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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 6, 2015 12:30:00 GMT -5
I have to have JBJ in CF. Which means I have to have Mookie in LF and Rusney, or his replacement, in RF. Looks like 1B for Hanley, or another team, unless Papi decides to call it a career.
But I start with JBJ in CF, even if he goes oh for the rest of this audition. He'll hit enough, eventually.
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Post by jrffam05 on Aug 6, 2015 12:34:11 GMT -5
I'd be interested in taking on Prado as a RH spell to Sandoval, Ortiz, and Shaw (he hasn't played OF in a while, but I'd be comfortable with him in front of the monster on occasion too) if taking on his salary could somehow get us Capps. I was trying to figure out a Holt ++ for Prado and Capps deal. Or any other possibility of taking on Prado and getting some relief help.
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 6, 2015 12:34:21 GMT -5
occasionally spelling Ortiz as a right-handed DH. Eh... I think that role is already filled.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 6, 2015 12:34:57 GMT -5
Just pointing out that in the minors, Shaw had pretty minor splits. .267/.370/.455 vs. RHP .251/.343/.441 vs. LHP 30 points of OBP is pretty notable, and makes the MLE of his lefty split probably untenable for a starting first baseman. It would be good enough to play without a better option, but Hague is hitting .378/.467/.544 against lefties this year.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 6, 2015 12:38:16 GMT -5
I still think the sox get Byung-Ho Park this offseason
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Post by nomar on Aug 6, 2015 12:42:24 GMT -5
I still think the sox get Byung-Ho Park this offseason And he'll OPS .670 next year, .770 vs LHP, but our manager will play him depending which side his lucky quarter is flipped onto.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 6, 2015 12:48:16 GMT -5
I still think the sox get Byung-Ho Park this offseason I agree with you on this. I suspect if the Sox really wanted to move Hanley to 1b, they would have dumped Napoli already and opened up 1b for Hanley. Hanley has already made it clear he wants to remain in LF and we know he could be a bigger headache for Farrell or the next manager if he's pouting. They still need his bat and Ortiz is headed for another 30 home run season, so he's not going anywhere either. I think the Sox are stuck with Ramirez in LF. So if the Sox need to upgrade any position, then 1b is the obvious one, and I think the Sox go after Byung-Ho Park, who could hit 20 - 30 homers, won't require compensation, and probably wouldn't be that cost prohibitive. I'm also uncertain of what everybody expects out of Swihart. His defense was a work in progress and he had gotten off to a good start offensively in Pawtucket. This is a kid who needed more time. It's not surprising that he's struggling at the major league level. He'll never be the defensive catcher Vazquez will be, but he will have a better bat, and it could be a significant advantage. I think trying to trade him would be short-sighted. Vazquez most likely will never be more than a bottom of the order hitter. Swihart could still very well blossom into a #6 type hitter in a decent lineup. I think he eventually hits .275 with a decent OBP and can hit 15 homers per year as he matures. I think patience is needed with him.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 6, 2015 12:48:54 GMT -5
I still think the sox get Byung-Ho Park this offseason And he'll OPS .670 next year, .770 vs LHP, but our manager will play him depending which side his lucky quarter is flipped onto. Or he could OPS better than that. Kang is doing pretty well in Pittsburgh and this guy has more power than Kang does.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 6, 2015 13:34:26 GMT -5
I still think the sox get Byung-Ho Park this offseason I agree with you on this. I suspect if the Sox really wanted to move Hanley to 1b, they would have dumped Napoli already and opened up 1b for Hanley. Hanley has already made it clear he wants to remain in LF and we know he could be a bigger headache for Farrell or the next manager if he's pouting. They still need his bat and Ortiz is headed for another 30 home run season, so he's not going anywhere either. I think the Sox are stuck with Ramirez in LF. So if the Sox need to upgrade any position, then 1b is the obvious one, and I think the Sox go after Byung-Ho Park, who could hit 20 - 30 homers, won't require compensation, and probably wouldn't be that cost prohibitive. I'm also uncertain of what everybody expects out of Swihart. His defense was a work in progress and he had gotten off to a good start offensively in Pawtucket. This is a kid who needed more time. It's not surprising that he's struggling at the major league level. He'll never be the defensive catcher Vazquez will be, but he will have a better bat, and it could be a significant advantage. I think trying to trade him would be short-sighted. Vazquez most likely will never be more than a bottom of the order hitter. Swihart could still very well blossom into a #6 type hitter in a decent lineup. I think he eventually hits .275 with a decent OBP and can hit 15 homers per year as he matures. I think patience is needed with him. I thought the sox have been scouting him for over a year?
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Post by nomar on Aug 6, 2015 13:44:00 GMT -5
And he'll OPS .670 next year, .770 vs LHP, but our manager will play him depending which side his lucky quarter is flipped onto. Or he could OPS better than that. Kang is doing pretty well in Pittsburgh and this guy has more power than Kang does. He also strikes out 1.4x as much. Kang put up just as good of an ISO and a better OPS last year than Park has this year too. Factoring in his position too, he's way lower risk.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 6, 2015 14:09:20 GMT -5
Castillo RF Bogaerts SS Ortiz DH Ramirez LF Napoli 1B Sandoval 3B Hanigan C Rutledge 2B Bradley CF
Rodriguez LHP
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Post by nomar on Aug 6, 2015 14:17:45 GMT -5
Castillo RF Bogaerts SS Ortiz DH Ramirez LF Napoli 1B Sandoval 3B Hanigan C Rutledge 2B Bradley CF Rodriguez LHP Yeah no point in getting Shaw any looks at a short porch after he went deep twice recently. At least Castillo is there.
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 6, 2015 14:44:07 GMT -5
You want to start a lefty vs. Sabathia? I'd rather have Nap playing. Panda is starting to hit again. If anything, it might be time to sit Hanley for a game - his post-ASB OPS is 448.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 6, 2015 14:56:01 GMT -5
Wright's worst start of the season by far was the one he made on 7 days rest, after the ASB, when he looked like he had no feel for the pitch at all. I've noticed in his ml career that he often pitched poorly when not on regular rest, and of course it makes sense that the knuckleball would benefit from being thrown within the framework of a regular routine. Here's what he's done in his other 7 starts, all with regular rest (4 or 5 days): 42.1 IP, 35 H, 9 BB (0 HB), 33 SO, 3.19 ERA, .217 / .259 / .385 allowed. Except for the 7 HR allowed, he's been kind of tremendous. Because of the HRs, his FIP is 4.43, but he's had a .231 BABIP that's been largely skill rather than luck. We'll see if he keeps this up for the rest of the year. If he does, that puts an extra twist on the decision to sign Masterson as a 5th starter, no? We can't bring Masterson back whether you think Wright is the 5th starter or not. Justin isn't a MLB starting pitcher any longer. If he signs for 2-3m as a long reliever, I'd bring him back. Not as a starter. I'd rather give Wright a crack at the 5th starter with Owens looming in AAA working on his fastball command. "The decision to sign Masterson" was the one made last winter. I'm saying that not only did they sign a guy who proved to be terrible, it's possible they took a job away from a guy who would have been excellent, maybe even in the running (as David Laurilia predicted) for ROY. Masterson's role right now is to be a 5th starter until either Johnson or Buchholz is healthy, so that they can seriously try Kelly in the pen. They're not looking to win the games he starts.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 6, 2015 16:04:59 GMT -5
“@brianmacp: John Farrell: ”A number of us have spoken with“ Hanley Ramirez about his mindset and approach at the plate. ”His swing has gotten big.“”
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Post by nomar on Aug 6, 2015 16:37:30 GMT -5
You want to start a lefty vs. Sabathia? I'd rather have Nap playing. Panda is starting to hit again. If anything, it might be time to sit Hanley for a game - his post-ASB OPS is 448. Oops. For some reason I had it in my head that Eovaldi was going.
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 6, 2015 17:18:34 GMT -5
I thought Xander was doing good hitting number three in the lineup.
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Post by redsox4242 on Aug 6, 2015 18:11:48 GMT -5
I thought Xander was doing good hitting number three in the lineup. It's John Farrells way, or the Long Island express way.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 6, 2015 18:24:02 GMT -5
Eck, those are sliders, not cutters.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 6, 2015 18:25:41 GMT -5
Chris Young has a .500 slugging percentage? WTF? Why can't the Red Sox get freaking lucky like that.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 6, 2015 18:28:59 GMT -5
He's out. Great play by Pablo.
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Post by ethanbein on Aug 6, 2015 18:33:02 GMT -5
Chris Young has a .500 slugging percentage? WTF? Why can't the Red Sox get freaking lucky like that. Cashman more or less said that they signed Chris Young because his hit f/x numbers were better than his results. It's not just luck, it's good analytics - something the Red Sox seem to be lacking in lately.
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Post by jmei on Aug 6, 2015 18:42:37 GMT -5
Chris Young has a .500 slugging percentage? WTF? Why can't the Red Sox get freaking lucky like that. This new meme of yours that most player evaluation is purely luck rings false. Yes, there's a significant component of chance involved, especially when you're talking smaller samples. No, it isn't all luck. Although I should mention the 2013 seasons of, among others, Shane Victorino, Stephew Drew, Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Mike Carp, and Craig Breslow.
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Post by nomar on Aug 6, 2015 18:47:19 GMT -5
I don't think Victorino got that lucky aside from being able to stay healthy enough to play 120 games
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 6, 2015 18:51:29 GMT -5
Victorino had a career 6.1 bWAR season and he did it in only 532 PA. He only had two previous seasons with a bWAR above 4.0. And he did it at age 32. His season was probably the biggest outlier of anyone on that team.
Breslow had been pretty good before 2013, and Drew had a pretty solid season after coming back from injury. Not sure I'd classify either of those as especially lucky signs.
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