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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 7, 2015 19:35:36 GMT -5
We really need a LH bat as Papi's career is winding down. Fielder was a true ironman until injured last year.He's mostly DH'd this year. 10g at 1b. He's had a revival at the plate. He's due 18m per year over the next 5 years. Detroit is picking up 6m per year. They've got Gallo needing ab's once Beltre comes back. Beltre is signed for one more year. They now have Hamilton back. Who looks more like a DH. Moreland is ok at 1b.Would they deal Fielder for pitching? Prob not until the winter.
Buchholz and Owens??
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Post by telson13 on Jun 7, 2015 21:09:55 GMT -5
We really need a LH bat as Papi's career is winding down. Fielder was a true ironman until injured last year.He's mostly DH'd this year. 10g at 1b. He's had a revival at the plate. He's due 18m per year over the next 5 years. Detroit is picking up 6m per year. They've got Gallo needing ab's once Beltre comes back. Beltre is signed for one more year. They now have Hamilton back. Who looks more like a DH. Moreland is ok at 1b.Would they deal Fielder for pitching? Prob not until the winter. Buchholz and Owens?? Offer one or the other, not both. A thought, but Fielder will always have lots of question marks, including weight and "intangibles."
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Post by sibbysisti on Jun 7, 2015 21:13:37 GMT -5
We already have one Fatty in the infield.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 8, 2015 6:25:04 GMT -5
Is this real life?
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 8, 2015 7:20:43 GMT -5
What's your suggestion? Bat Manny Margot cleanup next year?
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 8, 2015 8:16:41 GMT -5
What's your suggestion? Bat Manny Margot cleanup next year? Hanley Ramirez is the DH. Why would you trade Buchholz for Fielder? You could get a lot more than that for Buchholz.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 8, 2015 8:33:54 GMT -5
What's your suggestion? Bat Manny Margot cleanup next year? Hanley Ramirez is the DH. Why would you trade Buchholz for Fielder? You could get a lot more than that for Buchholz. Fielder will play 1b. He's not just a DH. If you care to venture over to his career. Until last year, he played 150+ games at 1b 8 straight years. I'd say that's pretty durable. Hanley is stuck in LF next year. Because, Papi will come back for another year. www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/fieldpr01.shtml I would sell high on Buchhholz at this deadline. If a real GM were signing free agents, he could find one as good as Buchholz in free agency for the same price.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 8, 2015 9:15:10 GMT -5
You know that thing about selling high and buying low? Trading for Prince Fielder after he's spent 10 weeks pretending to be Tony Gwynn following years of decline isn't that.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 8, 2015 10:07:01 GMT -5
You know that thing about selling high and buying low? Trading for Prince Fielder after he's spent 10 weeks pretending to be Tony Gwynn following years of decline isn't that. You are also getting him at a discounted price. He had a damn good year in 2012, slid back in 2013 and got hurt last year. Back to raking now that he's healthy? What decline. Fielder's cumulative war over the last four years is +8.5. Isn't that 2.1 above league average? Over those last 4 years Clay's cumulative war is -0.8. Isn't that slightly below league average?
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 8, 2015 10:21:33 GMT -5
I can't find any calculation that has Buchholz's four-year WAR in the red. Which are you using?
2.0 WAR is about an average player. The problem here is your fun with arbitrary endpoints. His four-year WAR is weighted very, very heavily to the time longest ago. B-Ref has Buchholz in the lead since '13 at 3.4 to 3.3. Fangraphs, meanwhile, gives Buchholz a 5.9 to 3.3 advantage. By using four-year WAR, you are basically saying that 2012 is the important gauge of what player Buchholz and Fielder are currently.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 8, 2015 10:26:41 GMT -5
I can't find any calculation that has Buchholz's four-year WAR in the red. Which are you using? 2.0 WAR is about an average player. The problem here is your fun with arbitrary endpoints. His four-year WAR is weighted very, very heavily to the time longest ago. B-Ref has Buchholz in the lead since '13 at 3.4 to 3.3. Fangraphs, meanwhile, gives Buchholz a 5.9 to 3.3 advantage. By using four-year WAR, you are basically saying that 2012 is the important gauge of what player Buchholz and Fielder are currently. I went by baseball reference. Maybe, I read it wrong. Do you really think Buchholz has been above average 3 of the last 4 years? And, he only lasted 2 1/2 months in his good year. I don't get the love for him on here.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jun 8, 2015 10:31:54 GMT -5
Hanley Ramirez is the DH. Why would you trade Buchholz for Fielder? You could get a lot more than that for Buchholz. Fielder will play 1b. He's not just a DH. If you care to venture over to his career. Until last year, he played 150+ games at 1b 8 straight years. I'd say that's pretty durable. Hanley is stuck in LF next year. Because, Papi will come back for another year. www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/fieldpr01.shtml I would sell high on Buchhholz at this deadline. If a real GM were signing free agents, he could find one as good as Buchholz in free agency for the same price. It's not certain that Papi will be back next year. 2016 and 2017 are option years. If He continues his funk, he may be facing more bench time, especially against LHs. Plate appearances are vital to his extensions.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 8, 2015 10:50:21 GMT -5
Hanley Ramirez is the DH. Why would you trade Buchholz for Fielder? You could get a lot more than that for Buchholz. Fielder will play 1b. He's not just a DH. If you care to venture over to his career. Until last year, he played 150+ games at 1b 8 straight years. I'd say that's pretty durable. Hanley is stuck in LF next year. Because, Papi will come back for another year. www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/fieldpr01.shtml
I would sell high on Buchhholz at this deadline. If a real GM were signing free agents, he could find one as good as Buchholz in free agency for the same price. Really? You can sign a 30 year old pitcher who has two $13 million options as good as Buchholz as a free agent? We should find 5 of them.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jun 8, 2015 10:55:58 GMT -5
I want Hanley at DH. If Papi is on the team, I'd try Hanley at first. So I don't trade for Prince , but not sure why people are just dumping on your ideas like they are way out there.
I think I would look into selling high on Clay B at the deadine if we are out of it. He could bring back a good package.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 8, 2015 11:15:00 GMT -5
I wouldn't trade for Prince Fielder if there were no one on the team.
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Post by soxworld on Jun 8, 2015 11:19:00 GMT -5
I wouldn't trade for Prince Fielder if there were no one on the team. Glad you said it.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 8, 2015 13:10:40 GMT -5
Having a guy with a career .912 OPS would really suck. Heck, it's .960 this year. We could always bring Napoli back or promote Travis Shaw.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 8, 2015 13:34:06 GMT -5
Having a guy with a career .912 OPS would really suck. Heck, it's .960 this year. We could always bring Napoli back or promote Travis Shaw. Maybe we should trade for ARod.
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Post by jmei on Jun 8, 2015 15:22:38 GMT -5
Fangraphs' prorated projections (50/50 ZiPS/Steamer) going forward: Napoli: 2.6 fWAR Fielder: 2.8 fWAR
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 8, 2015 15:25:09 GMT -5
Fangraphs' prorated projections (50/50 ZiPS/Steamer) going forward: Napoli: 2.6 fWAR Fielder: 2.8 fWAR And that leaves out the part where Fielder is signed through 36, where he's probably projected to have less than that.
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Post by jmei on Jun 8, 2015 15:27:28 GMT -5
Having a guy with a career .912 OPS would really suck. Heck, it's .960 this year. We could always bring Napoli back or promote Travis Shaw. Fielder is a pretty good hitter. He also happens to be one of the worst baserunners in the league and a below-average fielder at 1B. He's also 31, has weight/conditioning issues, and has 5.5 years of guaranteed money left on his deal at $18m per year. Even with Detroit paying a decent chunk of it off, that contract is probably one of the fifteen or twenty worst in baseball, and I wouldn't trade for Fielder if they were giving him away for free. I'm certainly not giving up any real assets to do so.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jun 8, 2015 17:15:14 GMT -5
Having a guy with a career .912 OPS would really suck. Heck, it's .960 this year. We could always bring Napoli back or promote Travis Shaw. Fielder is a pretty good hitter. He also happens to be one of the worst baserunners in the league and a below-average fielder at 1B. He's also 31, has weight/conditioning issues, and has 5.5 years of guaranteed money left on his deal at $18m per year. Even with Detroit paying a decent chunk of it off, that contract is probably one of the fifteen or twenty worst in baseball, and I wouldn't trade for Fielder if they were giving him away for free. I'm certainly not giving up any real assets to do so. Well, that has to be hyper bowl. You mentioned length of contract then wouldn't take him for free. Can't see how that meshes. If someone else is paying he can be cut at any time. As for base running, Papi can't run, Hanley is running like he has knives sticking out of his knees, and Napoli is likely gone. I don't want him because Hanley will be here and we have to deal. Fielding for Hanley unknown but not likely to be worse. Papi, better but likely to get hurt. I must be missing something.
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 8, 2015 17:28:40 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Jun 8, 2015 17:39:22 GMT -5
Fielder is a pretty good hitter. He also happens to be one of the worst baserunners in the league and a below-average fielder at 1B. He's also 31, has weight/conditioning issues, and has 5.5 years of guaranteed money left on his deal at $18m per year. Even with Detroit paying a decent chunk of it off, that contract is probably one of the fifteen or twenty worst in baseball, and I wouldn't trade for Fielder if they were giving him away for free. I'm certainly not giving up any real assets to do so. Well, that has to be hyper bowl. You mentioned length of contract then wouldn't take him for free. Can't see how that meshes. If someone else is paying he can be cut at any time. As for base running, Papi can't run, Hanley is running like he has knives sticking out of his knees, and Napoli is likely gone. I don't want him because Hanley will be here and we have to deal. Fielding for Hanley unknown but not likely to be worse. Papi, better but likely to get hurt. I must be missing something. I meant I wouldn't trade for him and his entire contract even if I weren't giving up anything in return trade-wise. Apologies for the misleading language.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jun 8, 2015 17:52:29 GMT -5
Well, that has to be hyper bowl. You mentioned length of contract then wouldn't take him for free. Can't see how that meshes. If someone else is paying he can be cut at any time. As for base running, Papi can't run, Hanley is running like he has knives sticking out of his knees, and Napoli is likely gone. I don't want him because Hanley will be here and we have to deal. Fielding for Hanley unknown but not likely to be worse. Papi, better but likely to get hurt. I must be missing something. I meant I wouldn't trade for him and his entire contract even if I weren't giving up anything in return trade-wise. Apologies for the misleading language. Got it, and agree.
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