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Post by Jonathan Singer on Aug 31, 2015 6:23:20 GMT -5
8/31 Red Sox (LHP Eduardo Rodriguez 7-5 4.39) vs. Yankees (RHP Ivan Nova 5-6 4.50) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/ESPN/WEEI9/1 Red Sox (RHP Rick Porcello 6-11 5.47) vs. Yankees (RHP Michael Pineda 9-8 4.19) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/MLBN/WEEI9/2 Red Sox (LHP Henry Owens 2-1 4.50) vs. Yankees (RHP Masahiro Tanaka 10-6 3.62) 4:05 pm ET, NESN/MLBN/WEEIMLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsWeatherSeries Thread Disclaimer: The SoxProspects Moderators will be somewhat liberal in policing the Red Sox "Series" Threads. Some of the Ground Rules are applied loosely in here, as we understand that there is a tendency to want to react (or overreact) to every play of a Sox game with one line reactionary posts. Those posts are okay in the Red Sox Series threads to a point - we certainly appreciate the passion. Just try not to overdo it, and try to maintain some semblance of reason. In addition, please don't let those type of posts spill over to other more substantive threads, where they may be deleted. -The Management
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 31, 2015 7:01:01 GMT -5
Draft pick be damned. Sweep em!
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 31, 2015 7:12:16 GMT -5
Sox played great against the Mets. Even yesterday was a fun game to watch.
3 more games like that against the Yanks will be fine with me, win or lose.
My remote is enjoying the rest. Much less flipping looking for good baseball these days.
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Post by wskeleton76 on Aug 31, 2015 9:11:10 GMT -5
Kill Yankees and lose to other teams.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Aug 31, 2015 9:35:32 GMT -5
I've given up hope on a protected pick (and, outside of maybe Zimmermann, don't care much about QO players anyway), so, go Sox! Beating the Yankees would be just fine with me.
I actually want the Sox to pass the Rays and the Orioles. Third place is just a better place to be ... screw the 5-6 slots in the draft, getting this team and these kids used to some winning ways is the most important thing now.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 31, 2015 12:11:56 GMT -5
Kill Yankees and lose to other teams. Kill Yankees.....no doubt. Still want the team to win all games, though. I just like the sound of Kill Yankees.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 31, 2015 12:15:12 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 31, 2015 12:39:04 GMT -5
Can't he refuse to be outrighted, though? Thus putting the Red Sox back on the hook for his contract?
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 31, 2015 12:46:09 GMT -5
Can't he refuse to be outrighted, though? Thus putting the Red Sox back on the hook for his contract? Not until he has 5 years of service I think.
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Post by Smittyw on Aug 31, 2015 12:56:31 GMT -5
I can't wait to complain every time Craig plays over...well, pretty much anybody else.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 31, 2015 13:40:14 GMT -5
I can't wait to complain every time Craig plays over...well, pretty much anybody else. No kidding. It'll take a season that has become fun to watch and make it not fun.
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Post by jmei on Aug 31, 2015 13:42:54 GMT -5
Can't he refuse to be outrighted, though? Thus putting the Red Sox back on the hook for his contract? Not until he has 5 years of service I think. I don't think this is right. My recollection is that each player can only be outrighted once and can refuse subsequent outrights. The twist is that I think if Craig elects free agency, he forfeits his salary.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 31, 2015 13:46:30 GMT -5
Not until he has 5 years of service I think. I don't think this is right. My recollection is that each player can only be outrighted once and can refuse subsequent outrights. The twist is that I think if Craig elects free agency, he forfeits his salary. Then there is no way in hell he should be called up. I wasn't aware of the DFA only once without right of refusal rule. He wasn't allowed to refuse the first time he was DFA'd because of service time.
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 31, 2015 14:16:21 GMT -5
I asked about the implications on bringing up Craig a few weeks back in another thread, and was ignored. My guess is folks here don't know the implications.
But yes ,I will complain over any ab's he takes from others, regardless.
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 31, 2015 14:25:32 GMT -5
Not until he has 5 years of service I think. I don't think this is right. My recollection is that each player can only be outrighted once and can refuse subsequent outrights. The twist is that I think if Craig elects free agency, he forfeits his salary. This is not accurate either. Here is a summary of the relevant rule: In other words, AC would have three alternatives if outrighted: 1. Become a free agent immediately, terminating his contract. 2. Accept the outright assignment, defer his option to elect free agency and become a free agent after the regular season ends but before October 15 (in which case AC gets paid until he elects to be a free agent). 3. Accept the outright assignment, defer his option to elect free agency and not become a free agent (in which case it is status quo). AC had 4.077 seasons of major league service coming into this year and accrued approx. 42 additional days this year prior to his outright assignment. Therefore, the Red Sox could add him to the 40-man and outright him at any time until he accrues his fifth complete year of major league service, which will not occur until next season, at the earliest. There is a luxury tax component to doing so, as well as taking up a 40-man roster spot.
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 31, 2015 14:58:49 GMT -5
Thank you amfox. I have no problem admitting I needed the update to your post to get it.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 31, 2015 15:14:01 GMT -5
I don't think this is right. My recollection is that each player can only be outrighted once and can refuse subsequent outrights. The twist is that I think if Craig elects free agency, he forfeits his salary. Then there is no way in hell he should be called up. I wasn't aware of the DFA only once without right of refusal rule. He wasn't allowed to refuse the first time he was DFA'd because of service time. Why? Isn't his contract terminating a REALLY good thing? They've got $20M due over the next two years, plus a $1M buyout, for a guy who hasn't hit in AAA this year.
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Post by jrffam05 on Aug 31, 2015 15:21:41 GMT -5
Thanks Amfox for breaking this out. May I ask what does 5 years service time have to do with it? It's at that point he can be refused to be outrighted, and if so at that point what does his refusal mean? I'm guessing they can't move him off 40 man and if they want to get rid of him, they have to release him and pay his salary, or settle.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 31, 2015 15:28:28 GMT -5
BETTS SANDOVAL XANDER ORTIZ SHAW CASTILLO HOLT HANIGAN BRADLEY
no de aza
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 31, 2015 15:30:50 GMT -5
Then there is no way in hell he should be called up. I wasn't aware of the DFA only once without right of refusal rule. He wasn't allowed to refuse the first time he was DFA'd because of service time. Why? Isn't his contract terminating a REALLY good thing? They've got $20M due over the next two years, plus a $1M buyout, for a guy who hasn't hit in AAA this year. My response was to jmei who thought that he could refuse the DFA and have his salary count against the tax. That would be the case if he had 5 years of service.
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 31, 2015 15:39:59 GMT -5
BETTS SANDOVAL XANDER ORTIZ SHAW CASTILLO HOLT HANIGAN BRADLEY no de aza No Hanley either. Counting on Hanley and Clay next year is like betting on an inside straight. Could happen, but best to fold. Took a quick look at the numbers. If Hanley plays 24 more games he'll be at 129. One more than last year and his best year since 2010. As with Clay, I'll take the under. Fire, shoot, aim.
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Post by jrffam05 on Aug 31, 2015 15:46:21 GMT -5
My cable company won't carry NESN, includes YES, and is in a Red Sox black out area. Ironic that the nationally broadcasted games are games I would be able to watch normally.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 31, 2015 16:00:26 GMT -5
I hate these guys. The best thought I can muster about them is: "It would be awesome if they slipped out of the playoff race on the last day of the season."
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 31, 2015 16:15:12 GMT -5
I hate these guys. The best thought I can muster about them is: "It would be awesome if they slipped out of the playoff race on the last day of the season." Very gracious! Guess Teixeira is hurt again. We do get the benefit of the Rod though.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 31, 2015 17:36:12 GMT -5
The Craig stuff is interesting, but let's get down to brass tacks. The Yankees are the most deplorable, disgusting, defunct, diabolic, disgraceful, disreputive, dogmatic, detestable, discordant, douchbaggery entity I have ever known. Beat these punks.
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