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5/20 ML Gameday Thread: PawSox in the morning
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Post by Jonathan Singer on May 20, 2015 9:01:44 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 20, 2015 9:04:16 GMT -5
Drive need to make a roster move to activate Fernandez. My guess is Bautista moves up.
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Post by sarasoxer on May 20, 2015 11:08:14 GMT -5
Jeeezz, does Owens have Steve Blass disease?....Four more walks in three innings.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 20, 2015 12:38:23 GMT -5
Jeeezz, does Owens have Steve Blass disease?....Four more walks in three innings. Not that bad. But, 30 bb's in 42 1/3 innings isn't going to get you into the big leagues. Sounds like he's working on his 3rd pitch more. A curve. Which probably affects his overall delivery. Hope he sticks with that gameplan. He'll need a 3rd pitch. Let him work on his command all year with no expectations. Unrealistic I know. But, maybe better in the long-term if he just works on things this year. |
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Post by ericmvan on May 20, 2015 12:48:37 GMT -5
Jeeezz, does Owens have Steve Blass disease?....Four more walks in three innings. His command has gone backwards, which is disappointing. But in a weird way, I believe it strengthens the argument that you can't assess his stuff by looking at his measurable velocity. He's walked 30 guys in 42.1 innings -- 16.8% of BFP. He's also fanned 35 (19.6%) and allowed a .200 BABIP. His ERA is 3.19. Last year in AAA, there was no one with an ERA below 3.50 and a walk rate above 10.0% (minimum 80 IP). The five guys with walk rates above 12.0% had ERAs of 7.29, 4.56, 5.21, 5.15, and 6.68. It's basically a strange and insane pitching line. The .200 BABIP is obviously partly luck, but he was .275 last year (.267 in AA) and .253 two years ago. Basically, a guy that wild should either be a flame thrower fanning a ton of guys, or should be very, very hittable. Incidentally, of his 5 hits allowed today, two were bunts and two were back-to-back doubles he allowed to two of the last three hitters he faced. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 20, 2015 13:03:49 GMT -5
It's interesting that he is keeping the hits down, but I note that after typically hovering between .250 and .265 (excepting a spike up over .300 last year in his short Pawtucket stint where he got hit hard), his BABIP was .205 entering today and his strikeout rate is at an all-time low of 7.3 per 9 (although that'll go up with the 5 in 5.1 today).
The other thing about today's game that caught my eye was the 4 SB against him. I know Hanson and Lombardozzi have some speed, but still, four?
Anyway, the fact that he's working in the slider amidst these numbers is curious. As Ian noted (http://news.soxprospects.com/2015/05/scouting-scratch-henry-owens_7.html), hitters were getting good cuts on the fastball, which hadn't been the case at lower levels. I come away thinking this is a) some BABIP luck and b) the fact that more advanced hitters are able to figure him out better than hitters at lower levels did.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 20, 2015 13:04:40 GMT -5
LOL, watched my first couple of innings this year and in spite of the PawSox catching up 1-1, not much positive to comment on. Eveland looked decent but he lacks speed.
Taking time off from baseball for family (kids school summertime). Everything is OK here, I'll probably be back being a pain in the butt around June 1st.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 20, 2015 13:06:11 GMT -5
LOL, watched my first couple of innings this year and in spite of the PawSox catching up 1-1, not much positive to comment on. Eveland looked decent but he lacks speed. Taking time off from baseball for family (kids school summertime). Everything is OK here, I'll probably be back being a pain in the butt around June 1st. Would be lying if I said I hadn't been wondering. Glad to hear everything's OK, Ray. |
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 20, 2015 13:07:13 GMT -5
Jeeezz, does Owens have Steve Blass disease?....Four more walks in three innings. His command has gone backwards, which is disappointing. But in a weird way, I believe it strengthens the argument that you can't assess his stuff by looking at his measurable velocity. He's walked 30 guys in 42.1 innings -- 16.8% of BFP. He's also fanned 35 (19.6%) and allowed a .200 BABIP. His ERA is 3.19. Last year in AAA, there was no one with an ERA below 3.50 and a walk rate above 10.0% (minimum 80 IP). The five guys with walk rates above 12.0% had ERAs of 7.29, 4.56, 5.21, 5.15, and 6.68. It's basically a strange and insane pitching line. The .200 BABIP is obviously partly luck, but he was .275 last year (.267 in AA) and .253 two years ago. Basically, a guy that wild should either be a flame thrower fanning a ton of guys, or should be very, very hittable. Incidentally, of his 5 hits allowed today, two were bunts and two were back-to-back doubles he allowed to two of the last three hitters he faced. Henry might be one of those guys you just can't quantify. I can hear you groan from 350 miles away  Might just be an outlier. He'll never develop given his current command issues. Or, it might just click someday. People don't want to hear it. But, he's too young to give up on. And, has too much potential to kick to the curb. Ride it out. Might get bumpy. If another team blows you away with a trade offer, you can deal him. They can't see his stats too though. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 20, 2015 13:22:03 GMT -5
LOL, watched my first couple of innings this year and in spite of the PawSox catching up 1-1, not much positive to comment on. Eveland looked decent but he lacks speed. Taking time off from baseball for family (kids school summertime). Everything is OK here, I'll probably be back being a pain in the butt around June 1st. Would be lying if I said I hadn't been wondering. Glad to hear everything's OK, Ray. Having a great time. Inspirational story. I have a friend coming to visit from SoCal but he wants to ship a Harley and come when it arrives. He's turning 75 next week, LOL. Haha, I ride a rice burner. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 20, 2015 13:44:38 GMT -5
PawSox lost. They earned that.
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Post by jimed14 on May 20, 2015 14:14:20 GMT -5
Has anyone seen Simon Mercedes this year? For someone who supposedly can hit 100 mph, 5.64 K/9 looks a little disappointing.
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Post by ericmvan on May 20, 2015 15:46:01 GMT -5
His command has gone backwards, which is disappointing. But in a weird way, I believe it strengthens the argument that you can't assess his stuff by looking at his measurable velocity. He's walked 30 guys in 42.1 innings -- 16.8% of BFP. He's also fanned 35 (19.6%) and allowed a .200 BABIP. His ERA is 3.19. Last year in AAA, there was no one with an ERA below 3.50 and a walk rate above 10.0% (minimum 80 IP). The five guys with walk rates above 12.0% had ERAs of 7.29, 4.56, 5.21, 5.15, and 6.68. It's basically a strange and insane pitching line. The .200 BABIP is obviously partly luck, but he was .275 last year (.267 in AA) and .253 two years ago. Basically, a guy that wild should either be a flame thrower fanning a ton of guys, or should be very, very hittable. Incidentally, of his 5 hits allowed today, two were bunts and two were back-to-back doubles he allowed to two of the last three hitters he faced. Henry might be one of those guys you just can't quantify. I can hear you groan from 350 miles away Might just be an outlier. He'll never develop given his current command issues. Or, it might just click someday. People don't want to hear it. But, he's too young to give up on. And, has too much potential to kick to the curb. Ride it out. Might get bumpy. If another team blows you away with a trade offer, you can deal him. They can't see his stats too though. I think you contradicted yourself, but I know what you mean. Command he showed previous to this year with average amount of improvement -> 3rd / 4th starter Current command -> up and down guy Significantly improved command -> borderline ace or 2nd starter ... Lester caliber, more or less The last line is where I disagree with most scouts. For him to develop command as good as, say, Buchholz's, is well within the realm of possibility. If that happens, I just don't see how his measurable velocity limits him being an essentially average MLB pitcher when he has deception that adds a few effective MPH, a tremendous change, and one or two solid other pitches. There have been many big, tall, LHP who took years to improve their command. I'm comfortable with being patient with him. He has until age 25 or 26 to put it together. I would advise against adding him to the roster this year, no matter how good he looks, until it's so late that an option year can't possibly be burned, because he seems likely to be a three steps forward, two steps back guy. |
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Post by amfox1 on May 20, 2015 16:19:26 GMT -5
Marban to Portland, Luis Diaz to TIA.
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Post by amfox1 on May 20, 2015 17:09:51 GMT -5
Fernandez to Greenville, Beeks to TIA.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 20, 2015 19:18:12 GMT -5
Moncada's 2nd single was a solid up the middle shot on a low down the middle off speed pitch, as previously reported way fast bat. Guerra's single was a liner to RF which came close to going out, nice swing, you guys are gonna like him lots. He got a single but the RFer should have had it. It was off a fastball (pitcher is a lefty). Chavis K'ed on a high offspeed pitch.
Chavis isn't as stumpy looking as his spring training pics made you feel.
Guerra has WOW range to 3B side and a decent (note I didn't say great) arm.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 20, 2015 19:42:21 GMT -5
Whoever the reliever is, righty in the 6th, just made a nice pickoff which was followed by a nice up the middle play by Doubon, yes he's got glove. Impressive defensive inning all the way around.
Moncada's K was looking on a high outside loopy breaking ball that caught the edge of the plate. So far, I haven't seen Longhi square one up (2 ABs sample size).
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Post by iakovos11 on May 20, 2015 19:54:04 GMT -5
Ugly outing from Stank, tonight. Hopefully just a bad night.
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Post by iakovos11 on May 20, 2015 20:04:34 GMT -5
Whoever the reliever is, righty in the 6th, just made a nice pickoff which was followed by a nice up the middle play by Yoan, yes he's got glove. Impressive defensive inning all the way around. Moncada's K was looking on a high outside loopy breaking ball that caught the edge of the plate. So far, I haven't seen Longhi square one up (2 ABs sample size). According to the box, Moncada is DH'ing and Dubon playing 2B. That could be wrong, though. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 20, 2015 20:22:14 GMT -5
Whoever the reliever is, righty in the 6th, just made a nice pickoff which was followed by a nice up the middle play by Yoan, yes he's got glove. Impressive defensive inning all the way around. Moncada's K was looking on a high outside loopy breaking ball that caught the edge of the plate. So far, I haven't seen Longhi square one up (2 ABs sample size). According to the box, Moncada is DH'ing and Dubon playing 2B. That could be wrong, though. No, I had it wrong. Doubon is at 2nd. Similar to mistaking Cano for Pedroia. In retrospect, the pivot and throw was very natural, like a second baseman should. Considering he was a SS last year, good to see. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 20, 2015 20:36:28 GMT -5
Drive won on a Moncada low line single to left, Guerra sac bunt to the pitcher and Chavis with a flare to the SS side of center field. Moncada has wheels, play at the plate wasn't close.
Forgot to mention, earlier in the game, saw a nice running catch by CF Miller and Myers almost got a guy at second on a LF wallball.
Tough statement to make based off a TV screen but reliever Harris looked more impressive than starter Fernandez. Big righty, probably looks faster than he is to the batters becase he throws with max effort, over the top and the ball comes from behind his head.
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Might just be an outlier. He'll never develop given his current command issues. Or, it might just click someday. People don't want to hear it. But, he's too young to give up on. And, has too much potential to kick to the curb. Ride it out. Might get bumpy. If another team blows you away with a trade offer, you can deal him. They can't see his stats too though. 
