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Post by larrycook on Nov 17, 2015 23:40:29 GMT -5
Exactly my thoughts as well. Really hoping for a good bounce back year for Hanley, and an easy transition into the DH spot for 2017. We just have to get thru this year with HanRam @ 1B......you never know, it is possible Ortiz gets hurt (he has missed some time over the past few years) & Hanley slides comfortably to DH. Then last 2 yrs as FT DH. Done. For the past two seasons, I have wondered what keeps ortiz's hamstrings and Achilles from snapping like twigs when he hits a ball, He looks so terrible "exploding" out of the batters box with all the speed and grace of a one legged cat. But God bless him, his bat speed is still there after over 8,000 at bats as a dh.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 18, 2015 9:39:18 GMT -5
We just have to get thru this year with HanRam @ 1B......you never know, it is possible Ortiz gets hurt (he has missed some time over the past few years) & Hanley slides comfortably to DH. Then last 2 yrs as FT DH. Done. For the past two seasons, I have wondered what keeps ortiz's hamstrings and Achilles from snapping like twigs when he hits a ball, He looks so terrible "exploding" out of the batters box with all the speed and grace of a one legged cat. But God bless him, his bat speed is still there after over 8,000 at bats as a dh. I know he says it's his last year, but what if he hits .280/30/100? Does he still hang 'em up?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 18, 2015 13:54:45 GMT -5
For the past two seasons, I have wondered what keeps ortiz's hamstrings and Achilles from snapping like twigs when he hits a ball, He looks so terrible "exploding" out of the batters box with all the speed and grace of a one legged cat. But God bless him, his bat speed is still there after over 8,000 at bats as a dh. I know he says it's his last year, but what if he hits .280/30/100? Does he still hang 'em up? Yes, Ortiz isn't going into 2016 expecting any less than those numbers you just spouted, so if he reaches them as he expects do, it's not going to make him think, gee I can still play - I'll stick around.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 23, 2015 14:39:55 GMT -5
Enrique Rojas reports Hanley is set to play winter ball in dominican to gear up for playing 1st base
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 23, 2015 15:24:29 GMT -5
Enrique Rojas reports Hanley is set to play winter ball in dominican to gear up for playing 1st base I guess humiliation is the only motivation to work harder for some people. Yay?
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 23, 2015 15:31:23 GMT -5
Enrique Rojas reports Hanley is set to play winter ball in dominican to gear up for playing 1st base I guess humiliation is the only motivation to work harder for some people. Yay? This is getting tiring. He's not a max effort guy, let it go. He did in the offseason put in the work to add 15-20 pounds of muscle. Impressive. No one complained about him before he jacked up his shoulder. Downplaying the shoulder injury is pretty nuts. Let's go **** all over the guy for doing exactly what we want him to do by putting in effort in the offseason. God we're a miserable bunch.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 23, 2015 15:47:38 GMT -5
I guess humiliation is the only motivation to work harder for some people. Yay? This is getting tiring. He's not a max effort guy, let it go. He did in the offseason put in the work to add 15-20 pounds of muscle. Impressive. No one complained about him before he jacked up his shoulder. Downplaying the shoulder injury is pretty nuts. Let's go **** all over the guy for doing exactly what we want him to do by putting in effort in the offseason. God we're a miserable bunch. He didn't work on defense in LF in the offseason. He barely worked on it in preseason. He barely worked on it during the season other than in games. The entire coaching staff was fed up with his lack of effort on working on defense. So he cares about working out great. But we're trying to win baseball games, not a bodybuilding competition. I don't know what the hell the Red Sox told him after he signed but it was either nothing or it was ignored.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 23, 2015 15:54:33 GMT -5
This is getting tiring. He's not a max effort guy, let it go. He did in the offseason put in the work to add 15-20 pounds of muscle. Impressive. No one complained about him before he jacked up his shoulder. Downplaying the shoulder injury is pretty nuts. Let's go **** all over the guy for doing exactly what we want him to do by putting in effort in the offseason. God we're a miserable bunch. He didn't work on defense in LF in the offseason. He barely worked on it in preseason. He barely worked on it during the season other than in games. The entire coaching staff was fed up with his lack of effort on working on defense. So he cares about working out great. But we're trying to win baseball games, not a bodybuilding competition. I don't know what the hell the Red Sox told him after he signed but it was either nothing or it was ignored. I never saw those reports about Sox coaching staff sounding off about Hanley. Would love to read those links. I also think the Sox handled it poorly if they didn't give him any offseason plans and what not.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 23, 2015 16:07:45 GMT -5
He didn't work on defense in LF in the offseason. He barely worked on it in preseason. He barely worked on it during the season other than in games. The entire coaching staff was fed up with his lack of effort on working on defense. So he cares about working out great. But we're trying to win baseball games, not a bodybuilding competition. I don't know what the hell the Red Sox told him after he signed but it was either nothing or it was ignored. I never saw those reports about Sox coaching staff sounding off about Hanley. Would love to read those links. I also think the Sox handled it poorly if they didn't give him any offseason plans and what not. There were some articles that came out when it was reported that he was done for good in the outfield.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Nov 23, 2015 19:34:55 GMT -5
I'm all for him playing in the Dominican League this winter. Hopefully he plays a little more first base and less DH than what is said, but either way....I'm glad. Maybe, just maybe we can still salvage this! It would certainly be our best outcome, if he could play first next season and be closer to the real offensive force he can be.
Trading him at this moment was never going to be easy and would definitely be at his lowest value. I like it. Now lets see how things go with him playing winter ball before we give up on him (even further). He definitely is not high on my list, but I'd prefer him to recoup some value anyway possible.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 24, 2015 9:23:56 GMT -5
I'm all for him playing in the Dominican League this winter. Hopefully he plays a little more first base and less DH than what is said, but either way....I'm glad. Maybe, just maybe we can still salvage this! It would certainly be our best outcome, if he could play first next season and be closer to the real offensive force he can be. Trading him at this moment was never going to be easy and would definitely be at his lowest value. I like it. Now lets see how things go with him playing winter ball before we give up on him (even further). He definitely is not high on my list, but I'd prefer him to recoup some value anyway possible. Just a few things that may not mean much....The stadium (Lacey Tigers) he'll be playing in has an all grass infield with only the bases having dirt cutouts & that his team is not close to his hometown, basically on the other side of the country. Although it would have been a stretch, I initially had some concern he may have possibly got caught up with some of his old home boys or bad apples.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 24, 2015 12:44:16 GMT -5
Joel Sherman @joelsherman1 7m7 minutes ago Dombrowski said “no plan in place for (Hanley) to play Winter Ball.” Said been discussed in past, but “presently this is only a rumor”
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Post by nomar on Nov 24, 2015 12:57:30 GMT -5
What a ride it's been
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Post by dirtywater on Nov 24, 2015 13:03:47 GMT -5
Joel Sherman @joelsherman1 7m7 minutes ago Dombrowski said “no plan in place for (Hanley) to play Winter Ball.” Said been discussed in past, but “presently this is only a rumor” Wait, wut? This is from the ESPNDeportes article so the translation isn't perfect but there are direct quotes from Hanley in it:
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 24, 2015 13:58:35 GMT -5
Joel Sherman @joelsherman1 7m7 minutes ago Dombrowski said “no plan in place for (Hanley) to play Winter Ball.” Said been discussed in past, but “presently this is only a rumor” Wait, wut? This is from the ESPNDeportes article so the translation isn't perfect but there are direct quotes from Hanley in it: Sounds like it just hasn't been finalized yet
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 25, 2015 13:58:55 GMT -5
John Farrell was on the Hot Stove Show also stating that is not finalized. In a way I hope he doesn't go to winter ball in order for him to heal his shoulder and back & get in shape. He may need the whole offseason to do this.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 28, 2015 20:12:26 GMT -5
1. Hanley Ramirez, 1B-DH, Red Sox — There’s now talk in the front office that Dave Dombrowski is trying to move Ramirez in a deal. The Mariners, Orioles, and Angels seem to be the targets, and all three make sense. There are huge hurdles to cross, however. One is money. With a little more than $68 million remaining on Ramirez’s deal, the Red Sox would need to eat at least half. The other hurdle is position. All three teams would have use for him as a DH. Mariners GM Jerry Dipoto, after evaluating the Sox organization, knows Ramirez’s weaknesses. Dan Duquette of the Orioles signed Ramirez originally with the Red Sox and has always loved his bat. Duquette also faces the possibility of losing Chris Davis. The Angels could use another bat. There is also a question as to whether Ramirez could play third base. If he lost the 20 pounds the Sox want him to, maybe. www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/11/29/red-sox-seen-favorites-land-free-agent-david-price/8zOlzgpkvW6PvCaHt62dKP/story.html
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 28, 2015 20:21:37 GMT -5
Hanley on the block
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Post by nomar on Nov 28, 2015 20:54:14 GMT -5
Do we want Chris Davis or maybe Freddie Freeman? The former is risky as a high K slugger who's about to be 30 and is much better at Camden, and the latter will not come cheap. Definitely curious, although I'm not going to put much stock in the globe or our ability to move Hanley.
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Post by cambos174 on Nov 28, 2015 21:10:48 GMT -5
I disagree that it would take eating half of the contract. I just don't think he is that big of an albatross.
Maybe eating 21 of the 68, but despite the warts, Hanley is not a 11.5/yr guy, at least by my account. Looking at some of the guys offered a QA, I think Hanley could have neutral value at 13-14 per.
I'm still of the opinion that the Sox could work something out to get Votto. Shorter and less money for the Reds and provide them with some major league talent in Joe Kelly or Miley and one of Johnson or Owens and maybe a guy like Holt. Might need to give up some other young talent like a Kopech. I think it makes a ton of sense for both organizations.
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Post by slam761 on Nov 28, 2015 21:37:49 GMT -5
Do we want Chris Davis or maybe Freddie Freeman? The former is risky as a high K slugger who's about to be 30 and is much better at Camden, and the latter will not come cheap. Definitely curious, although I'm not going to put much stock in the globe or our ability to move Hanley. I would stay the hell away from Davis. His power would be great to have, but I'd be way too worried that he might turn into a left-handed Mark Reynolds at any time. I'd still love to have Votto but I'm not sure taking on his contract would be worth it.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 28, 2015 22:14:09 GMT -5
Not surprising. Shopping Hanley falls under the umbrella of due diligence, low percentage plays DD is exploring, just like the previous reports from Cafardo that Sox were eyeing Chris Sale and Sonny Gray.
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Post by nomar on Nov 28, 2015 22:14:59 GMT -5
I don't think Votto's contract will be that detrimental in his last few years as it may seem today. By that time, 20M AAVs will be very common. I'd love him here but his trade value is kind of a mystery to me.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 28, 2015 23:25:43 GMT -5
I don't think Votto's contract will be that detrimental in his last few years as it may seem today. By that time, 20M AAVs will be very common. I'd love him here but his trade value is kind of a mystery to me. I think it's largely a mystery to everyone. After Chapman is gone, he's largely the only guy selling jerseys and putting people into seats. Reds would want HUGE return and also would want to dump his contract, so gauging his trade value is pretty tough. You need a team deep in talent that's also willing to take on huge payroll, and I guess the Sox could be that team, but I also don't think the Reds have much reason to trade him.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 30, 2015 11:31:22 GMT -5
Count me among those who would love to see Freeman on this club but are now terrified at what Dombrowski would be willing to part with in order to make that deal happen.
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