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What Can Be Done to Fix the Sox?
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jun 20, 2015 18:11:29 GMT -5
danr, every mathematical trailblazer is ignored in his own home network of people.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2015 23:16:30 GMT -5
It's just the Sox luck that their bad contracts all belong to guys who are simply either fat, damaged goods or not as good as advertised - None of which are punishable by suspension or voiding of the contract. Someone needs to introduce Hanley, Pablo, Castillo, Craig, Porcello and Miley to Alex Rodriguez.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 21, 2015 10:20:38 GMT -5
It's just the Sox luck that their bad contracts all belong to guys who are simply either fat, damaged goods or not as good as advertised - None of which are punishable by suspension or voiding of the contract. Someone needs to introduce Hanley, Pablo, Castillo, Craig, Porcello and Miley to Alex Rodriguez. So that they too can not have their contracts voided and go on to have excellent seasons for a contending club while still under their "bad" contracts? Agreed, I guess...
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 21, 2015 10:38:19 GMT -5
The thing is, just because you think "hey I got a couple of hits last game, I'm sure I'll get a hit here today" ... doesn't actually help you get a hit. If you believe otherwise, bring the evidence. I didn't just mean that it's, "I'm sure I'll get a hit today", I was thinking more like, "It's been working when I stand here in the batter's box against these types of pitchers" type of thinking. It isn't just a mental thing, players are learning the pitchers and may be adjusting their approach or swing. Edit: And I'm not saying that streaks can't be caused by random variation, but it is possible that there's a little something else going on. Your (logical) posts are falling on deaf ears. For whatever reason, mgoetze is under the impression that baseball players are closer to robots than human beings. (FWIW I favor stats the vast majority of the time, but the human elements can't be discounted entirely.)
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jun 22, 2015 10:28:51 GMT -5
Bradford's article today was great about what allowed the Royals to have the best record on the AL over the last 294 games. Here is a quote from their GM:
"You definitely have to get on base," Moore said. "And you have to be able to go first to third, and score from second. In our ballpark, if you hit a ball in the alley with a runner on first we need that player to be able to score or push the defense and put pressure on them. We don't like a lot of strikeouts. It's important to put the ball in play. You have to know what your approach is. It's absolutely devastating to an offense when you have runners on base and you strike out.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 22, 2015 11:22:50 GMT -5
Steve - just noticed (I think it's new) your caption below your Mookie picture, aprticularly the bit about jai-alai. As a freshman I went to the Univ of Miami and about month into school a bunch of guys on our floor piled into 2 cars and went up to (Lauderdale, I think) to take in a jai-alai match. It was pretty cool. The ride back was race between the 2 cars, both going 100mph down 95 towards Miami. I'll never forget that night. Thankfully we all survived. The car I was in lost as we got off the wrong exit and literally got lost.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 22, 2015 11:23:51 GMT -5
The thing is, just because you think "hey I got a couple of hits last game, I'm sure I'll get a hit here today" ... doesn't actually help you get a hit. If you believe otherwise, bring the evidence. No, but over the course of a season, a players physical condition is constantly variable. He could go on a run where he's feeling physically healthier and that is a very real thing. The issue is I have no confidence in a manager to be able to discern when a player is actually hot and when there is just random variation. The statistical truth is that players are demonstrably streaky in retrospect, but the effect is so mild that it has essentially no predictive value. The scouting truth is that you can see absolutely see when certain hitters have fixed or acquired a mechanical flaw, but they acquire and fix them often enough and randomly enough that this has little predictive value, e.g., Napoli developing (I'm guessing) some other flaw a week after fixing the one that had plagued him all season. It is absolutely true that certain hitters hit much better when they've played N consecutive days, even to the point of OPS correlating to N. Manny was like that. So was Julio Lugo. OTOH, Mike Lowell was at his best after a day off.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 22, 2015 12:06:50 GMT -5
Steve - just noticed (I think it's new) your caption below your Mookie picture, aprticularly the bit about jai-alai. As a freshman I went to the Univ of Miami and about month into school a bunch of guys on our floor piled into 2 cars and went up to (Lauderdale, I think) to take in a jai-alai match. It was pretty cool. The ride back was race between the 2 cars, both going 100mph down 95 towards Miami. I'll never forget that night. Thankfully we all survived. The car I was in lost as we got off the wrong exit and literally got lost. Did you bet on the games? They are so obviously fixed. I hate jai-alai. At least the throwing of the games after everyone figures out who the best teams are and the bets start piling up on them.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 22, 2015 12:53:10 GMT -5
No betting for me. I had very little money and no interest in throwing it away. Just find the game itself fascinating.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Jun 22, 2015 13:35:20 GMT -5
Way back when I first visited a friend in Miami in the late 70s we went to jai-alai, bet $8 on a trifrecta box picking 3 pretty random numbers. It turned out that one of the players was a real low ranked longshot and suddenedly he was up to serve and if he won his point that trifecta, which was part of our box, was going to pay close to $1,000
The crowd was excited and rowdy in anticipation and then the longshot served a fault, not even close, and put himself out of contention.
My friend turned to me and said, "that's what happens when the horses can read the tote board." Never went back.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jun 22, 2015 14:12:59 GMT -5
Steve - just noticed (I think it's new) your caption below your Mookie picture, aprticularly the bit about jai-alai. As a freshman I went to the Univ of Miami and about month into school a bunch of guys on our floor piled into 2 cars and went up to (Lauderdale, I think) to take in a jai-alai match. It was pretty cool. The ride back was race between the 2 cars, both going 100mph down 95 towards Miami. I'll never forget that night. Thankfully we all survived. The car I was in lost as we got off the wrong exit and literally got lost. Did you bet on the games? They are so obviously fixed. I hate jai-alai. At least the throwing of the games after everyone figures out who the best teams are and the bets start piling up on them. No.....my caption is not new.....and really half serious about jai-alai. Down here, I probably could have substituted that with shuffleboard. With dog racing also, Florida has some different passions. Not for everyone that is sure!
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Post by danr on Jun 22, 2015 16:43:15 GMT -5
Steve - just noticed (I think it's new) your caption below your Mookie picture, aprticularly the bit about jai-alai. As a freshman I went to the Univ of Miami and about month into school a bunch of guys on our floor piled into 2 cars and went up to (Lauderdale, I think) to take in a jai-alai match. It was pretty cool. The ride back was race between the 2 cars, both going 100mph down 95 towards Miami. I'll never forget that night. Thankfully we all survived. The car I was in lost as we got off the wrong exit and literally got lost. Some things never change. Christmas, 1964, my college roommate and I drove to Miami Beach from Baltimore in my 1959 Ford Galaxy 500 convertible. One of our fraternity brothers lived on an island in Biscayne Bay. We drove 120 MPH through south Florida at midnight. My car had spotlights on each side and we had them on as well as our brights and still almost rear-ended a stopped truck. When you are 20 you think you are indestructible and can do just about anything.
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Post by jmei on Jun 23, 2015 12:46:16 GMT -5
Alex Speier with the following in today's newsletter:
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 23, 2015 13:13:00 GMT -5
Alex Speier with the following in today's newsletter: You mean... there's actually a tomorrow?? You have got to be kidding!
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Post by danr on Jun 23, 2015 13:42:36 GMT -5
Edes points out in his ESPN piece today that since Henry's public comments, "the Sox have undergone a transformation at the plate. They come into Tuesday's game against the Baltimore Orioles hitting .296 in June, the highest average in the majors. They're first in hits (205), first in doubles (47), tied for first in triples (8), third in slugging (.466), fourth in on-base average (.343), seventh in runs (94) and 11th in home runs (19)... (Since June 11) "They've posted a slash line of .305/.358/.517/.876..." Ortiz is .324/.444/.649/1.093 in that span
"Five Sox players since that date are hitting .300 or better, led by Mookie Betts, who is batting .556 ... Pablo Sandoval (.429), Blake Swihart (.360) and Brock Holt (.356),..."
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 23, 2015 15:29:45 GMT -5
Make John Henry the batting coach!
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Post by soxfan4life on Jun 23, 2015 20:36:42 GMT -5
I think that both Ortiz and Napoli should be dropped way down in the order.I like Betts ,Holt and Pedroia in the top three.I would go with Ramirez,Bogaerts then Sandoval after.I just think the both strike out too much as well as hit into too many double plays and they both have killed some rallies.Just a thought.What do you all think?
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Post by nomar on Jun 23, 2015 20:52:55 GMT -5
We've been hitting a lot. Napoli is very cold but he isn't why we're losing. Joe Kelly put us in a losing situation tonight. Sometimes your starter will do that. I don't see how dropping Ortiz (vs RHP) would be beneficial at all.
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Post by nomar on Jun 23, 2015 20:55:57 GMT -5
Hope someone gets on base so we can have the top of the order in the 9th. Leon leading off would be a death sentence.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 24, 2015 10:45:09 GMT -5
How to fix the team for this year? I have no idea but something can be done for next year, here what I would like them to do: -Sign FA Doug Fister (He should be the pitcher who'll need the smallest committment in years from all the pitching crop that'll hit the FA market this fall) - Sign FA Danny Valencia to the type of money/contract they gave Gomes: He's a lefty killer and could play some 3rd base, some first base and LF - Trade for Stephen Vogt: He's also the type of hitter who can move across the diamond (C,1B and COF). In his case, the price should be steep because of the quality of his bat and he's also very cheap, I'm thinking something like Owens, Devers and Marrero. - Talk to Ortiz and make him understand that he'll see his playing time drastically diminished, something along the line of Ken Griffey Jr during his last year with Seattle (I know it didn't end up well with the nap-gate and all but this is the situation we're in right now with the total incapacity of Hanley to play the field) So we basically end up with 2 DHs but the versatility of Holt, Vogt, Valencia and having 3 CFers playing the OF (JBJ, Castillo and Mookie) give this team a lot of flexibility. The roster would look like this: SP: Fister, Buc, Rodriguez, Porcello, Miley BP: Tazawa, Koji, Layne, Escobar, Barnes, Light, Kelly C: Swihart, Hanigan (till CV finishes his rehab) IF: Vogt, Pedroia, X, The fat guy, Valencia, Holt OF: JBJ, Mookie, Castillo DH: Papi & Hanley The OF looks thin but like I said: Holt, Vogt, Valencia and Ramirez get you covered. Of course, we don't know if JBJ and Castillo could hit major league pitching, we don't know also if Kelly, Barnes and Light could miss bats in the majors but we'll have all the second half to figure that out when the team will be out of contention by the AS Break. Add: Keep in mind that English is my 4th language so don't kill me on spelling and grammar
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Post by ethanbein on Jun 24, 2015 11:51:43 GMT -5
- Sign FA Danny Valencia to the type of money/contract they gave Gomes: He's a lefty killer and could play some 3rd base, some first base and LF Minor point, but Valencia isn't a FA after this year - BR says he only had 3 years of service time going into this year.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jun 24, 2015 12:07:05 GMT -5
How to fix the team for this year? I have no idea but something can be done for next year, here what I would like them to do: -Sign FA Doug Fister (He should be the pitcher who'll need the smallest committment in years from all the pitching crop that'll hit the FA market this fall) - Sign FA Danny Valencia to the type of money/contract they gave Gomes: He's a lefty killer and could play some 3rd base, some first base and LF - Trade for Stephen Vogt: He's also the type of hitter who can move across the diamond (C,1B and COF). In his case, the price should be steep because of the quality of his bat and he's also very cheap, I'm thinking something like Owens, Devers and Marrero. - Talk to Ortiz and make him understand that he'll see his playing time drastically diminished, something along the line of Ken Griffey Jr during his last year with Seattle (I know it didn't end up well with the nap-gate and all but this is the situation we're in right now with the total incapacity of Hanley to play the field) So we basically end up with 2 DHs but the versatility of Holt, Vogt, Valencia and having 3 CFers playing the OF (JBJ, Castillo and Mookie) give this team a lot of flexibility. The roster would look like this: SP: Fister, Buc, Rodriguez, Porcello, Miley BP: Tazawa, Koji, Layne, Escobar, Barnes, Light, Kelly C: Swihart, Hanigan (till CV finishes his rehab) IF: Vogt, Pedroia, X, The fat guy, Valencia, Holt OF: JBJ, Mookie, Castillo DH: Papi & Hanley The OF looks thin but like I said: Holt, Vogt, Valencia and Ramirez get you covered. Of course, we don't know if JBJ and Castillo could hit major league pitching, we don't know also if Kelly, Barnes and Light could miss bats in the majors but we'll have all the second half to figure that out when the team will be out of contention by the AS Break. Add: Keep in mind that English is my 4th language so don't kill me on spelling and grammar English is my first language and you write better than I do. I've been a Danny V fan since his Twin days. I'd take a chance on him. I want a big time pitcher over Fister ,but not a bad plan.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 24, 2015 12:13:23 GMT -5
I'd have a hard time picking between Fister and Masterson next year. I'd go with neither.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 24, 2015 12:35:31 GMT -5
How to fix the team for this year? I have no idea but something can be done for next year, here what I would like them to do: -Sign FA Doug Fister (He should be the pitcher who'll need the smallest committment in years from all the pitching crop that'll hit the FA market this fall) - Sign FA Danny Valencia to the type of money/contract they gave Gomes: He's a lefty killer and could play some 3rd base, some first base and LF - Trade for Stephen Vogt: He's also the type of hitter who can move across the diamond (C,1B and COF). In his case, the price should be steep because of the quality of his bat and he's also very cheap, I'm thinking something like Owens, Devers and Marrero. - Talk to Ortiz and make him understand that he'll see his playing time drastically diminished, something along the line of Ken Griffey Jr during his last year with Seattle (I know it didn't end up well with the nap-gate and all but this is the situation we're in right now with the total incapacity of Hanley to play the field) So we basically end up with 2 DHs but the versatility of Holt, Vogt, Valencia and having 3 CFers playing the OF (JBJ, Castillo and Mookie) give this team a lot of flexibility. The roster would look like this: SP: Fister, Buc, Rodriguez, Porcello, Miley BP: Tazawa, Koji, Layne, Escobar, Barnes, Light, Kelly C: Swihart, Hanigan (till CV finishes his rehab) IF: Vogt, Pedroia, X, The fat guy, Valencia, Holt OF: JBJ, Mookie, Castillo DH: Papi & Hanley The OF looks thin but like I said: Holt, Vogt, Valencia and Ramirez get you covered. Of course, we don't know if JBJ and Castillo could hit major league pitching, we don't know also if Kelly, Barnes and Light could miss bats in the majors but we'll have all the second half to figure that out when the team will be out of contention by the AS Break. Add: Keep in mind that English is my 4th language so don't kill me on spelling and grammar It could just be me, but I'd really hate to part with Devers. I really believe in that kid's bat. I know Vogt is playing very well right now, but I like Devers' future better than Vogt's and wouldn't want to make that kind of deal. The Sox definitely need a 1b, lefthanded hitter I would think would be preferable, but at this point, they clearly need an upgrade from Napoli.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 24, 2015 13:59:56 GMT -5
Missed that trade of Devers, and for Vogt? No f'in way. You're fired.
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