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9/7-9/9 Red Sox vs. Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by m1keyboots on Sept 8, 2015 4:18:03 GMT -5
Im up for work, has JBJ doubled yet?
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Post by thursty on Sept 8, 2015 5:13:57 GMT -5
Haha love this. Maybe I should do the same considering I've googled "Bradley Fangraphs" after every one of his AB's Watching the replay of JBJ's home run swing, I was actually reminded of Adrian Gonzalez. Who was the one guy in a Sox uni who made me want to call my late Dad (passed in '04, the day before the playoffs started) and have the "that's a beautiful swing discussion" we used to have. Here's a thought experiment. After JBJ hit .315 / .430 / .482 in A+ and AA in 2012, and was variously ranked the #31 (BA), #33 (MLB.com), and #27 (BP) prospect in baseball, you did something stupid celebrating Bobby Valentine's firing ... and ended up in a coma. You awoke from that coma on August 9th of this year. The doctors consider your mental state to be fragile, so you can't read newspapers or listen to the radio, or watch TV with the sound on. Just the pictures is all they allow you. You wouldn't question what you were seeing from JBJ a bit. You'd say, hey, doubles power has turned to home run power, just like we hoped! The thing you'd question is the story of what had happened to him while you were comatose. You'd suspect it was a test to see if the coma had caused brain damage making you overly gullible. BTW, he is now up to .446 / .489 / .952 in his last 90 PA (25 G, 23 GS). The FG page has a link to the article they did on JBJ after his insane first week. There were a bunch of comments derisively dismissing that. Three days ago I gleefully pointed out that he had hit .364 / .429 / .750 in 49 PA since they article appeard. Since that comment, he's 7/12, 2 2B, 3B, HR. But you can't do that, it's just a variant of cherry-picking numbers. The 450 or so PA of crystalline suckiness in 2014 cannot be ignored; they're, as of now, a larger part of the story than his amazing last 120 PAs or so (and a 42K/17BB and .387 BABIP are worries). The relevant question is, if you were Dombrowski, can you be convinced that JBJ is a first-division starter (convinced in the way that Mookie is)? I can't answer that affirmatively yet
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 8, 2015 6:30:18 GMT -5
Watching the replay of JBJ's home run swing, I was actually reminded of Adrian Gonzalez. Who was the one guy in a Sox uni who made me want to call my late Dad (passed in '04, the day before the playoffs started) and have the "that's a beautiful swing discussion" we used to have. Here's a thought experiment. After JBJ hit .315 / .430 / .482 in A+ and AA in 2012, and was variously ranked the #31 (BA), #33 (MLB.com), and #27 (BP) prospect in baseball, you did something stupid celebrating Bobby Valentine's firing ... and ended up in a coma. You awoke from that coma on August 9th of this year. The doctors consider your mental state to be fragile, so you can't read newspapers or listen to the radio, or watch TV with the sound on. Just the pictures is all they allow you. You wouldn't question what you were seeing from JBJ a bit. You'd say, hey, doubles power has turned to home run power, just like we hoped! The thing you'd question is the story of what had happened to him while you were comatose. You'd suspect it was a test to see if the coma had caused brain damage making you overly gullible. BTW, he is now up to .446 / .489 / .952 in his last 90 PA (25 G, 23 GS). The FG page has a link to the article they did on JBJ after his insane first week. There were a bunch of comments derisively dismissing that. Three days ago I gleefully pointed out that he had hit .364 / .429 / .750 in 49 PA since they article appeard. Since that comment, he's 7/12, 2 2B, 3B, HR. But you can't do that, it's just a variant of cherry-picking numbers. The 450 or so PA of crystalline suckiness in 2014 cannot be ignored; they're, as of now, a larger part of the story than his amazing last 120 PAs or so (and a 42K/17BB and .387 BABIP are worries). The relevant question is, if you were Dombrowski, can you be convinced that JBJ is a first-division starter (convinced in the way that Mookie is)? I can't answer that affirmatively yet The 450 PAs of suckiness can't be ignored, but they can be put into a different context because he's objectively not the same hitter that he was. I was one of the bigger JBJ skeptics around here when he was first up (so I actually wouldn't question his bad performance in my Eric-induced coma), but that's because his swing had some big problems. I hated it as much as I've hated any swing of a player in the Sox system outside of Jason Place (man, *that* guy had a horrific swing). But he completely revamped it, as has been extensively demonstrated. Sometimes stats change for a reason rather than random variation around a mean. When the reason is so obvious as JBJ's swing, proper analysis of those stats will put disproportionate weight on stats after the change. I have to say, his home run yesterday may have been the hit that impressed me the most in this whole run. That was an absolutely shot to the opposite field; it was no Fenway cheapie.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 8, 2015 6:31:47 GMT -5
Watching the replay of JBJ's home run swing, I was actually reminded of Adrian Gonzalez. Who was the one guy in a Sox uni who made me want to call my late Dad (passed in '04, the day before the playoffs started) and have the "that's a beautiful swing discussion" we used to have. Here's a thought experiment. After JBJ hit .315 / .430 / .482 in A+ and AA in 2012, and was variously ranked the #31 (BA), #33 (MLB.com), and #27 (BP) prospect in baseball, you did something stupid celebrating Bobby Valentine's firing ... and ended up in a coma. You awoke from that coma on August 9th of this year. The doctors consider your mental state to be fragile, so you can't read newspapers or listen to the radio, or watch TV with the sound on. Just the pictures is all they allow you. You wouldn't question what you were seeing from JBJ a bit. You'd say, hey, doubles power has turned to home run power, just like we hoped! The thing you'd question is the story of what had happened to him while you were comatose. You'd suspect it was a test to see if the coma had caused brain damage making you overly gullible. BTW, he is now up to .446 / .489 / .952 in his last 90 PA (25 G, 23 GS). The FG page has a link to the article they did on JBJ after his insane first week. There were a bunch of comments derisively dismissing that. Three days ago I gleefully pointed out that he had hit .364 / .429 / .750 in 49 PA since they article appeard. Since that comment, he's 7/12, 2 2B, 3B, HR. But you can't do that, it's just a variant of cherry-picking numbers. The 450 or so PA of crystalline suckiness in 2014 cannot be ignored; they're, as of now, a larger part of the story than his amazing last 120 PAs or so (and a 42K/17BB and .387 BABIP are worries). The relevant question is, if you were Dombrowski, can you be convinced that JBJ is a first-division starter (convinced in the way that Mookie is)? I can't answer that affirmatively yet There is no planet where you can chalk this 2 month run to SSS, especially if you've watched him hit. There is no amount of luck that can change him from what he did last year into what he's done this year. Some of the BABIP is luck, but the power isn't. And there is so much room from playing like the best player in the majors to one where he's hitting like a league average player which still makes him a starter on just about any team. Not only is his swing so much cleaner this year, but it was also stated on a recent broadcast that he put on 15 pounds of muscle which all went to his legs since last year. There is no cherry picking here. This is a different player. Would be nice if the k-rate is lower, but with the power he's showing, that doesn't matter at all. I'm convinced that he could be better than Mookie.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 8, 2015 6:57:37 GMT -5
Haha ... I like Lovullo. "I went them deciding things for themselves, as long as they decide that bunting is a stupid freaking idea."
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Post by steveofbradenton on Sept 8, 2015 7:29:09 GMT -5
Haha ... I like Lovullo. "I went them deciding things for themselves, as long as they decide that bunting is a stupid freaking idea." I like Lovullo also. I like his philosophy early...... blow them up!
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Post by awall on Sept 8, 2015 7:31:12 GMT -5
1st and 2nd with nobody out, Panda up and bunting with Xander on deck? Yep, do it every time, Panda. Every time.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 8, 2015 7:36:02 GMT -5
1st and 2nd with nobody out, Panda up and bunting with Xander on deck? Yep, do it every time, Panda. Every time. If that's the case, then he has no business batting 2nd.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Sept 8, 2015 7:45:22 GMT -5
1st and 2nd with nobody out, Panda up and bunting with Xander on deck? Yep, do it every time, Panda. Every time. If that's the case, then he has no business batting 2nd. Hopefully, Pedey is back tonight and batting second.
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Post by awall on Sept 8, 2015 8:03:14 GMT -5
1st and 2nd with nobody out, Panda up and bunting with Xander on deck? Yep, do it every time, Panda. Every time. If that's the case, then he has no business batting 2nd. no argument here.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 8, 2015 9:36:08 GMT -5
this is old news now, but FYI:
Rich Hill has made it back to the major leagues. The lefthander will be among the players added to the Red Sox roster on Tuesday Hill, a 35-year-old Boston native With 25 games remaining, the Red Sox are planning to use a six-man rotation for part of that time The Red Sox also recalled righthanded reliever Jonathan Aro
Righthander Matt Barnes will be at Fenway Park on Tuesday for a medical check and is likely to be added to the roster.
Dustin Pedroia is ready to come off the disabled list and join the Red Sox lineup on Tuesday. Now it’s up to the medical staff. The final hurdle will be an examination by team doctors on Tuesday afternoon.
www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/09/07/rich-hill-among-additions-red-sox-roster/xuGnmVTORUC4v9Hk0TVR0N/story.html
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Post by okin15 on Sept 8, 2015 9:39:08 GMT -5
I hope Lovullo gets the full-time manager gig. Can Farrell be the bench and pitching coaches?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 8, 2015 10:37:33 GMT -5
As I tweeted, Edwin Escobar and Garin Cecchini are the only healthy members of the 40-man who were not called up to the bigs.
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Post by youngbillrussell on Sept 8, 2015 10:49:22 GMT -5
I hope Lovullo gets the full-time manager gig. Can Farrell be the bench and pitching coaches? I have been pondering this a thought as well. With the way the team has been playing under Lovullo you almost have to give him a shot next year.
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Post by gerry on Sept 8, 2015 10:51:14 GMT -5
I know they have their reasons, and Garin has had a rough year, but a stretched out, healthy young Escobar? I wonder why.
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Post by Gwell55 on Sept 8, 2015 10:51:29 GMT -5
I hope Lovullo gets the full-time manager gig. Can Farrell be the bench and pitching coaches? Or this, they do need a GM in training... if he has those aspirations then maybe we could move him up n out??? Since they have such confidence in him and are going to keep him I think he has graduated after '13 so maybe Dave can promote him all the way out of the dugout.
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Post by wskeleton76 on Sept 8, 2015 11:02:23 GMT -5
JF may be better in front office than on the field.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 8, 2015 11:07:09 GMT -5
JF may be better in front office than on the field. I don't really understand why people would think this. Because he'd trade for good bunters? Because he'd call up Allen Craig and send Shaw down?
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Post by mgoetze on Sept 8, 2015 11:15:04 GMT -5
With 25 games remaining, the Red Sox are planning to use a six-man rotation for part of that time Still waiting for news on Steven Wright.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 8, 2015 11:28:29 GMT -5
With 25 games remaining, the Red Sox are planning to use a six-man rotation for part of that time Still waiting for news on Steven Wright. He's dealing with a concussion still. Think I saw they updated this weekend with one of those "the news is there's no news" type things.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Sept 8, 2015 11:45:15 GMT -5
JF may be better in front office than on the field. I don't really understand why people would think this. Because he'd trade for good bunters? Because he'd call up Allen Craig and send Shaw down? When he joined the Red Sox to act as pitching coach under Tito he was Cleveland's director of player development, and IIRC, he said that Francona was the only guy who could get him on a bench again. He's got a history and (used to, at least) have a preference for front office work.
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Post by danr on Sept 8, 2015 12:00:54 GMT -5
It is sort of hard to believe but the Washington Nationals are further behind in the National League Wild Card race than the Red Sox are in the American League.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 8, 2015 14:00:27 GMT -5
I know they have their reasons, and Garin has had a rough year, but a stretched out, healthy young Escobar? I wonder why. This was my question, too. Escobar's out of options after this year, iirc, so it seems like they'd want to get a look at him in the bullpen. I can't see how he's in their plans going forward if they aren't even looking at him this month, but maybe I'm making too much of it.
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Post by jmei on Sept 8, 2015 14:16:04 GMT -5
Escobar did miss the first half of the season with elbow inflammation-- they could be trying to manage that injury (or manage his innings in light of that injury). But yeah, I agree that otherwise it is suspicious.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 8, 2015 14:18:17 GMT -5
This is pretty amusing or at least interesting.
Allen Craig over the last year+ with Red Sox - 174 PA -1.5 fWAR. JBJ this year - 161 PA, +2.4 fWAR. That's a difference of +3.9 fWAR in about 1/4 season worth of games which is probably the best improvement imaginable.
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