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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 23, 2015 17:17:46 GMT -5
KC had just sent Yordano Ventura down, so they called him right back up. If they're trading for an arm, it's probably a front-line type rather than a Miley.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 23, 2015 17:31:52 GMT -5
Id be on the phone with the Nationals. Holt would be perfect for them to cover up their injuries because he's so versatile.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 23, 2015 17:36:49 GMT -5
Id be on the phone with the Nationals. Holt would be perfect for them to cover up their injuries because he's so versatile. Except that Mike Rizzo is nearly impossible to deal with (see Amaro, Jr., Ruben).
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 24, 2015 8:23:10 GMT -5
Could be but they do make trades and you're the one with something they want (presumably) not the other way around. Huge difference.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 24, 2015 8:30:46 GMT -5
I know it's complete heresy but that team in the Bronx desperately needs a second baseman and want a super utility guy to supplement all their creaky veterans. If they were desperate/liked him enough to offer either Judge or Severino back, I'd do it. I know it seems like a stretch, but we've all seen Cashman repeatedly trade away young talented players for immediate gratification before.
You don't have to trade Holt but as we've all acknowledged, his value may never be higher. And we've all seen GMs who believe they are a player away from making the playoffs or advancing in them who make "bold moves" at the deadline, selling top prospects for that guy.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 24, 2015 8:56:12 GMT -5
I know it's complete heresy but that team in the Bronx desperately needs a second baseman and want a super utility guy to supplement all their creaky veterans. If they were desperate/liked him enough to offer either Judge or Severino back, I'd do it. I know it seems like a stretch, but we've all seen Cashman repeatedly trade away young talented players for immediate gratification before. You don't have to trade Holt but as we've all acknowledged, his value may never be higher. And we've all seen GMs who believe they are a player away from making the playoffs or advancing in them who make "bold moves" at the deadline, selling top prospects for that guy. Sure, but cannot see either team making that trade. MFY system falls off rapidly after Judge.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 24, 2015 9:48:34 GMT -5
I know it's complete heresy but that team in the Bronx desperately needs a second baseman and want a super utility guy to supplement all their creaky veterans. If they were desperate/liked him enough to offer either Judge or Severino back, I'd do it. I know it seems like a stretch, but we've all seen Cashman repeatedly trade away young talented players for immediate gratification before. You don't have to trade Holt but as we've all acknowledged, his value may never be higher. And we've all seen GMs who believe they are a player away from making the playoffs or advancing in them who make "bold moves" at the deadline, selling top prospects for that guy. Sure, but cannot see either team making that trade. MFY system falls off rapidly after Judge. Pedroia and holt to the Yankees for judge and severino?
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Post by jdb on Jul 24, 2015 9:53:52 GMT -5
I've seen some rumors the Nats are interested in Zobriest and even Chapman. Both would be expensive but maybe a Holt/Koji deal would be cheaper.
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Post by justen on Jul 24, 2015 10:11:52 GMT -5
I've seen some rumors the Nats are interested in Zobriest and even Chapman. Both would be expensive but maybe a Holt/Koji deal would be cheaper. Would a Joe Ross be too much to ask for a Koji/Brock combo? Nationals have a few interesting prospects they'd be a nice target.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 24, 2015 10:22:02 GMT -5
Sure, but cannot see either team making that trade. MFY system falls off rapidly after Judge. Pedroia and holt to the Yankees for judge and severino? Well, Pedroia has a no trade, he's got an affordable contract, and other than his last 20 or so at bats he's an above average or All Star second baseman and a box office draw so I am guessing that's a bunch of automatic no right there. Not sure why you would trade him given all that, but Judge and Severino wouldn't be enough in that package considering the dance partner. And you'd keep Holt if you actually do that deal or you have no second baseman in Boston. Severino may end up as a reliever, anyway, unless he learns to involve the lower half of his body more in his pitching. You can be small and start, but you've gotta use the legs to get consistent innings and take wear off the arm.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 24, 2015 10:29:38 GMT -5
Sure, but cannot see either team making that trade. MFY system falls off rapidly after Judge. Pedroia and holt to the Yankees for judge and severino? *sigh* That ranks up there with the Babe Ruth deal.
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Post by nomar on Jul 24, 2015 10:37:22 GMT -5
Sure, but cannot see either team making that trade. MFY system falls off rapidly after Judge. Pedroia and holt to the Yankees for judge and severino? Giving the Yankees a 4-5 WAR middle infielder when that's their most shallow position organizationally would be terrible.
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Post by jdb on Jul 24, 2015 10:44:55 GMT -5
I've seen some rumors the Nats are interested in Zobriest and even Chapman. Both would be expensive but maybe a Holt/Koji deal would be cheaper. Would a Joe Ross be too much to ask for a Koji/Brock combo? Nationals have a few interesting prospects they'd be a nice target. The Nats rotation is in transition with Zimmerman and Fister free agents after the year and Strasburg after next season. For that reason I don't think they trade Ross and maybe not even Cole who's more of a back end guy. I think you'd be looking at Feede or Lopez + and I'd try to pry Victor Robels from them. He could be a top 15-30 prospect next year.
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Post by caseytins on Jul 24, 2015 10:46:10 GMT -5
Is there any chance Tyler Glasnow could be pried away from the Pirates?
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 24, 2015 11:31:50 GMT -5
For Holt, absolutely not.
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Post by caseytins on Jul 24, 2015 12:09:31 GMT -5
I was thinking Holt, Koji, and prospects to make a trade happen. Perhaps something like Holt, Koji, and Marrero for Glasnow and a B-type prospect in the Pirates organization? The Red Sox and Pirates have been trade partners in recent years and Holt can go back to his former club.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 24, 2015 13:14:06 GMT -5
I was thinking Holt, Koji, and prospects to make a trade happen. Perhaps something like Holt, Koji, and Marrero for Glasnow and a B-type prospect in the Pirates organization? The Red Sox and Pirates have been trade partners in recent years and Holt can go back to his former club. If I'm PIT, why do I do this when I can make separate trades, get the same value and NOT give up my very best prospect. It's not like Koji is unique on the market (and I'm not sure PIT needs a Koji in any event). Holt and Marrero are duplicative. Smart people don't trade quarters for a bunch of nickels, and I will keep saying it until the trade deadline ends.
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Post by caseytins on Jul 24, 2015 13:35:43 GMT -5
I just used Marrero as an example. Perhaps there would be more interest in Tazawa, given his age and contract. I'm a huge fan of Glasnow and am just trying to throw out ideas to see if there could be a potential trade. I'd be willing to throw in Margot or Guerra if we got something decent back from the Pirates in addition to Glasnow. I think that Neal Huntington is a lot easier to talk to than many of the other GMs.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 24, 2015 13:47:30 GMT -5
I just used Marrero as an example. Perhaps there would be more interest in Tazawa, given his age and contract. I'm a huge fan of Glasnow and am just trying to throw out ideas to see if there could be a potential trade. I'd be willing to throw in Margot or Guerra if we got something decent back from the Pirates in addition to Glasnow. I think that Neal Huntington is a lot easier to talk to than many of the other GMs. I am also a big fan of Glasnow, but he (plus another piece) will cost BOS Betts or Bogaerts. Don't think they'd be all that interested in Swihart, and I don't really see another fit. Ergo, I don't see a possible, realistic trade involving Glasnow.
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Post by jdb on Jul 25, 2015 15:29:25 GMT -5
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Post by taftreign on Jul 25, 2015 17:39:09 GMT -5
Yeah from the reports on the very budget conscious ownership and an unwillingness to spend money it seemed Conforto and the Atlanta trade would the extent of moves. Then you read they discussed Tulo with Colorado, Bruce with Cincinnati, Zobrist and Clippard with Oakland and Upton with San Diego and you think maybe they are willing to take on more.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 25, 2015 19:10:25 GMT -5
The Pedroia injury could put a crimp in plans to trade Holt (if there were any such plans). I'd still trade him, even if Pedroia is out for an extended period.
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Post by taftreign on Jul 25, 2015 22:30:52 GMT -5
The Pedroia injury could put a crimp in plans to trade Holt (if there were any such plans). I'd still trade him, even if Pedroia is out for an extended period. Eh, this teams not going anywhere so it shouldn't effect the decision to trade Holt. Just bring up Marrero and he can learn second on the job.
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Post by ausox on Jul 25, 2015 23:09:15 GMT -5
I love Holt and would prefer to keep him because his versatility is so valuable, but for the right pitching prospect I would move him.
What about targeting someone like Kyle Zimmer from the Royals? He profiles as a front of the rotation type starter but injuries have obviously impacted his development. We would be selling high on Holt and buying low on Zimmer. He is certainly a risk, but it's so difficult to find front line starters that maybe it would be worth it. Maybe the Royals would be interested in a package of Holt and Victorino?
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Post by telson13 on Jul 26, 2015 10:31:43 GMT -5
I've seen some rumors the Nats are interested in Zobriest and even Chapman. Both would be expensive but maybe a Holt/Koji deal would be cheaper. Imagine if the Sox could get Giolito for that pair. Holt has four more years of control and Koji 1.5. Each alone could probably fetch a 40-60 range prospect...could both together (with their favorable contract situations) net a top-10?
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