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Post by bigpupp on Jun 14, 2015 20:34:49 GMT -5
Taking a step back, and without going into whether the Sox should accept it, what teams would be interested in Buchholz and what would those offers realistically look like?
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Post by jdb on Jun 14, 2015 20:47:12 GMT -5
Taking a step back, and without going into whether the Sox should accept it, what teams would be interested in Buchholz and what would those offers realistically look like? I'd think the Texas teams would be interested for sure.
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Post by bigpupp on Jun 14, 2015 21:01:05 GMT -5
Taking a step back, and without going into whether the Sox should accept it, what teams would be interested in Buchholz and what would those offers realistically look like? I'd think the Texas teams would be interested for sure. I was thinking them and Toronto, but don't know they have that might interest the Sox.
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Post by nomar on Jun 14, 2015 21:48:12 GMT -5
I'd think the Texas teams would be interested for sure. I was thinking them and Toronto, but don't know they have that might interest the Sox. Toronto doesn't match up with us at all. Gallo or maybe Mazara+ would work for me from Texas. I may be in the minority, but I think this is a great year to trade Buchholz. I would deal him and go hard after Price this offseason.
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Post by bigpupp on Jun 14, 2015 22:13:47 GMT -5
But there's no way Gallo would be available for Buchholz, right?
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Post by nomar on Jun 14, 2015 22:20:55 GMT -5
But there's no way Gallo would be available for Buchholz, right? I'm not sure what the consensus is on him. His K rate makes him very risky, but he also has a high ceiling and fans love him. I doubt they'd trade him but I have no clue.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 14, 2015 22:58:02 GMT -5
But there's no way Gallo would be available for Buchholz, right? I would think the Rangers would offer Mitch Moreland instead of Gallo.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 14, 2015 22:59:53 GMT -5
Some Cubs fans suggested a Buchholz for Baez swap last week. Sign me up. A Cubs fan might make that deal, but I doubt Theo would. They know Baez has serious power to go along with his question marks. It's also highly doubtful that Schwarber would be a guy the Cubs would want to deal. Buchholz might be the type of guy the Cubs would sign as a free agent, but they certainly wouldn't give up Schwarber in a deal for him.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 15, 2015 16:06:23 GMT -5
But there's no way Gallo would be available for Buchholz, right? I'm not sure what the consensus is on him. His K rate makes him very risky, but he also has a high ceiling and fans love him. I doubt they'd trade him but I have no clue. Look past his K%, he walks a lot and hits bomb-diggitys. If Rangers think they are contenders this year, they may consider moving Beltre and handing the job to Gallo.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 15, 2015 17:47:02 GMT -5
I would think Buchholz would be interesting to any number of contending teams. He's got a contract befitting (in the current market) a 4 or 5. It's also team-options from here on out, meaning it's very low risk. Put him in the NL and he's probably substantially better. Imagine what he'd do in Pac Bell. Or, for that matter, in Citizen's or Chavez. I think if the Sox could get a young pitcher with quality stuff who's struggled a bit at the ML level, and a high-upside high-A player, that's a deal to make. If Peavy gets Iglesias and Montas and Samardzija/Hammel gets Addison Russel and McKinnley, Buchholz probably returns something closer to the latter.
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Post by nomar on Jun 15, 2015 18:01:50 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the consensus is on him. His K rate makes him very risky, but he also has a high ceiling and fans love him. I doubt they'd trade him but I have no clue. Look past his K%, he walks a lot and hits bomb-diggitys. If Rangers think they are contenders this year, they may consider moving Beltre and handing the job to Gallo. Definitely possible unless he regresses significantly which I believe there is a very good chance of happening before too long. Mazara would be awesome too, I think there's definitely a good package out there among the several suitors Clay would bring.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 16, 2015 7:52:14 GMT -5
The Dodgers might be able to use Clay and Koji. I know we won't get Seager or Urias. Not familiar with the rest of their system.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 16, 2015 8:18:39 GMT -5
The Dodgers might be able to use Clay and Koji. I know we won't get Seager or Urias. Not familiar with the rest of their system. m.mlb.com/prospects/2015?list=laTeach a man to fish ...
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 16, 2015 9:40:35 GMT -5
The Dodgers might be able to use Clay and Koji. I know we won't get Seager or Urias. Not familiar with the rest of their system. m.mlb.com/prospects/2015?list=laTeach a man to fish ... Link not working. Bait fell off the hook.
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Post by taftreign on Jun 16, 2015 11:03:48 GMT -5
The short of it is you're essentially going to be asking for one of Grant Holmes RHP ( LA's 2014 1st rounder) or Jose De Leon RHP (2013 24th rounder who has broke out) as the foundational piece. I imagine LA would have interest in Clay considering the options and quality repertoire along with Greinkes potential opt out at seasons end. And I believe Clay would pitch great in LA.
That said I am hesitant to give up on Clay. The potential dominance is still in there. So I'd have to feel I was getting a high upside E Rod type to make the move. Such a trade would as a result open a spot for one of Johnson or Owens next year as the youth movement continues.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 16, 2015 11:22:58 GMT -5
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 16, 2015 11:54:32 GMT -5
Some Cubs fans suggested a Buchholz for Baez swap last week. Sign me up. The Cubs would probably be a good match if the Red Sox decided to trade Buchholz. Theo and his troops likely know what he can do, and reuniting Lester/Ross and Buchholz could be a good match. Also, it is unlikely that CIN/MIL will trade within the division or that CWS will trade within city limits, thereby taking Cueto, Leake, Samardzjia, etc. off the table. The Cubs need upgrades in LF, the bullpen and need one more starter. Currently, they would be the 2nd wild card if the season were to end today. Schwarber could be the answer in LF for the Cubs, so I wouldn't expect him to be traded. Alternatively, there's been some buzz about trading for Zobrist to fill the spot. There's also been some buzz about trading Baez to the Mets for Steven Matz, and it does seem like Baez, Starlin Castro and Billy McKinney are the most likely trade bait for the Cubs to use. Baez is currently hurt and not expected back until sometime in July (broken finger), and I'm not sure we need to be trading for a middle infielder with a lot of swing-and-miss in his game and questions about his ability to handle premium velocity, albeit one who may eventually move to 3B.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 17, 2015 6:34:10 GMT -5
But there's no way Gallo would be available for Buchholz, right? I would think the Rangers would offer Mitch Moreland instead of Gallo. Moreland could be an interesting target for us. We need a 1b. Preferably, one who hits left-handed. Not just now. For next year too. He's in his last year of arb. before free agency next year. There aren't any good ones available in free-agency. Need to stay away from Chris Davis and Scott Boras. I'd hate to give up Buccholz for him. Miley?? Texas has Hamilton coming back. He should prob dh. They have Fielder at DH, who can play 1b. They have Joey Gallo now. Not sure where they are going to play him.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 17, 2015 7:23:19 GMT -5
Moreland is almost 30 and is finally having his first good season with a .355 BABIP. I'd trade Cecchini for him.
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Post by jdb on Jun 17, 2015 7:37:38 GMT -5
Texas could also use an arm in the pen and are familar with Koji. Gallo isn't going anywhere guys but maybe someone like Lewis Brinson could.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 17, 2015 8:47:13 GMT -5
Moreland is almost 30 and is finally having his first good season with a .355 BABIP. I'd trade Cecchini for him. You're also projecting Napoli to be as good as Prince Fielder. Do you always make smart-arse comments? Or, just when I say something?? And, Miley is no great shakes either.
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Post by ctfisher on Jun 17, 2015 9:58:47 GMT -5
Moreland is almost 30 and is finally having his first good season with a .355 BABIP. I'd trade Cecchini for him. You're also projecting Napoli to be as good as Prince Fielder. Do you always make smart-arse comments? Or, just when I say something?? And, Miley is no great shakes either. Miley might be "no great shakes" but it would be absurd to trade him for Moreland: the guy's previous career high in fWAR is 0.8. I feel pretty confident that this year's an outlier, and Miley has actually been pretty decent for the most part recently and is pretty much a lock to be more valuable than Moreland over the rest of the season, let alone over the life of their contracts
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Post by justen on Jun 17, 2015 10:56:43 GMT -5
Some Cubs fans suggested a Buchholz for Baez swap last week. Sign me up. The Cubs would probably be a good match if the Red Sox decided to trade Buchholz. Theo and his troops likely know what he can do, and reuniting Lester/Ross and Buchholz could be a good match. Also, it is unlikely that CIN/MIL will trade within the division or that CWS will trade within city limits, thereby taking Cueto, Leake, Samardzjia, etc. off the table. The Cubs need upgrades in LF, the bullpen and need one more starter. Currently, they would be the 2nd wild card if the season were to end today. Schwarber could be the answer in LF for the Cubs, so I wouldn't expect him to be traded. Alternatively, there's been some buzz about trading for Zobrist to fill the spot. There's also been some buzz about trading Baez to the Mets for Steven Matz, and it does seem like Baez, Starlin Castro and Billy McKinney are the most likely trade bait for the Cubs to use. Baez is currently hurt and not expected back until sometime in July (broken finger), and I'm not sure we need to be trading for a middle infielder with a lot of swing-and-miss in his game and questions about his ability to handle premium velocity, albeit one who may eventually move to 3B. I would love me some Danny Vogelbach who is blocked by Anthony Rizzo and doesn't have the positional flexibility to go elsewhere. Dude walks just as much as he strikes out, only question mark is ability to play first. No doub to me the power is on its way as well.
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Post by nomar on Jun 17, 2015 12:15:57 GMT -5
Vogelbach is a good guy to target, I agree. He's completely blocked. Not even close to Buchholz's value though.
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Post by justen on Jun 17, 2015 14:55:59 GMT -5
Agreed that it would take more but certainly an interesting player to have in mind with the demise of Ortiz.
Amfox pointed out the Cubs bullpen being one area of potential need for an upgrade, but it's already pretty solid. If we were completely out of it I wouldn't be against packaging Uehara if it meant maximizing the value of both players. But that would be hard to do.
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