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Red Sox front office personnel moves
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Post by amfox1 on Sept 9, 2015 15:07:33 GMT -5
Alex Speier @alexspeier 10m10 minutes ago Jared Porter, formerly the Red Sox director of pro scouting, has officially joined the Cubs.
Alex Speier @alexspeier 7m7 minutes ago Gus Quattlebaum is the new Sox director of pro scouting.
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Alex Speier @alexspeier 4m4 minutes ago Sox name Brian Bannister director of pitching analysis and development and Chris Mears pitching crosschecker. New roles in the org.
Brian MacPherson @brianmacp 5m5 minutes ago Red Sox have promoted Brian Bannister from pro scout to Director of Pitching Analysis and Development.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Sept 9, 2015 15:11:42 GMT -5
Dammit Theo, keep your grubby mitts off of that scouting department.
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Post by amfox1 on Sept 9, 2015 15:11:29 GMT -5
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Post by burythehammer on Sept 9, 2015 15:20:51 GMT -5
Glad to see them promoting from within and it's looking more and more like I was wrong about the cleaning house thing.
That said, for the people who want to blame our issues on pro scouting, I assume you're going to be critical of them just moving up Porter's number 2 man.
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Post by radiohix on Sept 9, 2015 15:54:41 GMT -5
Love the Bannister move! IIRC, he's the one who introduced Greinke to FIP
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 9, 2015 16:31:54 GMT -5
Glad to see them promoting from within and it's looking more and more like I was wrong about the cleaning house thing. That said, for the people who want to blame our issues on pro scouting, I assume you're going to be critical of them just moving up Porter's number 2 man. I don't know that saying that the Sox have had issues with pro scouting over the last couple of years is all that controversial. At least the results haven't been there (with the significant exception of Eduardo Rodriguez). But I have no idea what to do about it or who, if anyone specific, is "to blame." In general, though, I'm always in favor of promoting from within, and I like the fact that they created new positions to deal with pitching analysis and development. Clearly addressing a need ... I have no idea if it'll work or not, but it's good to see Dombrowski focusing in the right places.
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 9, 2015 17:14:36 GMT -5
Did n't they have an agreement three years and now the three years are up regarding Theo hiring Sox FO types. I think Theo wanted Kennedy before but he got a good promotion with the Sox. I wondering who the G.M. is gonna be I hope it's Hazen because I think he deserves it. I like different schools of thought on drafting and there approach.
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Post by artfuldodger on Sept 9, 2015 19:31:56 GMT -5
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 9, 2015 20:14:04 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 9, 2015 21:21:19 GMT -5
“@scottlauber: Dombrowski’s description of Bannister’s new role: ”Developing players through an analytic approach - and also a pitching philosophy“ #RedSox”
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Post by slam761 on Sept 9, 2015 21:44:14 GMT -5
I've always really liked Bannister. I saw an interview shortly after he retired where he admitted that his stuff was terrible, and he only lasted as long as he did by constantly outwitting hitters and using all the stats he had on them to throw whatever they would least expect. He seems like someone who could be a huge help to young pitchers, especially the ones who rely more on control than stuff.
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Post by jimoh on Sept 10, 2015 4:47:01 GMT -5
Joe Pos in 2010 on Bannister as a pitcher and a thinker joeposnanski.com/banny-log-once-more/There has always seemed to me something literary about Banny’s quest, some huge overriding theme — man trying to overcome his own limitations, man reaching for something beyond his grasp, you know, that sort of thing. It’s like Moby Dick with a seventh-inning stretch. I appreciate that not everybody feels this way. There were those, for instance, who thought the Banny Log was (in the memorable words of one emailer) “a lot of words written about a kinda crappy pitcher.” But I never saw it that way. Well, yeah, it was often a lot of words. But Banny’s quest was, and is, endlessly fascinating to me. He tinkers and analyzes and studies and plots and creates and destroys and invents and experiments — a mad scientist in the lab — all because he desperately wants to pitch in the big leagues. It’s impossible for me to watch him pitch without thinking that he is what I would be if I had any baseball talent at all. ... The biggest knock inside baseball circles on Banny — other than the obvious knock that he doesn’t have a dominant pitch — has been his tinkering. There are quite a few players out there who understand and consider the advanced stats, but nobody did it as publicly or as intensely as Brian. He took a lot of bleep for it. Banny has a mathematical mind. He just thinks that way. So when he had a very good rookie season in 2007 — 12-9, 3.87 ERA, third in the rookie of the year voting — he came to believe that he had simply been dealt aces all year long. He believed he had been lucky ... In addition to everything else, Brian is the son of Floyd Bannister who in many ways as a pitcher was everything his son is not. Floyd was left-handed and ludicrously gifted. He was the first pick in the draft. He led the league in strikeouts in 1987, and led the league in strikeouts per nine innings two other seasons. He threw absurdly hard and won 134 big league games over a 2,388-inning career.... ... Brian has wide interests — he loves photography, movie-making, statistics, he has the makings of being a fabulous television color commentator.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 10, 2015 10:46:49 GMT -5
This is definitely a good counterpoint to concerns that Dombrowski won't employ analytics in his decision-making processes.
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 10, 2015 11:12:09 GMT -5
This is definitely a good counterpoint to concerns that Dombrowski won't employ analytics in his decision-making processes. You beat me to it. I was thinking the same thing and going to post as much.
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Post by Smittyw on Sept 10, 2015 11:19:47 GMT -5
Yes, and the fact that he created a position to bring Bannister on board also makes it more difficult to believe he'd turn around and go Stone Age with the GM hire. Still holding out hope for Hazen or DiPoto, personally.
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Post by stevedillard on Sept 10, 2015 11:25:06 GMT -5
Mobile phone post, so please excuse lack of research. Mets traded Kazmit due to mechanics and I thought it wS Bannister who was behind that. Same guy?
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Post by threeifbaerga on Sept 10, 2015 11:37:43 GMT -5
Mobile phone post, so please excuse lack of research. Mets traded Kazmit due to mechanics and I thought it wS Bannister who was behind that. Same guy? Behind it in what way? Bannister was drafted in 03 and Kazmir traded in 04.
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Post by stevedillard on Sept 10, 2015 12:23:11 GMT -5
Found it. It was Rick Peterson.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 10, 2015 13:44:43 GMT -5
This is definitely a good tremendous counterpoint to concerns that Dombrowski won't employ analytics in his decision-making processes. FIFY. When they hired DDo and folks worried that we would move away from analytics, I posted a scenario which I was conflicted about: I wasn't sure whether I was being smart of just engaging in wistful thinking. And the scenario was that Henry hired DDo because he knew that DDo was an open-minded guy, and that the whole idea of the hiring was for DDo to embrace analytics as the one tool he hadn't really taken advantage of. Guys as smart as DDo, with that kind of track record of success, are often often-minded. People who do their jobs really well are very often the type of people who are always looking to do their job even better. It's not always the case, of course, but it's very common. It was the only way I could reconcile our knowledge of Henry's devotion to analytics with the hiring. If anything, my sense (which I've argued here a lot) that Cherington and Farrell hadn't used them enough, or well enough, and that LL, who was departing, had been an impediment to their full embrace, had made me think that we would see a movement towards more analytics. So I see this as the best possible news. I think, for instance, that it indicates that they are almost certainly going to continue with the tools for assessing amateur talent (personality profiling, neuroscouting) that have been so successful. Next we'll see Hazen or DiPoto (or a minority candidate with similar chops) named as the new GM.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 10, 2015 14:11:01 GMT -5
Also, "Gus Quattlebaum" for top 5 coolest name ever?
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Post by okin15 on Sept 10, 2015 15:05:07 GMT -5
Also, "Gus Quattlebaum" for top 5 coolest name ever? It's quite likely that Gus Quattlebaum is the Undersecretary of the Use of Magic on Muggles in Rowling's "Potter'verse"
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 10, 2015 15:39:31 GMT -5
This is definitely a good tremendous counterpoint to concerns that Dombrowski won't employ analytics in his decision-making processes. FIFY. When they hired DDo and folks worried that we would move away from analytics, I posted a scenario which I was conflicted about: I wasn't sure whether I was being smart of just engaging in wistful thinking. And the scenario was that Henry hired DDo because he knew that DDo was an open-minded guy, and that the whole idea of the hiring was for DDo to embrace analytics as the one tool he hadn't really taken advantage of. Guys as smart as DDo, with that kind of track record of success, are often often-minded. People who do their jobs really well are very often the type of people who are always looking to do their job even better. It's not always the case, of course, but it's very common. It was the only way I could reconcile our knowledge of Henry's devotion to analytics with the hiring. If anything, my sense (which I've argued here a lot) that Cherington and Farrell hadn't used them enough, or well enough, and that LL, who was departing, had been an impediment to their full embrace, had made me think that we would see a movement towards more analytics. So I see this as the best possible news. I think, for instance, that it indicates that they are almost certainly going to continue with the tools for assessing amateur talent (personality profiling, neuroscouting) that have been so successful. Next we'll see Hazen or DiPoto (or a minority candidate with similar chops) named as the new GM. Yeah, that's an interesting point ... essentially, we're trading Lucchino for Dombrowski and Cherington for GM-to-be-named later. If that GM is a Hazen or DiPoto type, that's clearly an upgrade in overall commitment to analytics. But, as I said at the time of Dombrowski's hiring, I was never particularly worried about this. Henry knew Dombrowski well, so I was pretty sure he was always comfortable with DDo's ability to synthesize analytics into the mix. Dombrowski may even come at it with fresh perspective ... the creation of a pitching analytics position to take advantage of the wealth of data we have now on pitching leans in that direction.
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Post by soxfan1615 on Sept 10, 2015 16:46:34 GMT -5
FIFY. When they hired DDo and folks worried that we would move away from analytics, I posted a scenario which I was conflicted about: I wasn't sure whether I was being smart of just engaging in wistful thinking. And the scenario was that Henry hired DDo because he knew that DDo was an open-minded guy, and that the whole idea of the hiring was for DDo to embrace analytics as the one tool he hadn't really taken advantage of. Guys as smart as DDo, with that kind of track record of success, are often often-minded. People who do their jobs really well are very often the type of people who are always looking to do their job even better. It's not always the case, of course, but it's very common. It was the only way I could reconcile our knowledge of Henry's devotion to analytics with the hiring. If anything, my sense (which I've argued here a lot) that Cherington and Farrell hadn't used them enough, or well enough, and that LL, who was departing, had been an impediment to their full embrace, had made me think that we would see a movement towards more analytics. So I see this as the best possible news. I think, for instance, that it indicates that they are almost certainly going to continue with the tools for assessing amateur talent (personality profiling, neuroscouting) that have been so successful. Next we'll see Hazen or DiPoto (or a minority candidate with similar chops) named as the new GM. Yeah, that's an interesting point ... essentially, we're trading Lucchino for Dombrowski and Cherington for GM-to-be-named later. If that GM is a Hazen or DiPoto type, that's clearly an upgrade in overall commitment to analytics. But, as I said at the time of Dombrowski's hiring, I was never particularly worried about this. Henry knew Dombrowski well, so I was pretty sure he was always comfortable with DDo's ability to synthesize analytics into the mix. Dombrowski may even come at it with fresh perspective ... the creation of a pitching analytics position to take advantage of the wealth of data we have now on pitching leans in that direction. Incorrect. While Luchhino had final say on all decisions, my sense is he wasn't working day to day operations or evaluating draft prospects, or doing most of the stuff a GM does. Dombrowski is essentially a GM with a bigger job title while the new GM will probably have a similar role to Mike Hazen's old role. The only difference will be the guy in charge of day to day operations won't have Lucchino looking over him because of his "retirement"
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 10, 2015 19:04:50 GMT -5
Yeah, that's an interesting point ... essentially, we're trading Lucchino for Dombrowski and Cherington for GM-to-be-named later. If that GM is a Hazen or DiPoto type, that's clearly an upgrade in overall commitment to analytics. But, as I said at the time of Dombrowski's hiring, I was never particularly worried about this. Henry knew Dombrowski well, so I was pretty sure he was always comfortable with DDo's ability to synthesize analytics into the mix. Dombrowski may even come at it with fresh perspective ... the creation of a pitching analytics position to take advantage of the wealth of data we have now on pitching leans in that direction. Incorrect. While Luchhino had final say on all decisions, my sense is he wasn't working day to day operations or evaluating draft prospects, or doing most of the stuff a GM does. Dombrowski is essentially a GM with a bigger job title while the new GM will probably have a similar role to Mike Hazen's old role. The only difference will be the guy in charge of day to day operations won't have Lucchino looking over him because of his "retirement" You are taking what I said far too literally and correcting an assertion I never made. It's just that the deletion of Lucchino from the mix may very well leave a more analytical baseball ops leadership team than before.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 11, 2015 2:13:39 GMT -5
Yeah, that's an interesting point ... essentially, we're trading Lucchino for Dombrowski and Cherington for GM-to-be-named later. If that GM is a Hazen or DiPoto type, that's clearly an upgrade in overall commitment to analytics. But, as I said at the time of Dombrowski's hiring, I was never particularly worried about this. Henry knew Dombrowski well, so I was pretty sure he was always comfortable with DDo's ability to synthesize analytics into the mix. Dombrowski may even come at it with fresh perspective ... the creation of a pitching analytics position to take advantage of the wealth of data we have now on pitching leans in that direction. Incorrect. While Luchhino had final say on all decisions, my sense is he wasn't working day to day operations or evaluating draft prospects, or doing most of the stuff a GM does. Dombrowski is essentially a GM with a bigger job title while the new GM will probably have a similar role to Mike Hazen's old role. The only difference will be the guy in charge of day to day operations won't have Lucchino looking over him because of his "retirement" No, he wasn't working day-to-day, but LL had final say over the size and experience of the analytics department. And after 2008, he ordered baseball ops to lay off all their analytic consultants, over their protest. I think that counts as an impediment. Bannister is the first analytics guy with any kind of reputation that they've hired since. I know they supposedly have a large department now, but I suspect it's all the equivalent of interns and ex-interns.
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