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Post by amfox1 on Jul 23, 2015 17:27:57 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal @ken_Rosenthal 6m6 minutes ago
#Mets don’t believe they need third baseman; defense better with Murphy at 3B than 2B. Want slugging OFer, ideally under control beyond ’15.
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Ding, ding, ding!
Hanley Ramirez, come on down!
Here's my proposal.
Red Sox trade Hanley Ramirez ($19.75/22.75/22.75/22.75) plus $5mm in 2017 to NYM
NYM trade Michael Cuddyer ($8.5/12.5/FA/FA - included as cash offset) and prospects 22YO double-A RH SP Michael Fulmer and 20YO high-A 1B Dominic Smith
Reasoning:
1. Mets essentially clean up the bad PR from the Cuddyer signing and get 3.3 years of Hanley for (effectively) $55mm, or $16.6mm/yr, which would be highly backloaded. They get a big offensive upgrade and get good PR and trade nothing off this season's team or any of their young major league pitchers.
2. Red Sox begin to clean up the bad PR from the offseason signings and open a spot in the OF for JBJ/Castillo. Red Sox also clear approx. $3.75mm off their luxury tax overage, giving them a chance to get under the tax threshold. Red Sox pick up $10mm/$18mm/$23mm in room for FA signings over the next three years. Cuddy becomes a part-time player and/or gets traded or retires in the offseason. The Red Sox pick up two promising prospects at positions of need.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 23, 2015 17:30:09 GMT -5
Mets are having money issues. So unless the sox eat a boat load of money it won't happen
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 23, 2015 17:30:52 GMT -5
“@jessespector: I asked Alderson if David Wright's insurance situation gives the Mets more financial flexibility for a trade. He said no.” “ mike_Vorkunov: Alderson says the insurance money Mets have recouped from Wright's deal won't allow them more financial flexibility in trades” |
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 23, 2015 17:35:29 GMT -5
I know. I likely know the Mets organization better than anyone on this board. But this is the sort of deal the Wilpons could, I think, get interested in because of the backloaded nature of Hanley's contract (as structured by this deal) and the positive PR they could engender in the NY market.
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Post by nomar on Jul 23, 2015 17:36:08 GMT -5
Smith's total lack of power worries me (not just HR but XBH in general), but I think that's a fair deal. It won't happen though, Mets won't want to pay him.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 23, 2015 17:48:11 GMT -5
... this is the sort of deal the Wilpons could, I think, get interested in because of the backloaded nature of the deal. Make it a Bonilla backload and you might be onto something. |
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Post by soxfan06 on Jul 23, 2015 18:03:45 GMT -5
Tweet says they want an OFer. Not a DH.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 23, 2015 18:08:13 GMT -5
Tweet says they want an OFer. Not a DH. Hanley has been ok as an OF on the road. Fenway (read: the wall), however, is giving him problems. To my eye, Hanley has been no worse than an average left fielder outside of Fenway in the past couple of months because he can utilize his speed and athleticism to track down balls in larger outfields. |
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Post by arzjake on Jul 23, 2015 19:29:29 GMT -5
Tweet says they want an OFer. Not a DH. Hanley has been ok as an OF on the road. Fenway (read: the wall), however, is giving him problems. To my eye, Hanley has been no worse than an average left fielder outside of Fenway in the past couple of months because he can utilize his speed and athleticism to track down balls in larger outfields. Victorino is a match. |
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 23, 2015 19:37:34 GMT -5
Yes, but the Mets aren't going to take on much of his contract or give up much for him. |
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Post by arzjake on Jul 23, 2015 19:39:38 GMT -5
Yes, but the Mets aren't going to take on much of his contract or give up much for him. Your right. It clears up a position for youth either in JBJ or the Cuban.. Add DeAza as well.. Mets still paying Bonilla? |
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 23, 2015 19:50:42 GMT -5
I still think Ben can find a better deal for Victorino. The Mets are more likely to go for a De Aza for C prospect trade.
What's the relevance of Bonilla's payments to this discussion? Only the uninformed think that was a bad financial decision by the Mets or that it affects the current payroll.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 24, 2015 8:22:37 GMT -5
Two problems I see. First, would the Mets be willing to deal Smith to get out from under Cuddyer? Smith's in-game homer power hasn't shown up yet, but he's hitting a ton of doubles and he just turned 20 a month ago. I feel like they'd be willing to move him for value, but that really feels like selling low to me. Second, I feel like it's going to be tough for an NL team to deal for Hanley. He is sort of without a position. I still think he can become an adequate defensive left fielder (which is a pretty low bar), but a team trading for him probably needs to be an AL team, in case he can't. Plus, Citi Field's left field tends to play pretty big, right? It's a tough match there.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 24, 2015 8:54:52 GMT -5
. What's the relevance of Bonilla's payments to this discussion? Only the uninformed think that was a bad financial decision by the Mets or that it affects the current payroll. It's relevant because it's money they need to pay and it's money they can point to their fans and say they need to pay so it affects cash spending. It's also relevant because of cash spending. If the team has a cash spending budget each year then that Bonilla check comes from their operating account so it matters. Whether you think it was a sound financial decision for the Mets or not doesn't mean it doesn't have any affect on today's spending.. |
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 24, 2015 8:58:23 GMT -5
You do realize that Bonilla's payments are roughly equal to two minimum salary players per year, right? It has no relevance, not even to the Mets.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 24, 2015 10:33:02 GMT -5
The Mets are probably making the players pay for sodas now.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 24, 2015 10:33:30 GMT -5
So much for that idea.
Bob Nightengale @bnightengale 5m5 minutes ago
The #Mets wait no longer and bring up Michael Conforto to make his #MLB debut while Michael Cuddyer goes on DL
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Post by Costigan on Jul 24, 2015 10:35:08 GMT -5
The Mets are calling up Conforto today, does that put a stop to any De Aza or Victorino deal to New York?
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 24, 2015 10:38:42 GMT -5
Believe so, for now.
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Post by nomar on Jul 24, 2015 10:42:53 GMT -5
Conforto is likely not ready for the majors. If he doesn't get off to a hot start they'll probably make a deal still.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 24, 2015 11:30:34 GMT -5
Conforto is likely not ready for the majors. If he doesn't get off to a hot start they'll probably make a deal still. Possibly, but most likely an August deal, rather than a trade deadline deal. That's potentially where Victorino comes into play. |
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Post by nomar on Jul 24, 2015 16:37:14 GMT -5
Conforto is likely not ready for the majors. If he doesn't get off to a hot start they'll probably make a deal still. Possibly, but most likely an August deal, rather than a trade deadline deal. That's potentially where Victorino comes into play. Agreed |
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Post by taftreign on Jul 24, 2015 17:51:19 GMT -5
Looks like the Mets are closing in on a deal for Juan Uribe and Kelly Johnson for "young arms" from Atlanta per Jim Bowden.
If so that would eliminate a need for Holt and with the Conforto call up mostly put an end to this thread.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 24, 2015 18:06:25 GMT -5
Yep.
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