook on Nov 12, 2012 14:18:06 GMT -5
Doubront would definitely not be enough. Doubront's peripherals last year were great though. They compare to the likes of Jordan Zimmerman, Ian Kennedy, Chad Billingsley, Homer Bailey, and John Niese. I'm against trading him because he seems to be in a position to have a breakout year. What could the Sox offer to lure Niese away from the Mets?
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Post by sibbysisti on Nov 12, 2012 16:53:38 GMT -5
Doubront would definitely not be enough. Doubront's peripherals last year were great though. They compare to the likes of Jordan Zimmerman, Ian Kennedy, Chad Billingsley, Homer Bailey, and John Niese. I'm against trading him because he seems to be in a position to have a breakout year. What could the Sox offer to lure Niese away from the Mets? Saltalamacchia?
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Post by nomar on Nov 12, 2012 16:59:48 GMT -5
More than just Salty. Thats for sure. Niese doesnt have a high enough ceiling to trade for IMO.
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Post by larrycook on Nov 13, 2012 14:05:07 GMT -5
More than just Salty. Thats for sure. Niese doesnt have a high enough ceiling to trade for IMO. Niese had a decent 1.17 WHIP and only gave up 22 taters. However if Niese is not appealing, should the Sox make a run at Cliff Lee of the Phillies. (1.11 WHIP but 26 taters) The Phillies could use Ellsbury and we have Aceves and some prospects to include in the deal.
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Post by bluechip on Nov 13, 2012 15:46:12 GMT -5
More than just Salty. Thats for sure. Niese doesnt have a high enough ceiling to trade for IMO. I agree. Niese would make an excellent back end of the rotation, but he really does not have top of the rotation upside. He might be an upgrade on Doubront, but really what's the point of trading chips to upgrade the fourth starter slightly?
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Post by larrycook on Nov 26, 2012 13:52:07 GMT -5
More than just Salty. Thats for sure. Niese doesnt have a high enough ceiling to trade for IMO. I agree. Niese would make an excellent back end of the rotation, but he really does not have top of the rotation upside. He might be an upgrade on Doubront, but really what's the point of trading chips to upgrade the fourth starter slightly? I thought Niese would fit into the #3 hole for us, but if he is not viewed as a najor upgrade, then what would it take to get Cliff Lee from the Phillies? They need outfielders and we have Ellsbury plus we can throw in Miller, Rubby Salty and Webster.
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