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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2015 23:29:31 GMT -5
Wade Davis is the latest, best proof that the best closer of three years from now is just someone who hasn't been demoted from the starting rotation yet. Agreed. And his name is Joe Kelly.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 23, 2015 23:31:56 GMT -5
Wade Davis is the latest, best proof that the best closer of three years from now is just someone who hasn't been demoted from the starting rotation yet. Agreed. And his name is Joe Kelly. Please no, I can't take 2 more years of Cy Kelly.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 24, 2015 0:31:33 GMT -5
That was such an exciting game. I was thinking whichever team lost - their fans would be in pain.
Either the Royals for blowing a 3-1 lead in the 8th, messing up a chance to put the game away in the last of the 8th and then blowing the game in the 9th.
Or the Jays for blowing an excellent chance to tie or win the game in the 9th with a runner on 3b and no outs.
As it turned out, it's the Jays. They put a lot into this season and I suspect that this might have been their best opportunity. Price isn't coming back and they're not a particularly young team. They had a team that could have or should have went all the way this year. They were the best team in baseball, in my opinion.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 24, 2015 0:33:22 GMT -5
And given how much of a mystery Cueto has been I'm sure a lot of KC fans are relieved they didn't have to rely on him for Game 7, even though he came thru in an elimination game 5 of the ALDS.
And I say this as somebody who still likes Cueto as a free agent target, although I don't think the Sox will go in his direction. (FWIW Frank Pimiental seems to think that Zimmerman is the target for the Red Sox this offseason)
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Post by p23w on Oct 24, 2015 8:03:59 GMT -5
Meh. He has had poor command every time out in this series. Can't locate his off speed pitches and has poor command of his FB. Throws a nice low strike at the knees for strike one to Bautista and follows that up with a meatball in Jose's wheel house. Madson wasn't fooling anybody. Use him in the 8th at your own risk.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 24, 2015 10:57:56 GMT -5
We're all rooting for the Royals here right?
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Post by ray88h66 on Oct 24, 2015 12:11:38 GMT -5
We're all rooting for the Royals here right? I am. But I'm guessing some sabermetric folks are rooting against KC. Not so much for the Mets, but a " clueless Yost" .
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Post by soxfanatic on Oct 24, 2015 12:18:25 GMT -5
I'm rooting for the Mets. You just have to love that starting pitching.
Plus Bartolo
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Post by ray88h66 on Oct 24, 2015 12:23:08 GMT -5
I'm rooting for the Mets. You just have to love that starting pitching. Plus Bartolo Fair enough. The starting pitching is great. Having my young son cry on my knee watching the 86 crime, has soured my judgement.
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Post by burythehammer on Oct 24, 2015 13:23:57 GMT -5
Good point by Theo quoted in 108 Stitches today. Man, I miss Theo.
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Post by ray88h66 on Oct 24, 2015 14:30:25 GMT -5
I like Chicago. Only thing I don't like is the traffic. I lived in Minneapolis for 20 years, after moving from Boston. Went down to chi town many times to see the Sox play. One time we stayed downtown. Went up to see Wrigley. Dressed in full Red Sox gear. my bro, buddy , and myself asked a couple of guys how to get to the south side on public transportation. We had tickets for the Red Sox /White Sox game. They said you don't need directions, we'll drive you down. They wouldn't take gas money, just said they hoped we lost. Red Sox fans can have tunnel vision. I remember being in the stands the night Mickey Rivers got hit by a battery. The stuff thrown at him at Fenway paled to the words tossed at him. Go Cubs. Didn't Rivers also get hit in the head with a bolt at Fenway? It's pretty sad the nonsense that was permitted to go on. History can't carry us far enough away from terrible ownership groups headed by despicable people like the Yawkeys and the Schotts. Sorry to be so late Django, I don't remember him being hit in the head.
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Post by jimoh on Oct 24, 2015 19:45:14 GMT -5
Didn't Rivers also get hit in the head with a bolt at Fenway? It's pretty sad the nonsense that was permitted to go on. History can't carry us far enough away from terrible ownership groups headed by despicable people like the Yawkeys and the Schotts. Sorry to be so late Django, I don't remember him being hit in the head. This story mentions lots of large lead bolts being thrown, but not that Rivers was hit news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1982&dat=19770618&id=2xxgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Gm4NAAAAIBAJ&pg=1575,3422049&hl=en
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 25, 2015 9:13:53 GMT -5
I'm rooting for the Mets. You just have to love that starting pitching. Plus Bartolo Fair enough. The starting pitching is great. Having my young son cry on my knee watching the 86 crime, has soured my judgement. I cried in 86 at age 15. I'm probably not watching. Don't want either team to win.
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Post by gerry on Oct 25, 2015 11:17:53 GMT -5
Django, those were awful days. The attitudes of the Yawkeys were no different from those of the patrons in the seats or people who ran city halls, corporations, universities and schools from New England to Miami, D.C. To L.A., Chicago to Phoenix. Most of Tom Yawkey's contemporaries, from his native South to his adopted Boston, including his doctors, dentist, mailman, barber, milkman, grocer, mechanic, etc. shared his views. I remember a St.Patrick's Day parade in Southie, shortly after JFK's assasination. The NAACP had 'float' dominated by a huge picture of JFK. As the float came down Broadway, flanked by priests and nuns, white and black (the Catholic Church was a leader in the Civil Rights movement, though many of its clergy were still striving to trd themselves of the racism they inherited), the same guys who filled the seats at Fenway and the Garden threw rocks and bottles at the picture and marchers. It was awful and it shaped my life. After some soul-searching I moved away, immersing myself in such causes, only to find the same attitudes wherever I went; perhaps stronger, towards hispanics and Native Americans in the Southwest and Miami, towards Hispanics and Asians in the West. My biggest surprise was that instituional racism infects all races. A Chinese family would disown a daughter who married anyone not Chinese; Mexican and African Americans hated each other; the list is endless. This was why the focus of the Civil Rights movement was to enforce laws of equality including voting, education, employment. Racism is learned and runs deep. IMO Tom Yawkey's racist views were despicable, but they were very little different from the despicable racism of most in the area, of most races towards other races, of most of the nation. The Yawkeys were not unique. They were closer to the norms of the day. They can be blamed for being so slow to adopt change, but not for being THE racist leadersof Boston. He wasn't. You can find THEM in the archives of the State House, City Halls, Colleges and Universities, Medical Centers, Civic and fraternal organizations. Fortunately, those days are over now, sorta, and we still have Fenway and the Sox, first loves of the Yawkeys, and the fans who still attend games and still tell jokes they shouldn't, but still don't know why they shouldn't. Can't blame that on the Yawkeys for that. We can blame ourselves, perhaps.
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Post by thursty on Oct 25, 2015 13:32:33 GMT -5
What do the Blue Jays do with Ryan Goins? Tulo isn't moving and Devon Travis was the early leader for ROY before injured. He was the best defensive 2B I saw all year and can play SS well; not much of a hitter, but there some signs of improvement
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Post by humanbeingbean on Oct 25, 2015 14:06:41 GMT -5
I'm not one to complain about there being a lack of "big market" teams in the WS, and I'll most certainly be watching the games, but I wonder how this matchup will affect viewership among casual fans. I don't think a Royals-Mets series is going to catch the eye of an otherwise uninterested fan.
I think the Royals' "keep the line moving" approach against the Mets' fireballers will be one of the most intriguing Series in recent memory, but it's a shame that it likely won't draw as much interest as say, a Yankees-Dodgers would've. It's an interesting dynamic for MLB: we're achieving a time of great parity and equality in competition, where any team can win, but that also means the big market teams could fall out early and often, and it's most certainly going to have some adverse effects on TV viewership.
Anyone else share similar concerns? It's such a breath of fresh air to see some new teams in the WS, but I really hope viewership doesn't wane compared to years past.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 25, 2015 14:24:49 GMT -5
I'm not one to complain about there being a lack of "big market" teams in the WS, and I'll most certainly be watching the games, but I wonder how this matchup will affect viewership among casual fans. I don't think a Royals-Mets series is going to catch the eye of an otherwise uninterested fan. I think the Royals' "keep the line moving" approach against the Mets' fireballers will be one of the most intriguing Series in recent memory, but it's a shame that it likely won't draw as much interest as say, a Yankees-Dodgers would've. It's an interesting dynamic for MLB: we're achieving a time of great parity and equality in competition, where any team can win, but that also means the big market teams could fall out early and often, and it's most certainly going to have some adverse effects on TV viewership. Anyone else share similar concerns? It's such a breath of fresh air to see some new teams in the WS, but I really hope viewership doesn't wane compared to years past. They probably do a lot better with ratings and attendance overall having most teams in contention for most of the season due to parity.
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Post by raindelay on Oct 25, 2015 15:23:57 GMT -5
Django, those were awful days. The attitudes of the Yawkeys were no different from those of the patrons in the seats or people who ran city halls, corporations, universities and schools from New England to Miami, D.C. To L.A., Chicago to Phoenix. Most of Tom Yawkey's contemporaries, from his native South to his adopted Boston, including his doctors, dentist, mailman, barber, milkman, grocer, mechanic, etc. shared his views. I remember a St.Patrick's Day parade in Southie, shortly after JFK's assasination. The NAACP had 'float' dominated by a huge picture of JFK. As the float came down Broadway, flanked by priests and nuns, white and black (the Catholic Church was a leader in the Civil Rights movement, though many of its clergy were still striving to trd themselves of the racism they inherited), the same guys who filled the seats at Fenway and the Garden threw rocks and bottles at the picture and marchers. It was awful and it shaped my life. After some soul-searching I moved away, immersing myself in such causes, only to find the same attitudes wherever I went; perhaps stronger, towards hispanics and Native Americans in the Southwest and Miami, towards Hispanics and Asians in the West. My biggest surprise was that instituional racism infects all races. A Chinese family would disown a daughter who married anyone not Chinese; Mexican and African Americans hated each other; the list is endless. This was why the focus of the Civil Rights movement was to enforce laws of equality including voting, education, employment. Racism is learned and runs deep. IMO Tom Yawkey's racist views were despicable, but they were very little different from the despicable racism of most in the area, of most races towards other races, of most of the nation. The Yawkeys were not unique. They were closer to the norms of the day. They can be blamed for being so slow to adopt change, but not for being THE racist leadersof Boston. He wasn't. You can find THEM in the archives of the State House, City Halls, Colleges and Universities, Medical Centers, Civic and fraternal organizations. Fortunately, those days are over now, sorta, and we still have Fenway and the Sox, first loves of the Yawkeys, and the fans who still attend games and still tell jokes they shouldn't, but still don't know why they shouldn't. Can't blame that on the Yawkeys for that. We can blame ourselves, perhaps.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 25, 2015 15:50:14 GMT -5
I'm not one to complain about there being a lack of "big market" teams in the WS, and I'll most certainly be watching the games, but I wonder how this matchup will affect viewership among casual fans. I don't think a Royals-Mets series is going to catch the eye of an otherwise uninterested fan. I think the Royals' "keep the line moving" approach against the Mets' fireballers will be one of the most intriguing Series in recent memory, but it's a shame that it likely won't draw as much interest as say, a Yankees-Dodgers would've. It's an interesting dynamic for MLB: we're achieving a time of great parity and equality in competition, where any team can win, but that also means the big market teams could fall out early and often, and it's most certainly going to have some adverse effects on TV viewership. Anyone else share similar concerns? It's such a breath of fresh air to see some new teams in the WS, but I really hope viewership doesn't wane compared to years past. I know you're not only talking about this series, but the Mets are hardly a small market team. The Royals are, but they also have an highly energized fanbase and they're a fun team that'ss been in the national spotlight for a while now. I suspect this WS is going to do just fine on ratings.
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Post by humanbeingbean on Oct 25, 2015 17:30:59 GMT -5
I'm not one to complain about there being a lack of "big market" teams in the WS, and I'll most certainly be watching the games, but I wonder how this matchup will affect viewership among casual fans. I don't think a Royals-Mets series is going to catch the eye of an otherwise uninterested fan. I think the Royals' "keep the line moving" approach against the Mets' fireballers will be one of the most intriguing Series in recent memory, but it's a shame that it likely won't draw as much interest as say, a Yankees-Dodgers would've. It's an interesting dynamic for MLB: we're achieving a time of great parity and equality in competition, where any team can win, but that also means the big market teams could fall out early and often, and it's most certainly going to have some adverse effects on TV viewership. Anyone else share similar concerns? It's such a breath of fresh air to see some new teams in the WS, but I really hope viewership doesn't wane compared to years past. I know you're not only talking about this series, but the Mets are hardly a small market team. The Royals are, but they also have an highly energized fanbase and they're a fun team that'ss been in the national spotlight for a while now. I suspect this WS is going to do just fine on ratings. Yeah, I know the Mets definitely aren't "small market" like the Rays are, but it isn't your typical Goliath versus Goliath matchup. I personally love the parity and I'm excited for this series, but I just wonder how parity will affect viewership if, say, the Brewers and Rays square off next year (as unlikely as that is, but still). I don't want any changes to be made at all, but still, it's interesting to think about nonetheless.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 26, 2015 22:12:07 GMT -5
We're all rooting for the Royals here right? I am. But I'm guessing some sabermetric folks are rooting against KC. Not so much for the Mets, but a " clueless Yost" . The Royals fans felt that, because their players had "brought baseball back to KC," every one of them deserved to be an All-Star as a reward, even as they acknowledged that they weren't All-Star caliber players, or, in the case of Infante, even any f'ing good. Seriously. Since I'm looking forward to having only a fair and just number of Royals in next year's All-Star Game, as opposed to three times as many as they deserve, there's no way I can root for that team. This, I think, is the first case of a team's fans turning obnoxious even before they won a WS. Karma would decree they keep on waiting. The Mets, meanwhile, were the semi-lifelong love (succeeding the Dodgers) of my Dad's best friend in retirement in Florida. My Dad passed in '04 (day before the playoffs started) and subsequently, Phil became my sole source of stories about baseball in the 30's through 50's and arguments about today's game versus the way it used to be. His picture, I believe, is now in the dictionary next to "mensch." He passed in January of '14, but that's recently enough for me to root fairly hard for the Mets to win it in his memory. Yost, meanwhile, has done a much smarter job tactically this post-season than last.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 27, 2015 19:20:01 GMT -5
I was about to post that the Mets should definitely be starting Lagares in center and DH either Cespedes or (more likely) Conforto. I didn't expect it to make a big difference so soon.
EDIT: Excited to see the NY tabloids blame that homer on Harvey's ego for starting Escobar with a fastball.
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Post by jmei on Oct 27, 2015 19:40:10 GMT -5
Esky magic baby.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 27, 2015 20:08:33 GMT -5
The DirectTV NFL Sunday ticket ad campaign has been by far the worst thing about the playoffs.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 27, 2015 21:00:29 GMT -5
So what is the point of Harold Reynolds? Tim McCarver would get on my nerves sometimes, but he had a well-earned reputation for being able to explain the game in fairly simple terms using flowery languange. His biggest problem in the last 10 years or so was that a) he got old and b) he really didn't have much chemistry with Joe Buck. Both are forgivable. Reynolds, though, doesn't have anything near the poetic delivery of McCarver and his descriptions of what is going and the strategy being used are often confusing and even self-contradictory. He's really a terrible analyst.
EDIT: Does anyone on this forum like Reynolds? That's not a rhetorical question - I'm legitimately interested and I won't judge or mock or anything. This forum has a pretty great group of posters who enjoy the game in a variety of different ways and I'm honestly wondering if there is some appeal to him that I am missing.
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