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Ryan Kalish's role in 2013
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2012 21:51:16 GMT -5
For a long time now, I have been pondering over what Kalish will amount to. He still is very talented and I think that he will be a very productive player if he is healthy and given playing time. But injuries continue to slow him down and he has been at a stand-still for almost two years. I am a huge Kalish fan and I hope that they hang on to him and give him a chance.
With the signing of Victorino, what will Kalish's role be in 2013?
-Will he be in a platoon with either Gomes or Victorino? (Both struggle against RH pitching, and Kalish is a lefty who hits RHP well)
-Is he a back-up/4th or 5th outfielder? -Is he a major-league starter?
-Does he begin the year in Pawtucket?
-Will he even remain with the Red Sox Organization?
(Edited for various spelling errors in the name of the thread and post. - CH)
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Post by elguapo on Dec 6, 2012 21:52:03 GMT -5
I'm not sure it matters whether it's at Pawtucket or in the Majors -- he just needs to play regularly. With the way the roster is today, that means Pawtucket.
When prospects move into the injury hiatus category I suspend belief in their future until they come back healthy, but I'll be ready to jump on board when it happens.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 6, 2012 21:59:22 GMT -5
He needs to go to Triple-A and prove that he can stay healthy and be productive when he is so. After two years of injury, they can't count on him for anything yet.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2012 22:02:48 GMT -5
That makes sense. He needs to prove that he can stay healthy and productive. I'd just hate to hold him back too long. It is never great to hold back a player in Triple-A too long. Who knows- Kalish may someday be a very good player; it just may take time.
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Post by patrmac04 on Dec 6, 2012 22:25:33 GMT -5
4th string quarterback
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Post by jioh on Dec 6, 2012 22:41:17 GMT -5
I like all the recent signings and look forward to more, but a couple of weeks ago part of me was thinking it might be fun and useful to really give serious major league at bats or starts to Kalish, Sands, Iglesias and maybe Linares as well as Dubront, Morales and De La Rosa, then late in the year Bradley, Brentz and Webster and some RPs. Winning 73 games and being interesting and bringing back young veterans for 2014 might have been enough for me. But not for everyone.
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Post by lasershow07 on Dec 6, 2012 23:01:29 GMT -5
Kalish has been a personal favorite of mine for a while now. It's really unfortunate that he's had to deal with so many injuries. He might be a little bit out of the picture right now but he's still an asset to this team. Hopefully he can stay healthy and on the field in 2013.
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Post by Pete Morrison on Dec 6, 2012 23:44:11 GMT -5
Kalish is certainly a prospect I am rooting for. I think that Chris is right on here though. He has missed so much time he needs to re-establish himself before he is given a 25-man roster spot. Have him bat 2nd in AAA and get a high volume of ABs and reps in the OF and potentially at 1B as well to increase his versatility. Even if he doesn't start the season on the roster he will be up at some point.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Dec 7, 2012 8:21:03 GMT -5
I've been a HUGE fan of Ryan Kalish for a long time.
I remember him fondly in Greenville as a player who really stood out. I saw him many times in that town, but the 1st time I saw him was in Kannapolis. The players were walking out of the club-house down the left-field line, and here comes a player who just looked like a player. He exuded confidence and he played that day with a lot of energy and success. Made all the plays in right, showed a solid arm, hustled on each play, and had two ropes for hits.
Even then, Kalish looked like a future major-leaguer. I've followed his career very closely and caught him in Charlotte (NC). Injuries are the only thing that has held him back from being a very solid addition to our line-up in Boston.
This year is big for him. He is getting to an age where he HAS to show his talents on a consistent basis or become an after-thought. I always have my doubts when a player is 26 or older and hasn't made his mark.
With that said, I really want him to have the opportunity this spring to show he is healthy. I think it is a GREAT idea for him to play 1st base some. We are actively looking for a player who bats left-handed, can play the outfield, and 1st base.
Several of my fellow posters have mentioned, understandably, platooning Gomes with Daniel Nava in left-field. May work just fine......but I'd love the 25 year-old Kalish, with MUCH more potential, to take that job and also be a possibility for 1st base when Napoli is behind the plate or when he needs a break.
For sure, Pawtucket is probably where he will start out. I just hope he comes to Ft Myers, once and for all, very healthy and really opens everyone's eyes big.
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Post by charliezink16 on Dec 7, 2012 10:41:55 GMT -5
Kalish is one of my favorite players. His combination of speed, power, and patience at the plate make him a fun player to watch. With that being said, he missed all last season due to injury, missed the entire offseason and some of the 2012 season following surgery. Was shutdown in mid September, then this came up last week: "OF Ryan Kalish (shoulder) said his shoulder is nearly back to normal, after spending the last few months in Boston working with strength coach Mike Boyle and therapist Dan Dyrek on regaining his athleticism."
It's unfortunate that his offseason developmental time is being allocated towards recovery. He really needs to get back to full strength quick, because as Steve said, this is what I look at as a make or break year for him. He will be 25 on opening day, but more importantly...is burning his final option in 2013, so this is his year to prove something.
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 7, 2012 11:19:15 GMT -5
Zach Daeges redux?
The inuries had to be incredibly extensive and severe given the number of surgeries, recovery time, rehab etc. and he is still not fully back physically. Will they and the process of treatment operate to diminish Kalish's abilities short and long term??
At this point, I can't see him in the playing equation at the MLB level for this season. If he can handle it physically, give him 500 ABs at AAA. Anything beyond that I think falls into the category of 'wishin' & hopin'.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2012 13:29:21 GMT -5
All of these posts prove that Kalish is a fan favorite for many people. He may need a bit more time in Triple-A to get to full health and strength. He does have to prove something though with only one option remaining. When he comes up from Triple-A next year, hopefully, it will be the last time that he will be called up. Hopefully, he will be in full health and have full strength and will stick around as very productive player in the big leagues, maybe as an every day player.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 7, 2012 14:54:13 GMT -5
As many have said, Kalish's role in 2013 is in Pawtucket. He needs to make a full season without getting injured.
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Post by welovewally on Dec 8, 2012 5:25:44 GMT -5
I think his role is very defined right now. He comes to spring training with the opportunity to impress the powers that be that he is ready to be a complete Major League Player both offensively & defensively or at the very least be a bench/platoon player. If its the latter the team will have to decide if its best for the team to keep him on the Major League Roster or somebody else.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 8, 2012 9:08:04 GMT -5
Kalish's roll in 2013 is to do something with his career that doesn't make me sad.
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Post by larrycook on Dec 8, 2012 10:16:02 GMT -5
The Pawtucket outfield is looking a bit crowded,
I hope Kalish stays healthy and gets lots of at bats and has success early, because I am predicting Bradley to be the first of the talented youngsters at Portland to be promoted, probably by early June and that would eat into all the Pawtucket outfielders at bats.
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Post by sibbysisti on Dec 8, 2012 10:48:03 GMT -5
He needs to go to Triple-A and prove that he can stay healthy and be productive when he is so. After two years of injury, they can't count on him for anything yet. ^ This. Don't understand why so many Kalish fans are willing to guarantee him a spot on the opening day roster.
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Post by jmei on Dec 8, 2012 11:12:48 GMT -5
If he's healthy and performing well by mid-May, he'll probably be promoted to be the fourth outfielder in Boston. As a lefty hitter with a little speed who can backup all three OF positions and has upside, he seems ideal for that role.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Dec 8, 2012 11:22:13 GMT -5
If he's healthy and performing well by mid-May, he'll probably be promoted to be the fourth outfielder in Boston. As a lefty hitter with a little speed who can backup all three OF positions and has upside, he seems ideal for that role. No one, on here, has advocated giving Ryan Kalish a roster spot. But his talents and versatility would have a very positive effect on the team we will assemble. I have nothing but respect for what Daniel Nava has done for the Red Sox, but there is no comparison between him and what Kalish can add. Higher OBP? Maybe. But that is it. But let me say it again, if he is NOT 100%, he begins in AAA. But if Ryan Kalish can FINALLY establish himself in the majors this year, it will be BIG for Red Sox Nation.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 8, 2012 12:50:42 GMT -5
He needs to not get hurt. He needs to stand out in camp. If he does those 2 things he will earn the 4th Outfielders spot and break camp with the Big League Club. If he doesn't do those 2 things it's back to AAA & try to be the one who is ready when Boston is in need of an OF.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 8, 2012 16:58:53 GMT -5
If he's healthy and performing well by mid-May, he'll probably be promoted to be the fourth outfielder in Boston. As a lefty hitter with a little speed who can backup all three OF positions and has upside, he seems ideal for that role. No one, on here, has advocated giving Ryan Kalish a roster spot. But his talents and versatility would have a very positive effect on the team we will assemble. I have nothing but respect for what Daniel Nava has done for the Red Sox, but there is no comparison between him and what Kalish can add. Higher OBP? Maybe. But that is it. But let me say it again, if he is NOT 100%, he begins in AAA. But if Ryan Kalish can FINALLY establish himself in the majors this year, it will be BIG for Red Sox Nation. FWIW, you're correct that nobody in here has, but I've seen him suggested as at least a platoon parter in the outfield in other places on the board, and certainly moreso in the media that he would start in Boston. I agree with some here that he coud be up midseason if he performs well, although, as always, that would depend on the opportunity opening up as well. For me, "show he's healthy" doesn't necessarily mean stay healthy for a whole year, but rather demonstrate that the shoulder injury that has nagged at him for two years is completely healthy by going out and performing for, say, a month or two without any recurrences, and with the docs signing off on him being healthy again. However, the Sox can't count on that happening is the problem.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 9, 2012 11:43:05 GMT -5
No one, on here, has advocated giving Ryan Kalish a roster spot. But his talents and versatility would have a very positive effect on the team we will assemble. I have nothing but respect for what Daniel Nava has done for the Red Sox, but there is no comparison between him and what Kalish can add. Higher OBP? Maybe. But that is it. But let me say it again, if he is NOT 100%, he begins in AAA. But if Ryan Kalish can FINALLY establish himself in the majors this year, it will be BIG for Red Sox Nation. FWIW, you're correct that nobody in here has, but I've seen him suggested as at least a platoon parter in the outfield in other places on the board, and certainly moreso in the media that he would start in Boston. I agree with some here that he coud be up midseason if he performs well, although, as always, that would depend on the opportunity opening up as well. For me, "show he's healthy" doesn't necessarily mean stay healthy for a whole year, but rather demonstrate that the shoulder injury that has nagged at him for two years is completely healthy by going out and performing for, say, a month or two without any recurrences, and with the docs signing off on him being healthy again. However, the Sox can't count on that happening is the problem. Hatfield is very diplomatic. Many of us would love to see Kalish in the Sox outfield. We're just afraid to say his name out loud. Just a kneejerk reaction since he seemed to get hurt whenever we got excited about his potential. Maybe this year... Coming to you from the great northwest
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Post by station13 on Dec 9, 2012 12:07:52 GMT -5
One would wonder how much of an impact all these injuries would affect Kalish down the road. Usually it isn't a good sign for young players to go through that much.
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Post by ray88h66 on Dec 9, 2012 15:30:25 GMT -5
I think he needs to show his injuries haven't permenantly weakened his throwing. His arm wasn't good enough for RF in Fenway last year.
On his role, AAA depth.
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