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Post by pokeefe363 on Sept 26, 2015 15:55:46 GMT -5
He was released today by he Dodgers. Peripheral statistics suggest his off-year was the product of bad luck. Sounds like a good buy-low candidate as a former borderline ace who's online 27.
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Post by nomar on Sept 26, 2015 16:17:02 GMT -5
He was released today by he Dodgers. Peripheral statistics suggest his off-year was the product of bad luck. Sounds like a good buy-low candidate as a former borderline ace who's online 27. He must be pretty bad in the clubhouse for teams to keep readily getting rid of him.
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Post by telson13 on Sept 26, 2015 20:59:15 GMT -5
That would be my concern: that his awful performance, at 27, may not fully explain an outright release from a playoff team. He's been, at best, a good #3/passable 2, *definitely not* an "ace", or a 1a, or anything close. Nuke Laloosh million-dollar arm and five-cent head.
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Post by mredsox89 on Sept 26, 2015 21:09:30 GMT -5
The "problem?" is that the Sox already have 3-5+ guys seemingly ready for the 4/5 spots in the rotation. Sure, competition can't hurt, but there is already a backlog for the back half of the rotation, unless one or more potential starters get traded for a #1 guy.
Sure, well worth a flier, but would the Sox/people here prefer him on a flier over Wright/Owens/Kelly/etc at the back end?
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Post by blizzards39 on Sept 26, 2015 22:34:31 GMT -5
He was released today by he Dodgers. Peripheral statistics suggest his off-year was the product of bad luck. Sounds like a good buy-low candidate as a former borderline ace who's online 27. I don't want anymore buy low type pitchers. We need at least one spend ridiculous (either $$ or prospects)and hope he dosnt fizzle to early. To be honest Id offer Price 7/32 8/30. Who cares is the last 2-4 years are bad. Are payroll is big enough to absorb some of those.
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Post by larrycook on Sept 26, 2015 23:23:55 GMT -5
He was released today by he Dodgers. Peripheral statistics suggest his off-year was the product of bad luck. Sounds like a good buy-low candidate as a former borderline ace who's online 27. History tells us you can never have enough pitching. If he does not destroy the clubhouse, why not take a shot.
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Post by gerry on Sept 27, 2015 3:17:13 GMT -5
He was released today by he Dodgers. Peripheral statistics suggest his off-year was the product of bad luck. Sounds like a good buy-low candidate as a former borderline ace who's online 27. History tells us you can never have enough pitching. If he does not destroy the clubhouse, why not take a shot. Released becor the pstseasom? Bring him aboard with a smack upside the head saying you want to play cut the crapmrigjt now or be gone. Hqving a solid player wake up on your watch can be a beautiful thiing. Up to you dude. Pitch and get paid or be an AH and begone.
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Post by gerry on Sept 27, 2015 3:31:42 GMT -5
History tells us you can never have enough pitching. If he does not destroy the clubhouse, why not take a shot. Released becor the pstseasom? Bring him aboard with a smack upside the head saying you want to play, cut the crap right now or be gone. Having a solid player wake up on your watch can be a beautiful thiing. Up to you dude. Pitch and get paid or be an AH and be elsewhere. Simple. Ahh, Sat nite, supermoon & eclipse pending, Jamesons and good friends, much like baseball. Not much to think about other than Red Sox & future. Pick up good pitcbing, shed as needed. Seems smart.
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Post by nomar on Sept 27, 2015 9:50:19 GMT -5
I don't think he's the type of risk we're in a position to assume or allocate a rotation spot to. We need a frontline guy, not someone who's unlikely to be more valuable than Miley or ERod.
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Post by sdiaz1 on Sept 27, 2015 10:47:51 GMT -5
I don't think he's the type of risk we're in a position to assume or allocate a rotation spot to. We need a frontline guy, not someone who's unlikely to be more valuable than Miley or ERod. Now this is quite an over exaggeration. The guy was worth 14 B-WAR and 18.8 F-WAR before his 27th birthday, had a terrible age 27 season (though as mentioned above his peripherals were better than the stat line demonstrated by a well above average 3.55 FIP). He was never quite as good as some billed him to be (borderline ace is more than over generous) but he is a quality number three. How can Miley who has a 3 year AVG FIP of 4.00 and walks a batter more per 9 while striking out roughly one less per 9 and who is a year older be reasonably expected to match the upside of a guy who is has a 3.42 career FIP and 3 year average in the same zip code? Lastly, while it is in the realm of possible outcomes for E-Rod to be better than that next year, it is also just as likely that he is not. I am a huge fan of the kid, but he is only going to be 23 next season. If Rodriguez can pitch a full season with a FIP in the mid threes that will be a huge accomplishment and it is not a criticism to say that expecting him to do so at 23 is a bit lofty. The bottom line is that at the moment our rotation will be an Acquisition, Buch, Porcello, Miley, E-Rod, and Miley. Latos can reasonably be projected to be better than on of those guys (Miley) can help provide depth in case of injury (Buch) and also will make it easier to swallow if we need to trade either Owens or Miley in a deal to acquire a second front line SP or a first basemen.
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Post by nomar on Sept 27, 2015 11:03:59 GMT -5
100 and 112 IP in the last two seasons.
Good peripherals, not too old, but still gets released. He's definitely not a great influence in the clubhouse, otherwise GMs would;t cut bait like they have.
I would expect his K/9 to take a hit and his fly ball tendencies aren't going to help him in Boston.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Sept 27, 2015 11:14:16 GMT -5
Latos has had significant makeup issues dating back to when he was a prospect for SD. I wouldn't touch him.
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Post by sdiaz1 on Sept 27, 2015 14:36:19 GMT -5
Latos has had significant makeup issues dating back to when he was a prospect for SD. I wouldn't touch him. Can you add a link to corroborate this? I do believe you; but there are all sorts of makeup issues. Jeff Kent, Manny Machado, John lackey & Jon Papelbon all had or have makeup issues. Then there are makeup issues like those of Jon Denney and Cody Kukuk. I would like to know what variety of makeup issues that you are using to dismiss a guy who was almost worth 4 WAR/200 IP for a stretch that was not too long ago.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 27, 2015 15:19:09 GMT -5
Latos has had significant makeup issues dating back to when he was a prospect for SD. I wouldn't touch him. Can you add a link to corroborate this? I do believe you; but there are all sorts of makeup issues. Jeff Kent, Manny Machado, John lackey & Jon Papelbon all had or have makeup issues. Then there are makeup issues like those of Jon Denney and Cody Kukuk. I would like to know what variety of makeup issues that you are using to dismiss a guy who was almost worth 4 WAR/200 IP for a stretch that was not too long ago. Here's a recent one. This is his 4th team in 5 years. mlb.nbcsports.com/2015/09/04/dodgers-are-already-fed-up-with-6-56-era-pitching-excuse-making-mat-latos/This article from early in his career seems to be pretty balanced and spells out his attitude issues pretty well. sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5460639It's definitely not made up.
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Post by artfuldodger on Sept 27, 2015 15:28:04 GMT -5
Good citatis. I was thinking about Lackey comparison. I am now convinced the Red Sox should stay away from Latos.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 27, 2015 16:33:43 GMT -5
100 and 112 IP in the last two seasons. Good peripherals, not too old, but still gets released. He's definitely not a great influence in the clubhouse, otherwise GMs would;t cut bait like they have. I would expect his K/9 to take a hit and his fly ball tendencies aren't going to help him in Boston. I wouldn't worry too much, about that. He won't be coming to Boston.
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Post by prangerx on Sept 27, 2015 17:52:39 GMT -5
He was actually on my wishlist for most of the year. I would stilly to see him brought in as a reclamation product. If we could somehow convince him to pitch out of the pen, he could be a nice weapon in the bullpen.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 27, 2015 21:09:35 GMT -5
Don't remember watching a single game he threw with the Dodgers, but his games with the Fish many weren't exactly pretty. He was trying to kind of reinvent himself this season it looked like. A fork ball type of pitch he has come up with, that didn't always work as planned, though did have hitters off balance. His FB isn't nearly as good as it was. Looked on FG site just before this post and they have it at 91.5. I'm shocked by that as an avg. It seemed like he was sitting 90-91mph most games. Maybe hitting 92-3 when he'd reach back. NOT the latos from Cincy days a few years back, except for around the waist.
If a team could get him to winterball (right-0) to work more on his fork ball and get it more consistent, then maybe as a long guy, 6th man type. He's not anything more IMO any longer.
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Post by pokeefe363 on Sept 28, 2015 12:38:30 GMT -5
I'm not saying he's better than Jon Lester (because he's definitely not), but he does have a lower ERA, lower FIP, higher K/9 ratio for his career and we called Lester an ace. I think because of this rough year and the fact that Latos seems like an asshole is causing some of y'all to underrate him a bit.
The guy had seasons of under 3.5 ERA for 5 consecutive years before 2015. If he's too much of a clubhouse risk that's one thing, but I'd bet a team like the Pirates will sign him and have a cheap #2 starter on their hands. If he pitches to his career norms, he would be better than anything we have right now (aside from a healthy Buchholz). His peripherals suggest that he had some bad luck and bad defense this year aside from just pitching poorly.
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 29, 2015 8:11:17 GMT -5
Picked up by Anaheim. Not eligible for post season, but could give it a one start boost.
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